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| FTOUCH-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org 2006-02-20, 5:46 pm |
| Hello:
In a recent trade show I have found out about a company which demonstrated a
built in application sharing as part of their FCS.
There is nothing new about application sharing except the fact that many FCS
developers are breaking their heads in finding a solution as an integral part
of FCS,
The application sharing solution that I saw this time, however, was an FCS
application from MM/Adobe!
I guess my facial expression asked the obvious question, how on earth they
got it? so the representative explained to me that there are very few companies
that got that module which enables them to support natural, full application
sharing as part of FCS.
In other words: FCS clearly supports application sharing or at the very
least knows how to interact with other modules that can do the job.
I cant help but asking why MM would keep the application sharing for FCS
close to its chest?
David Evgey
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| JesterXL 2006-02-20, 5:46 pm |
| You got the cash, they got the solution!
Simple bizz-nass.
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Subject: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
Hello:
In a recent trade show I have found out about a company which demonstrated a
built in application sharing as part of their FCS.
There is nothing new about application sharing except the fact that many FCS
developers are breaking their heads in finding a solution as an integral
part
of FCS,
The application sharing solution that I saw this time, however, was an FCS
application from MM/Adobe!
I guess my facial expression asked the obvious question, how on earth they
got it? so the representative explained to me that there are very few
companies
that got that module which enables them to support natural, full application
sharing as part of FCS.
In other words: FCS clearly supports application sharing or at the very
least knows how to interact with other modules that can do the job.
I cant help but asking why MM would keep the application sharing for FCS
close to its chest?
David Evgey
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| Aaron Roberson 2006-02-20, 5:46 pm |
| Q: why MM would keep the application sharing for FCS
close to its chest
A: FLEX ENTERPRISE SERVICES
On 2/20/06, FTOUCH-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org <FTOUCH-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> In a recent trade show I have found out about a company which demonstrate=
d a
> built in application sharing as part of their FCS.
>
> There is nothing new about application sharing except the fact that many =
FCS
> developers are breaking their heads in finding a solution as an integral =
part
> of FCS,
>
> The application sharing solution that I saw this time, however, was an FC=
S
> application from MM/Adobe!
>
> I guess my facial expression asked the obvious question, how on earth the=
y
> got it? so the representative explained to me that there are very few com=
panies
> that got that module which enables them to support natural, full applicat=
ion
> sharing as part of FCS.
>
> In other words: FCS clearly supports application sharing or at the very
> least knows how to interact with other modules that can do the job.
>
> I cant help but asking why MM would keep the application sharing for FCS
> close to its chest?
>
> David Evgey
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| JesterXL 2006-02-20, 5:46 pm |
| Breeze, too.
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Q: why MM would keep the application sharing for FCS
close to its chest
A: FLEX ENTERPRISE SERVICES
On 2/20/06, FTOUCH-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org <FTOUCH-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> In a recent trade show I have found out about a company which demonstrated
> a
> built in application sharing as part of their FCS.
>
> There is nothing new about application sharing except the fact that many
> FCS
> developers are breaking their heads in finding a solution as an integral
> part
> of FCS,
>
> The application sharing solution that I saw this time, however, was an FCS
> application from MM/Adobe!
>
> I guess my facial expression asked the obvious question, how on earth they
> got it? so the representative explained to me that there are very few
> companies
> that got that module which enables them to support natural, full
> application
> sharing as part of FCS.
>
> In other words: FCS clearly supports application sharing or at the very
> least knows how to interact with other modules that can do the job.
>
> I cant help but asking why MM would keep the application sharing for FCS
> close to its chest?
>
> David Evgey
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| Phillip Kerman 2006-02-20, 5:46 pm |
| What I don't get about this story is whether he saw a private company build
a breeze-like app WITHOUT breeze?
If so, all I can say is this should be clearly stated as an available
option. As it stands, I thought the screen sharing was only available in
breeze... and thusly, I advised a client they would have to find another
solution for a large project.
A) if this is really available, then it means MM lost a sale.
B) if this isn't an option then I'll can return to my old state (not really
liking the fact it's only available in breeze but accepting this as a FOL).
Thanks,
Phillip
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| JesterXL 2006-02-20, 5:46 pm |
| It's available. How do you think Convoq got their application sharing
without Breeze?
http://www.convoq.com/products/features.aspx
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
What I don't get about this story is whether he saw a private company build
a breeze-like app WITHOUT breeze?
If so, all I can say is this should be clearly stated as an available
option. As it stands, I thought the screen sharing was only available in
breeze... and thusly, I advised a client they would have to find another
solution for a large project.
A) if this is really available, then it means MM lost a sale.
B) if this isn't an option then I'll can return to my old state (not really
liking the fact it's only available in breeze but accepting this as a FOL).
Thanks,
Phillip
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| Phillip Kerman 2006-02-20, 5:46 pm |
| Well, I guess my comment is that they might get more biz if they make it
clear (at least to me) that they want to work out such deals.
Thanks,
Phillip
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JesterXL
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>
> It's available. How do you think Convoq got their application sharing
> without Breeze?
> http://www.convoq.com/products/features.aspx
>
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> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:19 PM
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>
>
> What I don't get about this story is whether he saw a private company
build
> a breeze-like app WITHOUT breeze?
>
> If so, all I can say is this should be clearly stated as an available
> option. As it stands, I thought the screen sharing was only available in
> breeze... and thusly, I advised a client they would have to find another
> solution for a large project.
>
> A) if this is really available, then it means MM lost a sale.
> B) if this isn't an option then I'll can return to my old state (not
really
> liking the fact it's only available in breeze but accepting this as a
FOL).
>
> Thanks,
> Phillip
>
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| Ritesh Jariwala 2006-02-21, 2:45 am |
| Hi jesse,
I have took the ride of the ASAP. Their screensharing is not as smooth as
breeze.
With Regards,
Ritesh Jariwala (Actkid)
Freelance Developer
www.actkid.com
Company: www.synonymic.com
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:54 AM
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It's available. How do you think Convoq got their application sharing
without Breeze?
http://www.convoq.com/products/features.aspx
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
What I don't get about this story is whether he saw a private company build
a breeze-like app WITHOUT breeze?
If so, all I can say is this should be clearly stated as an available
option. As it stands, I thought the screen sharing was only available in
breeze... and thusly, I advised a client they would have to find another
solution for a large project.
A) if this is really available, then it means MM lost a sale.
B) if this isn't an option then I'll can return to my old state (not really
liking the fact it's only available in breeze but accepting this as a FOL).
Thanks,
Phillip
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| Jim Phelan 2006-02-21, 2:45 am |
| Word was someone at convoq sat on the macromedia board. It's the same fp
plugin as breeze.
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Hi jesse,
I have took the ride of the ASAP. Their screensharing is not as smooth as
breeze.
With Regards,
Ritesh Jariwala (Actkid)
Freelance Developer
www.actkid.com
Company: www.synonymic.com
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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JesterXL
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:54 AM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
It's available. How do you think Convoq got their application sharing
without Breeze?
http://www.convoq.com/products/features.aspx
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
What I don't get about this story is whether he saw a private company build
a breeze-like app WITHOUT breeze?
If so, all I can say is this should be clearly stated as an available
option. As it stands, I thought the screen sharing was only available in
breeze... and thusly, I advised a client they would have to find another
solution for a large project.
A) if this is really available, then it means MM lost a sale.
B) if this isn't an option then I'll can return to my old state (not really
liking the fact it's only available in breeze but accepting this as a FOL).
Thanks,
Phillip
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| Ritesh Jariwala 2006-02-21, 2:45 am |
| Hmm,
Don't know about it. But, if you look at carefully about cursor movement, in
breeze its absolutely fantastic but in convoq ASAP its not.
With Regards,
Ritesh Jariwala (Actkid)
Freelance Developer
www.actkid.com
Company: www.synonymic.com
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Word was someone at convoq sat on the macromedia board. It's the same fp
plugin as breeze.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:17 AM
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Subject: RE: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
Hi jesse,
I have took the ride of the ASAP. Their screensharing is not as smooth as
breeze.
With Regards,
Ritesh Jariwala (Actkid)
Freelance Developer
www.actkid.com
Company: www.synonymic.com
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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JesterXL
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:54 AM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
It's available. How do you think Convoq got their application sharing
without Breeze?
http://www.convoq.com/products/features.aspx
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Subject: RE: [FlashComm] What is MM/Adobe's play?
What I don't get about this story is whether he saw a private company build
a breeze-like app WITHOUT breeze?
If so, all I can say is this should be clearly stated as an available
option. As it stands, I thought the screen sharing was only available in
breeze... and thusly, I advised a client they would have to find another
solution for a large project.
A) if this is really available, then it means MM lost a sale.
B) if this isn't an option then I'll can return to my old state (not really
liking the fact it's only available in breeze but accepting this as a FOL).
Thanks,
Phillip
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| Dario De Agostini 2006-02-21, 2:45 am |
| Ritesh Jariwala wrote:
> Hmm,
> Don't know about it. But, if you look at carefully about cursor movement, in
> breeze its absolutely fantastic but in convoq ASAP its not.
>
breeze interpolates mouse cursor position (and everything else).
Breeze screensharing is nothing special... they can simply use the
dedicated encoder which allows to share the full screen size without
quality loss.
Sending partial data (Changed) speeds up the process... mouse is read
about at 1fps and then it gets a cool tween "to make it smooth".
Breeze app sharing really is VERY simple and nothing special... we all
could do that with the screenshare encoder (and, of course, a dedicated
player to interact with the OS).
Dario De Agostini
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| Ritesh Jariwala 2006-02-21, 2:45 am |
| Do you know any screensharing encoder except that Vladamir VHScarp driver.
With Regards,
Ritesh Jariwala (Actkid)
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Company: www.synonymic.com
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Ritesh Jariwala wrote:
> Hmm,
> Don't know about it. But, if you look at carefully about cursor movement,
in
> breeze its absolutely fantastic but in convoq ASAP its not.
>
breeze interpolates mouse cursor position (and everything else).
Breeze screensharing is nothing special... they can simply use the
dedicated encoder which allows to share the full screen size without
quality loss.
Sending partial data (Changed) speeds up the process... mouse is read
about at 1fps and then it gets a cool tween "to make it smooth".
Breeze app sharing really is VERY simple and nothing special... we all
could do that with the screenshare encoder (and, of course, a dedicated
player to interact with the OS).
Dario De Agostini
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| Dario De Agostini 2006-02-21, 7:45 am |
| Ritesh Jariwala wrote:
> Do you know any screensharing encoder except that Vladamir VHScarp driver.
>
>
wait... don't misunderstand me.
Vladimir's tool is an excellent desktop capture driver. We already did
that more than 1 year ago for our screenshring app.
What you need to achieve Breeze performance is the ability to encode
screen with "screen capture flv".
It's an flv format which sends only area which are changed (and doesn't
compress with lossy algorithm), it's explained in official flash 7 file
format specifications.
Breeze player has this encoder built in.
Flash player also has an HUGE performance gap when encoding big
streams... cpu use goes up to 99% on 2ghz P4
I wonder if there is a way to use the fp autoupdate feature to download
an alternative player (like breeze does)
Dario De Agostini
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| daz lee 2006-02-21, 7:45 am |
| its sandboxed it has to come from macromedia.com ... check out the =
central install badge, its open you can see how it works for yourself =
but you cant use it.
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> Do you know any screensharing encoder except that Vladamir VHScarp =
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> =20
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Vladimir's tool is an excellent desktop capture driver. We already did =
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Breeze player has this encoder built in.
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| Brian Lesser 2006-02-21, 7:45 am |
| Which version of Breeze? There were big improvements between Breeze 4
and 5. Convoq is likely using an older version of screen sharing.
Yours truly,
-Brian
Ritesh Jariwala wrote:
>Their screensharing is not as smooth as breeze.
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| Stefan Richter 2006-02-23, 5:46 pm |
| I'm jumping in late on this one.
AFAIK Convoq has OEM'd Breeze. Anyone can do that (I think) as long as you
have the bucks for it. If someone in that company really was on the MM board
then one could speculate that he can get a discount :-)
It's certainly not an option that's open to most small to midsized
businesses.
Stefan
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> Which version of Breeze? There were big improvements between
> Breeze 4 and 5. Convoq is likely using an older version of
> screen sharing.
> Yours truly,
> -Brian
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