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| Asa Whillock 2006-01-30, 5:46 pm |
| Hi All,
I'll make an important note known about the profile system that's coming
in Dynamo. Steve Wolkoff outlined the profiles that are being officially
released with Dynamo, however the system is built to make adding
profiles very easy. If it's determined that another profile setting is
in demand by our users, and the powers that be bless, then it won't take
another release of the server to create. All that has to happen is
another profile file is generated and posted on MM/Adobe for download.
So, if you feel that there should be another profile option available
other than the three listed, please do give feedback on this list and to
Steve Wolkoff - who reads this list religiously anyway. Usual legal
mumbo jumbo applies about what I can say, but we designed this system so
that we didn't end up with a long wait between feedback and being able
to make the licensing reflect that feedback.
Hope that helps,
Asa
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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] sometimes it makes me angry - licensing rant
> So living purely in the Professional edition world of fantasy profiles
for=20
> a moment, there would be value in more profiles, and depending on
While we're fantasizing about profiles, what would be far better
would=20
be a single license that works on a sliding scale, like this:
Bandwidth 10---------------|---------------Unlimited
Connections 10---------------|---------------Unlimited
You drag the bandwidth slider to the right, and the connections
slider=20
goes to the left proportionally. With both sliders in the middle, you
get=20
the "normal" pro license (2500 connections/25mb), with any variation in=20
either direction you want. Then, stacking licenses just adds to the
values=20
for each, so with 2 licenses and the sliders right in the middle it
would be=20
5k connections/50mb. Then you could fine-tune your server to your=20
applications' needs and everyone would be happy.
> It's like Adobe is "leaving money on the table."
>
I actually think that they took the short money instead of waiting
for=20
the long money. I think a lot of it has to do with partnerships they
made=20
with CDNs and Comm Server service providers that gave them money up
front,=20
and in order to maintain that partnership, they have to keep the cost of
entry at a certain level so that the partners can stay profitable. I
think=20
it was a short-sighted way to do it, but who knows, maybe they needed
the=20
money to get Flash 8, Flex2, FMS 2, etc, out on time before the merger.
I'm=20
sure there is a reason for it, I just can't know if it was a good
decision=20
or a bad decision because I don't know the details. But from the
outside, it=20
seems like a bad decision to me.
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| GatorEye 2006-01-31, 2:45 am |
| Steve & Adobe Decision Makers,
Here is my request, plain and simple.
UNLIMITED Bandwidth/UNLIMITED Connections
Thanks,
GatorEye
RE:
Hi All,
.....So, if you feel that there should be another profile option
available other than the three listed, please do give feedback on this
list and to Steve Wolkoff - who reads this list religiously anyway.
Usual legal mumbo jumbo applies about what I can say, but we designed
this system so that we didn't end up with a long wait between feedback
and being able to make the licensing reflect that feedback.
Hope that helps,
Asa
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| > UNLIMITED Bandwidth/UNLIMITED Connections
>
Realistically, that's not going to happen, not for $4500. Frankly, $4500
isn't that much for a server; at my current day job we have *much* more
expensive servers for things like session management across a server farm
and the like. So the price tag, while a bit steep for independant
contractors to buy for themselves (which could be solved by a personal
edition license, of course), isn't bad for even startup companies if they
have a good business plan. A $5k spend isn't difficult to justify if there
is a return on the horizon. The problem is the lack of flexibility in the
license, which, hopefully, they will be addressing with new profiles. So, to
be clear, I'm not complaining about the price tag or even the currently
proposed profiles, my complaint is simply that the profiles don't extend far
enough towards the low-bandwidth/high-connection app side of the market.
My other complaint is that, at 10 times the cost, why are there caps on
the Origin/Edge servers at all? I mean, 10 pro licenses would buy you 2.5
gigabits and 25k concurrent connections, which the same as unlimited in
practical terms, so it seems disproportionate to have a 5k connection cap on
the Origin license. What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin
license?
ryanm
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| Graeme Bull 2006-01-31, 6:03 pm |
| >What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin license?
To get more money of course.
Graeme
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:01 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] A note about the profile system
> UNLIMITED Bandwidth/UNLIMITED Connections
>
Realistically, that's not going to happen, not for $4500. Frankly, $4500
isn't that much for a server; at my current day job we have *much* more
expensive servers for things like session management across a server farm
and the like. So the price tag, while a bit steep for independant
contractors to buy for themselves (which could be solved by a personal
edition license, of course), isn't bad for even startup companies if they
have a good business plan. A $5k spend isn't difficult to justify if there
is a return on the horizon. The problem is the lack of flexibility in the
license, which, hopefully, they will be addressing with new profiles. So, to
be clear, I'm not complaining about the price tag or even the currently
proposed profiles, my complaint is simply that the profiles don't extend far
enough towards the low-bandwidth/high-connection app side of the market.
My other complaint is that, at 10 times the cost, why are there caps on
the Origin/Edge servers at all? I mean, 10 pro licenses would buy you 2.5
gigabits and 25k concurrent connections, which the same as unlimited in
practical terms, so it seems disproportionate to have a 5k connection cap on
the Origin license. What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin
license?
ryanm
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| Naicu Octavian 2006-01-31, 6:03 pm |
| >What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin license?=20
Well, the original Pro edition had only 100 connections! Do you see the r=
ationale in that either!? 
Graeme Bull <graeme.bull-lB/6vUJvybQOPmVbiNFCMNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote: >What is the rational=
e behind the cap on the Origin license?=20
To get more money of course.
Graeme
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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of ryanm
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:01 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] A note about the profile system
> UNLIMITED Bandwidth/UNLIMITED Connections
>
Realistically, that's not going to happen, not for $4500. Frankly, $4=
500
isn't that much for a server; at my current day job we have *much* more
expensive servers for things like session management across a server farm
and the like. So the price tag, while a bit steep for independant
contractors to buy for themselves (which could be solved by a personal
edition license, of course), isn't bad for even startup companies if they
have a good business plan. A $5k spend isn't difficult to justify if ther=
e
is a return on the horizon. The problem is the lack of flexibility in the
license, which, hopefully, they will be addressing with new profiles. So,=
to
be clear, I'm not complaining about the price tag or even the currently
proposed profiles, my complaint is simply that the profiles don't extend =
far
enough towards the low-bandwidth/high-connection app side of the market.
My other complaint is that, at 10 times the cost, why are there caps =
on
the Origin/Edge servers at all? I mean, 10 pro licenses would buy you 2.5
gigabits and 25k concurrent connections, which the same as unlimited in
practical terms, so it seems disproportionate to have a 5k connection cap=
on
the Origin license. What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin
license?
ryanm=20
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| Graeme Bull 2006-01-31, 6:03 pm |
| umm.. yes. Money.
That's old though, the new licensing system is much more in tune with the
market and community. All thanks to the community speaking up and letting
the management know what we thought of their greed and lack of foresight. To
put it bluntly.
Graeme
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From: Naicu Octavian [mailto:naicuoctavian-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:57 AM
To: graeme.bull-lB/6vUJvybQOPmVbiNFCMNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org; FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] A note about the profile system
>What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin license?
Well, the original Pro edition had only 100 connections! Do you see the
rationale in that either!?
Graeme Bull <graeme.bull-lB/6vUJvybQOPmVbiNFCMNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin license?
To get more money of course.
Graeme
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From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of ryanm
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:01 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] A note about the profile system
> UNLIMITED Bandwidth/UNLIMITED Connections
>
Realistically, that's not going to happen, not for $4500. Frankly, $4500
isn't that much for a server; at my current day job we have *much* more
expensive servers for things like session management across a server farm
and the like. So the price tag, while a bit steep for independant
contractors to buy for themselves (which could be solved by a personal
edition license, of course), isn't bad for even startup companies if they
have a good business plan. A $5k spend isn't difficult to justify if there
is a return on the horizon. The problem is the lack of flexibility in the
license, which, hopefully, they will be addressing with new profiles. So, to
be clear, I'm not complaining about the price tag or even the currently
proposed profiles, my complaint is simply that the profiles don't extend far
enough towards the low-bandwidth/high-connection app side of the market.
My other complaint is that, at 10 times the cost, why are there caps on
the Origin/Edge servers at all? I mean, 10 pro licenses would buy you 2.5
gigabits and 25k concurrent connections, which the same as unlimited in
practical terms, so it seems disproportionate to have a 5k connection cap on
the Origin license. What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin
license?
ryanm
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| Brian Lesser 2006-01-31, 6:03 pm |
| Yeah, I've never understood even the 150 client unlimted bw profile in
terms of it being a stand alone logical price point. I mean lets say you
have a server that can push out a gig. So 1,000,000,000 bits divided by
150 clients is 6,666,667 bits. So, who wants to stream 6 Mb/s to every
client...??? It doesn't make sense for many applications on its own.
I see it more as a kind of end point for a sequence of
bandwidth/connection profiles. In other words say there is a 1000
connection/ 40 Mbs profile and maybe one day we get a 45 Mbs 500
connections profile etc... So where would the profile scale end? I think
at 150 connections/unlimited bandwidth would be Adobe's answer.
Yours truly,
-Brian
Naicu Octavian wrote:
>
>Well, the original Pro edition had only 100 connections! Do you see the rationale in that either!?
>
>Graeme Bull <graeme.bull-lB/6vUJvybQOPmVbiNFCMNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote: >What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin license?
>
>To get more money of course.
>
>Graeme
>
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>[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of ryanm
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:01 PM
>To: FlashComm Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] A note about the profile system
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>
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> Realistically, that's not going to happen, not for $4500. Frankly, $4500
>isn't that much for a server; at my current day job we have *much* more
>expensive servers for things like session management across a server farm
>and the like. So the price tag, while a bit steep for independant
>contractors to buy for themselves (which could be solved by a personal
>edition license, of course), isn't bad for even startup companies if they
>have a good business plan. A $5k spend isn't difficult to justify if there
>is a return on the horizon. The problem is the lack of flexibility in the
>license, which, hopefully, they will be addressing with new profiles. So, to
>be clear, I'm not complaining about the price tag or even the currently
>proposed profiles, my complaint is simply that the profiles don't extend far
>enough towards the low-bandwidth/high-connection app side of the market.
>
> My other complaint is that, at 10 times the cost, why are there caps on
>the Origin/Edge servers at all? I mean, 10 pro licenses would buy you 2.5
>gigabits and 25k concurrent connections, which the same as unlimited in
>practical terms, so it seems disproportionate to have a 5k connection cap on
>the Origin license. What is the rationale behind the cap on the Origin
>license?
>
>ryanm
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| GatorEye 2006-01-31, 8:45 pm |
| Never said I wasn't willing to pay for it. I AM. As of right now
however, that option is A) not available and B) to get something similar
I'd have to go to origin/edge for ridiculously more money than the old
way and it would still be capped. I'm not excited about origin/edge for
all the reasons you've so nicely expressed here previously.
I still don't see what's the big deal to have an unlimited bw/connection
profile at a cost of X dollars (whatever X is).
GatorEye
RE:
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>Realistically, that's not going to happen, not for $4500.
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| Asa Whillock 2006-01-31, 8:45 pm |
| I think you'll find that if you're interested in building something
beyond the capabilities of a simple Professional license and profiles,
the usual "call us" applies. OEM deals almost always act away from the
shelf, and if you have an interest in getting ahold of unlimited levels
on both and have the capital to invest, give Chris and Steve a call -
I'm sure they'll be happy to work something out.
Asa
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To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
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Never said I wasn't willing to pay for it. I AM. As of right now
however, that option is A) not available and B) to get something similar
I'd have to go to origin/edge for ridiculously more money than the old
way and it would still be capped. I'm not excited about origin/edge for
all the reasons you've so nicely expressed here previously.
=20
I still don't see what's the big deal to have an unlimited bw/connection
profile at a cost of X dollars (whatever X is).
=20
GatorEye
=20
RE:
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>Realistically, that's not going to happen, not for $4500.
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