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Upload and convert PowerPoint

Smart, Steve J. (US - Hermitage)

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Hi,

Does anyone know of a server solution (working with or alongside FMS)
that will allow a users to upload power point slides and convert them to
a SWF file in the process?

Thanks
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Jay Charles

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

I've done this a number of ways. An easy (and free) way is to use pdf995
and Omniformat (http://www.pdf995.com) to convert your ppt to pdf, and
then use pdf2swf (www.swftools.org) to convert the pdf to .swf. You'll
also need Powerpoint installed on the server.

You'll use an application server (like php, asp, cfm, etc) to handle the
upload and the commands for running the conversion.

You can also use openOffice if you need to do it on a linux box. There's
a discussion about it here:

http://flashcomguru.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1557

-Jay

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Subject: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

Hi,

Does anyone know of a server solution (working with or alongside FMS)
that will allow a users to upload power point slides and convert them to
a SWF file in the process?

Thanks
steve

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Dario De Agostini

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Jay Charles wrote:
> You can also use openOffice if you need to do it on a linux box. There's
> a discussion about it here:
>
why does it require a linux box ?
we do it here on windows too... with open office.
i'm not the one who is responsible of that so i don't know details, but
i'm 100% sure it's on windows.

Dario De Agostini
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eworks.710044-opCBI309nnGakBO8gow8eQ@public.gm

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Hi Steve,

I know of three windows server versions. The first one is from
an indian company webspiders:
http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp

We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.=20

Another
server edition is available at httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need t=
o
request it there. This one is much more expensive than the version from w=
ebspiders,
but it can also do more things (converting video for instance).

I have
also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group: httt://www.dcngroup.=
it.
You need to contact them to get more info.

Here is some feedback on my
day to day experience:

1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server version and ca=
n
only work on one ppt at the same time.=20

2. Conversion takes time. If you
have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a lot of boxs, =
images,
tables on it, it takes a long time (1-8 minutes or even more). During tha=
t
time nobody else can convert anything. So you need to build a queue to ha=
ndle
several conversions.=20

3. Conversion is not always accurate. Especially
if you have complicated charts with gradients, icons, shapes etc. it can =
very
easily happen, that colors look strange or shapes are misplaced.=20

4. All
tools mentioned above have a different way to structure the flash movie. =
So
you need to build a flash-movie for presenting the converted ppt properly=
..

5. Animations do not work properly. As soon as Animations are in the PPT,
the structure of the flash movie changes. The effect: Your flash-movie fo=
r
presenting the converted ppt is not working properly anymore.

For this
reason I am personally working for my own webconferences with client base=
d
tools.=20

All tools I have tested have flaws. A few a slow, but quality is
good. A few are fast, but quality is lacking.=20

Personally I like most the
powerconverter from presentation pro. It crashes from time to time while =
I
convert, but most of the time it works properly. The quality is quite goo=
d
and you have plenty of options to adjust quality and output.=20

If you need
more info, please get back to me.

Martin Weiss
www.e-presenter.biz

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Stefan Richter

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

I said it before and I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty well
for us for PPT conversions.

Stefan

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> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I know of three windows server versions. The first one is
> from an indian company webspiders:
> http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp
>
>
> We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.
>
> Another
> server edition is available at
> httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need to request it there.
> This one is much more expensive than the version from
> webspiders, but it can also do more things (converting video
> for instance).
>
> I have
> also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group:
> httt://www.dcngroup.it.
> You need to contact them to get more info.
>
> Here is some feedback on my
> day to day experience:
>
> 1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
> The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server
> version and can only work on one ppt at the same time.
>
> 2. Conversion takes time. If you
> have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a
> lot of boxs, images, tables on it, it takes a long time (1-8
> minutes or even more). During that time nobody else can
> convert anything. So you need to build a queue to handle
> several conversions.
>
> 3. Conversion is not always accurate. Especially if you have
> complicated charts with gradients, icons, shapes etc. it can
> very easily happen, that colors look strange or shapes are misplaced.
>
> 4. All
> tools mentioned above have a different way to structure the
> flash movie. So you need to build a flash-movie for
> presenting the converted ppt properly.
>
>
> 5. Animations do not work properly. As soon as Animations are
> in the PPT, the structure of the flash movie changes. The
> effect: Your flash-movie for presenting the converted ppt is
> not working properly anymore.
>
> For this
> reason I am personally working for my own webconferences with
> client based tools.
>
> All tools I have tested have flaws. A few a slow, but quality
> is good. A few are fast, but quality is lacking.
>
> Personally I like most the
> powerconverter from presentation pro. It crashes from time to
> time while I convert, but most of the time it works properly.
> The quality is quite good and you have plenty of options to
> adjust quality and output.
>
> If you need
> more info, please get back to me.
>
> Martin Weiss
> www.e-presenter.biz
>
>
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>
> alongside FMS)
>
> convert them
>
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Jay Charles

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

It doesn't require a Linux box, but if you want to do PPT conversions on
Linux, you'll need something that works without powerpoint... such as
openOffice.

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Agostini
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

Jay Charles wrote:
> You can also use openOffice if you need to do it on a linux box.
There's
> a discussion about it here:
>
why does it require a linux box ?
we do it here on windows too... with open office.
i'm not the one who is responsible of that so i don't know details, but
i'm 100% sure it's on windows.

Dario De Agostini
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Beto A

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

www.authorgen.com

they are the only ones that have a serverside solution,that I know of. Li=
ke stated before it is processor intensive.

cheers
Beto

Stefan Richter <stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org> wrote: I said it before and I'll=
say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty well
for us for PPT conversions.

Stefan
=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org=20
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of=20
> eworks.710044-opCBI309nnGakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org
> Sent: 14 April 2006 09:27
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>=20
> Hi Steve,
>=20
> I know of three windows server versions. The first one is=20
> from an indian company webspiders:
> http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp
>=20
>=20
> We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.=20
>=20
> Another
> server edition is available at=20
> httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need to request it there.=20
> This one is much more expensive than the version from=20
> webspiders, but it can also do more things (converting video=20
> for instance).
>=20
> I have
> also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group:=20
> httt://www.dcngroup.it.
> You need to contact them to get more info.
>=20
> Here is some feedback on my
> day to day experience:
>=20
> 1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
> The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server=20
> version and can only work on one ppt at the same time.=20
>=20
> 2. Conversion takes time. If you
> have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a=20
> lot of boxs, images, tables on it, it takes a long time (1-8=20
> minutes or even more). During that time nobody else can=20
> convert anything. So you need to build a queue to handle=20
> several conversions.=20
>=20
> 3. Conversion is not always accurate. Especially if you have=20
> complicated charts with gradients, icons, shapes etc. it can=20
> very easily happen, that colors look strange or shapes are misplaced.=20
>=20
> 4. All
> tools mentioned above have a different way to structure the=20
> flash movie. So you need to build a flash-movie for=20
> presenting the converted ppt properly.
>=20
>=20
> 5. Animations do not work properly. As soon as Animations are=20
> in the PPT, the structure of the flash movie changes. The=20
> effect: Your flash-movie for presenting the converted ppt is=20
> not working properly anymore.
>=20
> For this
> reason I am personally working for my own webconferences with=20
> client based tools.=20
>=20
> All tools I have tested have flaws. A few a slow, but quality=20
> is good. A few are fast, but quality is lacking.=20
>=20
> Personally I like most the
> powerconverter from presentation pro. It crashes from time to=20
> time while I convert, but most of the time it works properly.=20
> The quality is quite good and you have plenty of options to=20
> adjust quality and output.=20
>=20
> If you need
> more info, please get back to me.
>=20
> Martin Weiss
> www.e-presenter.biz
>=20
>=20
> --- FlashComm Mailing List=20
> Hi,
>=20
> alongside FMS)
>=20
> convert them=20
>=20
> (including any attachments) contains confidential information=20
> intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is=20
> protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you=20
> should delete this message.=20
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Jay Charles

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Flashpaper is a server side solution, as Flashpaper can be called from
the command line.

The reason I don't use Flashpaper is the file size of the resulting
..swf, and all of the extra code and classes that come along with slides
(which is usually all I want from the ppt's). I prefer a .swf with a
single slide on a frame, no AS of any kind other than stop actions. I
also like to have the ability to manipulate the quality settings.=20

That's why I like pdf995/swftools or Openoffice/swftools... and they're
free, which is always a bonus.

-Jay

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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Beto A
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:01 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

www.authorgen.com

they are the only ones that have a serverside solution,that I know of.
Like stated before it is processor intensive.

cheers
Beto

Stefan Richter <stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org> wrote: I said it before and
I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty well
for us for PPT conversions.

Stefan
=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org=20
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of=20
> eworks.710044-opCBI309nnGakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org
> Sent: 14 April 2006 09:27
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>=20
> Hi Steve,
>=20
> I know of three windows server versions. The first one is=20
> from an indian company webspiders:
> http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp
>=20
>=20
> We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.=20
>=20
> Another
> server edition is available at=20
> httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need to request it there.=20
> This one is much more expensive than the version from=20
> webspiders, but it can also do more things (converting video=20
> for instance).
>=20
> I have
> also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group:=20
> httt://www.dcngroup.it.
> You need to contact them to get more info.
>=20
> Here is some feedback on my
> day to day experience:
>=20
> 1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
> The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server=20
> version and can only work on one ppt at the same time.=20
>=20
> 2. Conversion takes time. If you
> have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a=20
> lot of boxs, images, tables on it, it takes a long time (1-8=20
> minutes or even more). During that time nobody else can=20
> convert anything. So you need to build a queue to handle=20
> several conversions.=20
>=20
> 3. Conversion is not always accurate. Especially if you have=20
> complicated charts with gradients, icons, shapes etc. it can=20
> very easily happen, that colors look strange or shapes are misplaced.=20
>=20
> 4. All
> tools mentioned above have a different way to structure the=20
> flash movie. So you need to build a flash-movie for=20
> presenting the converted ppt properly.
>=20
>=20
> 5. Animations do not work properly. As soon as Animations are=20
> in the PPT, the structure of the flash movie changes. The=20
> effect: Your flash-movie for presenting the converted ppt is=20
> not working properly anymore.
>=20
> For this
> reason I am personally working for my own webconferences with=20
> client based tools.=20
>=20
> All tools I have tested have flaws. A few a slow, but quality=20
> is good. A few are fast, but quality is lacking.=20
>=20
> Personally I like most the
> powerconverter from presentation pro. It crashes from time to=20
> time while I convert, but most of the time it works properly.=20
> The quality is quite good and you have plenty of options to=20
> adjust quality and output.=20
>=20
> If you need
> more info, please get back to me.
>=20
> Martin Weiss
> www.e-presenter.biz
>=20
>=20
> --- FlashComm Mailing List=20
> Hi,
>=20
> alongside FMS)
>=20
> convert them=20
>=20
> (including any attachments) contains confidential information=20
> intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is=20
> protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you=20
> should delete this message.=20
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Jake Hilton

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

And one more serverside option.. and it runs on linux.. of course.

http://www.3bview.com/

Jake

On 4/14/06, Jay Charles <jay-/2BbR9jOFtJDNXj9fXT1TFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Flashpaper is a server side solution, as Flashpaper can be called from
> the command line.
>
> The reason I don't use Flashpaper is the file size of the resulting
> .swf, and all of the extra code and classes that come along with slides
> (which is usually all I want from the ppt's). I prefer a .swf with a
> single slide on a frame, no AS of any kind other than stop actions. I
> also like to have the ability to manipulate the quality settings.
>
> That's why I like pdf995/swftools or Openoffice/swftools... and they're
> free, which is always a bonus.
>
> -Jay
>
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>
> www.authorgen.com
>
> they are the only ones that have a serverside solution,that I know of.
> Like stated before it is processor intensive.
>
> cheers
> Beto
>
> Stefan Richter <stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org> wrote: I said it before and
> I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty well
> for us for PPT conversions.
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Smart, Steve J. (US - Hermitage)

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Can flashpaper be used as a server side solution?

What we're exploring is a "self-service" solution where users can upload
a PPT to a server on their own and have that converted to sWF then
archived on the server.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Richter [mailto:stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org]=20
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:01 AM
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Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

I said it before and I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty
well
for us for PPT conversions.

Stefan
=20

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>=20
> Hi Steve,
>=20
> I know of three windows server versions. The first one is=20
> from an indian company webspiders:
> http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp
>=20
>=20
> We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.=20
>=20
> Another
> server edition is available at=20
> httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need to request it there.=20
> This one is much more expensive than the version from=20
> webspiders, but it can also do more things (converting video=20
> for instance).
>=20
> I have
> also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group:=20
> httt://www.dcngroup.it.
> You need to contact them to get more info.
>=20
> Here is some feedback on my
> day to day experience:
>=20
> 1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
> The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server=20
> version and can only work on one ppt at the same time.=20
>=20
> 2. Conversion takes time. If you
> have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a=20
> lot of boxs, images, tables on it, it takes a long time (1-8=20
> minutes or even more). During that time nobody else can=20
> convert anything. So you need to build a queue to handle=20
> several conversions.=20
>=20
> 3. Conversion is not always accurate. Especially if you have=20
> complicated charts with gradients, icons, shapes etc. it can=20
> very easily happen, that colors look strange or shapes are misplaced.=20
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> 4. All
> tools mentioned above have a different way to structure the=20
> flash movie. So you need to build a flash-movie for=20
> presenting the converted ppt properly.
>=20
>=20
> 5. Animations do not work properly. As soon as Animations are=20
> in the PPT, the structure of the flash movie changes. The=20
> effect: Your flash-movie for presenting the converted ppt is=20
> not working properly anymore.
>=20
> For this
> reason I am personally working for my own webconferences with=20
> client based tools.=20
>=20
> All tools I have tested have flaws. A few a slow, but quality=20
> is good. A few are fast, but quality is lacking.=20
>=20
> Personally I like most the
> powerconverter from presentation pro. It crashes from time to=20
> time while I convert, but most of the time it works properly.=20
> The quality is quite good and you have plenty of options to=20
> adjust quality and output.=20
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> If you need
> more info, please get back to me.
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Stefan Richter

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

That's what I'm doing, serverside PPT to Flashpaper swf. Some people have
pointed out that it may not be quite legal but so far I'm unconvinced. For
the time being it works for us, we've paid for Flashpaper, we've paid for
FCs so I don't see any issues.

I better shut up.

Stefan

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> Sent: 14 April 2006 19:49
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> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
> Can flashpaper be used as a server side solution?
>
> What we're exploring is a "self-service" solution where users
> can upload a PPT to a server on their own and have that
> converted to sWF then archived on the server.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Richter [mailto:stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:01 AM
> To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
> I said it before and I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked
> pretty well for us for PPT conversions.
>
> Stefan
>
>
> webspiders, but
> version and
> minutes or even
> So you need
> the converted
> are in the
> with client
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2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

While it is technically possible it is not permitted by the EULA.

Please see: http://www.macromedia.com/software/eula/tools/

Here is the relevant bit:
"Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, you may not (A)
install FlashPaper Printer on a server for multiple user access or use,
or (B) modify or replace the FlashPaper Printer viewer user interface
that displays FlashPaper documents."

Yours truly,
-Brian

Smart, Steve J. (US - Hermitage) wrote:

>Can flashpaper be used as a server side solution?
>
>What we're exploring is a "self-service" solution where users can upload
>a PPT to a server on their own and have that converted to sWF then
>archived on the server.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stefan Richter [mailto:stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org]
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:01 AM
>To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
>I said it before and I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty
>well
>for us for PPT conversions.
>
>Stefan
>
>
>
>
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2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

The EULA won't stop you from an installation on a server, it's more precise
than that. What it stops you from is installation it 'on a server for
multiple user access or use'.
Technically it's always the same user that accesses the Flashpaper
application and that is the admin user because IUSR is not allowed to run
it. Noone else apart from administrator has access to the Flashpaper
printer.

As for the UI: I don't believe I have either modified or replaced it. The UI
is still there and working as provided; however in the context of my app the
user is not allowed to access it.

At the end of the day if Adobe wants me to stop using their product then
fine, so be it. Flashpaper is probably on its last legs anyway. Shame
though.

Stefan

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> Sent: 14 April 2006 20:00
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
> While it is technically possible it is not permitted by the EULA.
>
> Please see: http://www.macromedia.com/software/eula/tools/
>
> Here is the relevant bit:
> "Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, you may not
> (A) install FlashPaper Printer on a server for multiple user
> access or use, or (B) modify or replace the FlashPaper
> Printer viewer user interface that displays FlashPaper documents."
>
> Yours truly,
> -Brian
>
> Smart, Steve J. (US - Hermitage) wrote:
>
> webspiders, but
> version and
> minutes or even
> So you need
> the converted
> are in the
> with client
> quality is good.
> information intended
> any action
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2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Hi Stefan,
I went back and checked the EULA. I don't see anything to indicate that
a "user" is process name or user account. What in the EULA makes you
think that? When it prohibits "multiple user access" it seems to me to
be clearly refering to people. For example here is another bit:

"...a license for the Software may not be accessed and used via a server
or network storage device."

I think the user process or user account defense is hopeless. I believe
"what Adobe wants" is clearly laid out in the EULA.

Mind you, I'd love to be wrong about this!

Yours truly,
-Brian

Stefan Richter wrote:

>The EULA won't stop you from an installation on a server, it's more precise
>than that. What it stops you from is installation it 'on a server for
>multiple user access or use'.
>Technically it's always the same user that accesses the Flashpaper
>application and that is the admin user because IUSR is not allowed to run
>it. Noone else apart from administrator has access to the Flashpaper
>printer.
>
>As for the UI: I don't believe I have either modified or replaced it. The UI
>is still there and working as provided; however in the context of my app the
>user is not allowed to access it.
>
>At the end of the day if Adobe wants me to stop using their product then
>fine, so be it. Flashpaper is probably on its last legs anyway. Shame
>though.
>
>Stefan
>
>
>
>
>
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Sean Moran

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

I would love to hear from Adobe on this.
Flashpaper is perfect for this (well, not perfect but you know)

We have held off for these EULA reasons.

On Apr 14, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Brian Lesser wrote:

>
> Hi Stefan,
> I went back and checked the EULA. I don't see anything to indicate
> that a "user" is process name or user account. What in the EULA
> makes you think that? When it prohibits "multiple user access" it
> seems to me to be clearly refering to people. For example here is
> another bit:
>
> "...a license for the Software may not be accessed and used via a
> server or network storage device."
>
> I think the user process or user account defense is hopeless. I
> believe "what Adobe wants" is clearly laid out in the EULA.
>
> Mind you, I'd love to be wrong about this!
>
> Yours truly,
> -Brian

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JesterXL

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

When I've asked in the past, their response was:

"We have a product that generates FlashPaper server-side legally quite well.
It's called ColdFusion."

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I would love to hear from Adobe on this.
Flashpaper is perfect for this (well, not perfect but you know)

We have held off for these EULA reasons.

On Apr 14, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Brian Lesser wrote:

>
> Hi Stefan,
> I went back and checked the EULA. I don't see anything to indicate
> that a "user" is process name or user account. What in the EULA
> makes you think that? When it prohibits "multiple user access" it
> seems to me to be clearly refering to people. For example here is
> another bit:
>
> "...a license for the Software may not be accessed and used via a
> server or network storage device."
>
> I think the user process or user account defense is hopeless. I
> believe "what Adobe wants" is clearly laid out in the EULA.
>
> Mind you, I'd love to be wrong about this!
>
> Yours truly,
> -Brian

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2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Hi Jesse,
Really? - they say that?? I'm aware of the cfdocument tag but is there a
way to convert a power point or pdf to swf using Coldfusion and flash paper?
-Brian

JesterXL wrote:

>When I've asked in the past, their response was:
>
>"We have a product that generates FlashPaper server-side legally quite well.
>It's called ColdFusion."
>
>
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>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
>
>
>I would love to hear from Adobe on this.
>Flashpaper is perfect for this (well, not perfect but you know)
>
>We have held off for these EULA reasons.
>
>On Apr 14, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Brian Lesser wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>

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JesterXL

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Don't know about the latter, I'm not a CF guy. I just know when me and a
few other devs clamored in person about such a feature, that was their
response.

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:00 PM
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Hi Jesse,
Really? - they say that?? I'm aware of the cfdocument tag but is there a
way to convert a power point or pdf to swf using Coldfusion and flash paper?
-Brian

JesterXL wrote:

>When I've asked in the past, their response was:
>
>"We have a product that generates FlashPaper server-side legally quite
>well.
>It's called ColdFusion."
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>To: "FlashComm Mailing List" <flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
>
>
>I would love to hear from Adobe on this.
>Flashpaper is perfect for this (well, not perfect but you know)
>
>We have held off for these EULA reasons.
>
>On Apr 14, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Brian Lesser wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Brian Lesser

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Thanks Jesse,
The CFMX report builder license at:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/..._reportbuilder/
also contains the text:

"(n) Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, you may not (A)
install FlashPaper Printer on a server for multiple user access or use,
or (B) modify or replace the FlashPaper Printer viewer user interface
that displays FlashPaper documents."

But CFMX means you have already legally installed it so that multiple
users can create FlashPaper documents. So its hard to imagine how they
can lock you out of making ad hoc calls to Flash paper if you have CFMX 7.

Anyone from Adobe care to comment? I could make use of this immediately
if it does not break the CFMX license agreement and allows conversion
from other document formats. In fact I think this would be a big deal
and real win for CFMX!

Yours truly,
-Brian

JesterXL wrote:

>Don't know about the latter, I'm not a CF guy. I just know when me and a
>few other devs clamored in person about such a feature, that was their
>response.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brian Lesser" <blesser-6s6ziW1YCwCw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org>
>To: "FlashComm Mailing List" <flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
>
>Hi Jesse,
>Really? - they say that?? I'm aware of the cfdocument tag but is there a
>way to convert a power point or pdf to swf using Coldfusion and flash paper?
>-Brian
>
>JesterXL wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Peldi Guilizzoni

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

I don't think anyone who has anything to do with Flash Paper at Adobe is
on this list, hence the silence so far. I'll forward this thread around,
but promise no replies...

Peldi

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Lesser
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

Thanks Jesse,
The CFMX report builder license at:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/..._reportbuilder/
also contains the text:

"(n) Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, you may not (A)=20
install FlashPaper Printer on a server for multiple user access or use,=20
or (B) modify or replace the FlashPaper Printer viewer user interface=20
that displays FlashPaper documents."

But CFMX means you have already legally installed it so that multiple=20
users can create FlashPaper documents. So its hard to imagine how they=20
can lock you out of making ad hoc calls to Flash paper if you have CFMX
7.

Anyone from Adobe care to comment? I could make use of this immediately=20
if it does not break the CFMX license agreement and allows conversion=20
from other document formats. In fact I think this would be a big deal=20
and real win for CFMX!

Yours truly,
-Brian

JesterXL wrote:

>Don't know about the latter, I'm not a CF guy. I just know when me and
a=20
>few other devs clamored in person about such a feature, that was their=20
>response.
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Brian Lesser" <blesser-6s6ziW1YCwCw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org>
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>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
>
>Hi Jesse,
>Really? - they say that?? I'm aware of the cfdocument tag but is there
a
>way to convert a power point or pdf to swf using Coldfusion and flash
paper?
>-Brian
>
>JesterXL wrote:
>
> =20
>
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>
>
> =20
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Stefan Richter

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

We got Flashpaper and CF on the very same box. The sensible thing to do for
Adobe is to relax the EULA. It's a ridiculous limitation.

Brian, the user account defense for this reason: anyone uploading files for
conversion never touches, configures or otherwise interacts with the
Flashpaper printer driver. This is very different from a situation where
(for example on an internal network) you make the driver accessible to other
network clients who can 'directly' print to it.
What Adobe wants may be clear but I am not a lawyer and all I can do is try
and interpret the EULA - others may interpret it differently. If Adobe
believes that I am infringing the EULA then they can terminate the agreement
and ask me to remove the software (as stated in the EULA) and of course I
would comply with that. Adobe have not terminated the agreement yet so for
the time being I assume that my usage of the product is ok.

In fact with our solution it's Coldfusion itself which accesses the
Flashpaper executable... That's an interesting situation when you consider
that we're allowed to output Flashpaper through CF already. The fact that
the swf is then loaded into another swf can't make it illegal, especially
when you consider that Adobe encourages this form of use through Devcenter
articles.

Stefan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of
> Peldi Guilizzoni
> Sent: 15 April 2006 07:06
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
> I don't think anyone who has anything to do with Flash Paper
> at Adobe is on this list, hence the silence so far. I'll
> forward this thread around, but promise no replies...
>
> Peldi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of
> Brian Lesser
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:35 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
> Thanks Jesse,
> The CFMX report builder license at:
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/..._reportbuilder/
> also contains the text:
>
> "(n) Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, you may
> not (A) install FlashPaper Printer on a server for multiple
> user access or use, or (B) modify or replace the FlashPaper
> Printer viewer user interface that displays FlashPaper documents."
>
> But CFMX means you have already legally installed it so that
> multiple users can create FlashPaper documents. So its hard
> to imagine how they can lock you out of making ad hoc calls
> to Flash paper if you have CFMX 7.
>
> Anyone from Adobe care to comment? I could make use of this
> immediately if it does not break the CFMX license agreement
> and allows conversion from other document formats. In fact I
> think this would be a big deal and real win for CFMX!
>
> Yours truly,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> JesterXL wrote:
>
> when me and
> a
> was their
> but is there
> a
> paper?
> legally quite
>
> EULA makes
> it seems to
> another bit:
>
>
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Brian Lesser

2006-04-17, 11:59 pm

Thanks Peldi,
I also wrote someone on the Coldfusion team about this. But I realise it
may be difficut to respond to as there are technical, legal, and
strategic issues all rolled together here.
Cheers,
-Brian

Peldi Guilizzoni wrote:

>I don't think anyone who has anything to do with Flash Paper at Adobe is
>on this list, hence the silence so far. I'll forward this thread around,
>but promise no replies...
>
>Peldi
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
>[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Brian
>Lesser
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:35 PM
>To: FlashComm Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>
>Thanks Jesse,
>The CFMX report builder license at:
>http://www.macromedia.com/software/..._reportbuilder/
>also contains the text:
>
>"(n) Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, you may not (A)
>install FlashPaper Printer on a server for multiple user access or use,
>or (B) modify or replace the FlashPaper Printer viewer user interface
>that displays FlashPaper documents."
>
>But CFMX means you have already legally installed it so that multiple
>users can create FlashPaper documents. So its hard to imagine how they
>can lock you out of making ad hoc calls to Flash paper if you have CFMX
>7.
>
>Anyone from Adobe care to comment? I could make use of this immediately
>if it does not break the CFMX license agreement and allows conversion
>from other document formats. In fact I think this would be a big deal
>and real win for CFMX!
>
>Yours truly,
>-Brian
>
>
>
>JesterXL wrote:
>
>
>
>a
>
>
>a
>
>
>paper?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Ben Zhou

2006-04-20, 6:57 pm

How do you call the Flashpaper from the command line. Could you give =
more details? Any link will be very helpful. Thanks

Ben

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Charles
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:19 PM
To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

Flashpaper is a server side solution, as Flashpaper can be called from
the command line.

The reason I don't use Flashpaper is the file size of the resulting
..swf, and all of the extra code and classes that come along with slides
(which is usually all I want from the ppt's). I prefer a .swf with a
single slide on a frame, no AS of any kind other than stop actions. I
also like to have the ability to manipulate the quality settings.=20

That's why I like pdf995/swftools or Openoffice/swftools... and they're
free, which is always a bonus.

-Jay

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www.authorgen.com

they are the only ones that have a serverside solution,that I know of.
Like stated before it is processor intensive.

cheers
Beto

Stefan Richter <stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org> wrote: I said it before and
I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty well
for us for PPT conversions.

Stefan
=20

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> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>=20
> Hi Steve,
>=20
> I know of three windows server versions. The first one is=20
> from an indian company webspiders:
> http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp
>=20
>=20
> We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.=20
>=20
> Another
> server edition is available at=20
> httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need to request it there.=20
> This one is much more expensive than the version from=20
> webspiders, but it can also do more things (converting video=20
> for instance).
>=20
> I have
> also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group:=20
> httt://www.dcngroup.it.
> You need to contact them to get more info.
>=20
> Here is some feedback on my
> day to day experience:
>=20
> 1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
> The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server=20
> version and can only work on one ppt at the same time.=20
>=20
> 2. Conversion takes time. If you
> have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a=20
> lot of boxs, images, tables on it, it takes a long time (1-8=20
> minutes or even more). During that time nobody else can=20
> convert anything. So you need to build a queue to handle=20
> several conversions.=20
>=20
> 3. Conversion is not always accurate. Especially if you have=20
> complicated charts with gradients, icons, shapes etc. it can=20
> very easily happen, that colors look strange or shapes are misplaced.=20
>=20
> 4. All
> tools mentioned above have a different way to structure the=20
> flash movie. So you need to build a flash-movie for=20
> presenting the converted ppt properly.
>=20
>=20
> 5. Animations do not work properly. As soon as Animations are=20
> in the PPT, the structure of the flash movie changes. The=20
> effect: Your flash-movie for presenting the converted ppt is=20
> not working properly anymore.
>=20
> For this
> reason I am personally working for my own webconferences with=20
> client based tools.=20
>=20
> All tools I have tested have flaws. A few a slow, but quality=20
> is good. A few are fast, but quality is lacking.=20
>=20
> Personally I like most the
> powerconverter from presentation pro. It crashes from time to=20
> time while I convert, but most of the time it works properly.=20
> The quality is quite good and you have plenty of options to=20
> adjust quality and output.=20
>=20
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> more info, please get back to me.
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Smart, Steve J. (US - Hermitage)

2006-04-20, 6:57 pm

Agreed, that would be insightful.

Also, does anyone have experience with using OpenOffice on server?=20

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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:37 PM
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Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

How do you call the Flashpaper from the command line. Could you give =
more details? Any link will be very helpful. Thanks

Ben

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Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

Flashpaper is a server side solution, as Flashpaper can be called from
the command line.

The reason I don't use Flashpaper is the file size of the resulting
..swf, and all of the extra code and classes that come along with slides
(which is usually all I want from the ppt's). I prefer a .swf with a
single slide on a frame, no AS of any kind other than stop actions. I
also like to have the ability to manipulate the quality settings.=20

That's why I like pdf995/swftools or Openoffice/swftools... and they're
free, which is always a bonus.

-Jay

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From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Beto A
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Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

www.authorgen.com

they are the only ones that have a serverside solution,that I know of.
Like stated before it is processor intensive.

cheers
Beto

Stefan Richter <stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org> wrote: I said it before and
I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty well
for us for PPT conversions.

Stefan
=20

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>=20
> Hi Steve,
>=20
> I know of three windows server versions. The first one is=20
> from an indian company webspiders:
> http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp
>=20
>=20
> We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.=20
>=20
> Another
> server edition is available at=20
> httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need to request it there.=20
> This one is much more expensive than the version from=20
> webspiders, but it can also do more things (converting video=20
> for instance).
>=20
> I have
> also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group:=20
> httt://www.dcngroup.it.
> You need to contact them to get more info.
>=20
> Here is some feedback on my
> day to day experience:
>=20
> 1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
> The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server=20
> version and can only work on one ppt at the same time.=20
>=20
> 2. Conversion takes time. If you
> have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a=20
> lot of boxs, images, tables on it, it takes a long time (1-8=20
> minutes or even more). During that time nobody else can=20
> convert anything. So you need to build a queue to handle=20
> several conversions.=20
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> 3. Conversion is not always accurate. Especially if you have=20
> complicated charts with gradients, icons, shapes etc. it can=20
> very easily happen, that colors look strange or shapes are misplaced.=20
>=20
> 4. All
> tools mentioned above have a different way to structure the=20
> flash movie. So you need to build a flash-movie for=20
> presenting the converted ppt properly.
>=20
>=20
> 5. Animations do not work properly. As soon as Animations are=20
> in the PPT, the structure of the flash movie changes. The=20
> effect: Your flash-movie for presenting the converted ppt is=20
> not working properly anymore.
>=20
> For this
> reason I am personally working for my own webconferences with=20
> client based tools.=20
>=20
> All tools I have tested have flaws. A few a slow, but quality=20
> is good. A few are fast, but quality is lacking.=20
>=20
> Personally I like most the
> powerconverter from presentation pro. It crashes from time to=20
> time while I convert, but most of the time it works properly.=20
> The quality is quite good and you have plenty of options to=20
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Jay Charles

2006-04-20, 6:57 pm

There's a discussion about using OO and Flashpaper here:

http://flashcomguru.com/forum/forum....asp?TID=3D1557

@Steve - I have limited experience using OO on a Windows server... is
there specific advice you're looking for?

-Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Smart,
Steve J. (US - Hermitage)
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:50 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

Agreed, that would be insightful.

Also, does anyone have experience with using OpenOffice on server?=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Zhou [mailto:bzhou-4N3potOeb1c@public.gmane.org]=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:37 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

How do you call the Flashpaper from the command line. Could you give
more details? Any link will be very helpful. Thanks

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jay
Charles
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:19 PM
To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

Flashpaper is a server side solution, as Flashpaper can be called from
the command line.

The reason I don't use Flashpaper is the file size of the resulting
..swf, and all of the extra code and classes that come along with slides
(which is usually all I want from the ppt's). I prefer a .swf with a
single slide on a frame, no AS of any kind other than stop actions. I
also like to have the ability to manipulate the quality settings.=20

That's why I like pdf995/swftools or Openoffice/swftools... and they're
free, which is always a bonus.

-Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Beto A
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:01 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint

www.authorgen.com

they are the only ones that have a serverside solution,that I know of.
Like stated before it is processor intensive.

cheers
Beto

Stefan Richter <stefan-fMeCE+ULXElEfu+5ix1nRw@public.gmane.org> wrote: I said it before and
I'll say it again: Flashpaper has worked pretty well
for us for PPT conversions.

Stefan
=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org=20
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of=20
> eworks.710044-opCBI309nnGakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org
> Sent: 14 April 2006 09:27
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Upload and convert PowerPoint
>=20
> Hi Steve,
>=20
> I know of three windows server versions. The first one is=20
> from an indian company webspiders:
> http://www.webspiders.com/en/nalanda_quick_flash.asp
>=20
>=20
> We use the server edition for our own webconferencing solution.=20
>=20
> Another
> server edition is available at=20
> httt://www.presentationpro.com. You need to request it there.=20
> This one is much more expensive than the version from=20
> webspiders, but it can also do more things (converting video=20
> for instance).
>=20
> I have
> also seen a version of an italian partner dcn group:=20
> httt://www.dcngroup.it.
> You need to contact them to get more info.
>=20
> Here is some feedback on my
> day to day experience:
>=20
> 1. All solutions can convert only one PPT at a time.
> The reason: PowerPoint itself is not available as a server=20
> version and can only work on one ppt at the same time.=20
>=20
> 2. Conversion takes time. If you
> have some simple PPTs it is easy. But as soon as you have a=20
> lot of boxs, images, tables