Macromedia Flash Server - Finding a host

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Finding a host

Sam Purtill

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

Hey guys,

=20

I am building a little application and I=92m going to use Flash Media =
Server.
Here=92s what I need to do: Create a chat room that users who are logged =
in
can type and chat to others in. There is one admin that can publish a =
video
feed that broadcasts to everyone. I am more of a flash remoting =
developer,
but I could always learn new stuff, I pick them up pretty fast. I=92m =
looking
for something that won=92t be super expensive though, I=92m 17 and =
don=92t have a
ton of money. I suppose I could buy a license and put it on my server, =
but
that=92s kind of expensive. I don=92t think Adobe is licensing Flash =
Media
Server 2 for educational purposes yet. Any ideas? Thanks!!!

=20

--
Sam Purtill
.......................................................
Account Manager / Senior Flash Developer
Email: sam-hT1xsAL+B1ejfpyLsbbDOw@public.gmane.org
Phone: (530) 417 0874
Google Talk: sdpurtill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Skype: sdpurtill
okapistudio.com

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Thijs Triemstra

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

Maybe you should give RED5 a try, it's a Open Source flash media server:=20
www.osflash.org/red5

Thijs

Sam Purtill schreef:
> Hey guys,
>
> =20
>
> I am building a little application and I=92m going to use Flash Media S=
erver.
> Here=92s what I need to do: Create a chat room that users who are logge=
d in
> can type and chat to others in. There is one admin that can publish a v=
ideo
> feed that broadcasts to everyone. I am more of a flash remoting develop=
er,
> but I could always learn new stuff, I pick them up pretty fast. I=92m l=
ooking
> for something that won=92t be super expensive though, I=92m 17 and don=92=
t have a
> ton of money. I suppose I could buy a license and put it on my server, =
but
> that=92s kind of expensive. I don=92t think Adobe is licensing Flash Me=
dia
> Server 2 for educational purposes yet. Any ideas? Thanks!!!
>
> =20
>
> --
> Sam Purtill
> ......................................................
> Account Manager / Senior Flash Developer
> Email: sam-hT1xsAL+B1ejfpyLsbbDOw@public.gmane.org
> Phone: (530) 417 0874
> Google Talk: sdpurtill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> Skype: sdpurtill
> okapistudio.com
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
>
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James Wrubel

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

Sam,

You can always use the free developer edition to at least prototype your =
application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you probably =
envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the platform with =
some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending on your business m=
odel. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth and user concurren=
cy it supports. I am not sure what those values are, but maybe someone on=
the list does.

Free developer version:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...flashmediaserv=
er

Apologies if you already knew about the developer version but not everyon=
e does.

Jim

Sam Purtill wrote:
> Hey guys,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I am building a little application and I=92m going to use Flash Media S=
erver.
> Here=92s what I need to do: Create a chat room that users who are logge=
d in
> can type and chat to others in. There is one admin that can publish a v=
ideo
> feed that broadcasts to everyone. I am more of a flash remoting develop=
er,
> but I could always learn new stuff, I pick them up pretty fast. I=92m l=
ooking
> for something that won=92t be super expensive though, I=92m 17 and don=92=
t have a
> ton of money. I suppose I could buy a license and put it on my server, =
but
> that=92s kind of expensive. I don=92t think Adobe is licensing Flash Me=
dia
> Server 2 for educational purposes yet. Any ideas? Thanks!!!
>=20
> =20
>=20
> --
> Sam Purtill
> ......................................................
> Account Manager / Senior Flash Developer
> Email: sam-hT1xsAL+B1ejfpyLsbbDOw@public.gmane.org
> Phone: (530) 417 0874
> Google Talk: sdpurtill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> Skype: sdpurtill
> okapistudio.com
>=20
> =20
>=20
> =20
>=20
>=20
> --
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6
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>=20
>=20
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Sam Purtill

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

Is it ok for me to use the developer's edition on my server? I thought =
it
was only for testing purposes. I'm not making any money or anything off =
the
site that we're developing... But I think I'd use the dev edition and =
see
how much popularity it gets and then maybe buy a license. I don't =
know...
Anyone ever used Influxis?=20

--
Cheers/Sam
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James =
Wrubel
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:17 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host

Sam,

You can always use the free developer edition to at least prototype your
application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you probably
envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the platform with
some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending on your business
model. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth and user =
concurrency
it supports. I am not sure what those values are, but maybe someone on =
the
list does.

Free developer version:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...flashmediaserv=
er

Apologies if you already knew about the developer version but not =
everyone
does.

Jim

Sam Purtill wrote:
> Hey guys,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I am building a little application and I=92m going to use Flash Media
Server.
> Here=92s what I need to do: Create a chat room that users who are =
logged in
> can type and chat to others in. There is one admin that can publish a
video
> feed that broadcasts to everyone. I am more of a flash remoting =
developer,
> but I could always learn new stuff, I pick them up pretty fast. I=92m
looking
> for something that won=92t be super expensive though, I=92m 17 and =
don=92t have
a
> ton of money. I suppose I could buy a license and put it on my server, =
but
> that=92s kind of expensive. I don=92t think Adobe is licensing Flash =
Media
> Server 2 for educational purposes yet. Any ideas? Thanks!!!
>=20
> =20
>=20
> --
> Sam Purtill
> ......................................................
> Account Manager / Senior Flash Developer
> Email: sam-hT1xsAL+B1ejfpyLsbbDOw@public.gmane.org
> Phone: (530) 417 0874
> Google Talk: sdpurtill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> Skype: sdpurtill
> okapistudio.com
>=20
> =20
>=20
> =20
>=20
>=20
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4/25/2006
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Thijs Triemstra

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

The developer edit it has a capacity ceiling of no more than 10=20
simultaneous users and prohibits use for in production via the end-user=20
license agreement, making it useless in any business model.

Thijs
..
James Wrubel schreef:
> Sam,
>
> You can always use the free developer edition to at least prototype you=
r application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you probabl=
y envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the platform wit=
h some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending on your business=
model. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth and user concurr=
ency it supports. I am not sure what those values are, but maybe someone =
on the list does.
>
> Free developer version:
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...3Dflashmediase=
rver
>
> Apologies if you already knew about the developer version but not every=
one does.
>
> Jim
>
> Sam Purtill wrote:
> =20
Server.[vbcol=seagreen]
ed in[vbcol=seagreen]
video[vbcol=seagreen]
per,[vbcol=seagreen]
looking[vbcol=seagreen]
=92t have a[vbcol=seagreen]
but[vbcol=seagreen]
edia[vbcol=seagreen]
06[vbcol=seagreen]
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Asa Whillock

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

You can use the developer license here. That clause on the developer
license is to keep actual professional sites from trying to chain
together a bunch of developer editions to service their load. Your
application is exactly what the developer edition was built for. Also,
although the developer edition is limited in max connections, it's
unlimited bandwidth - so it's a good starting test for your developing
app.

Wishing you nothing but success,
Asa Whillock
Adobe Systems Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Sam
Purtill
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:25 PM
To: james-zNCL/LQg+xsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org; 'FlashComm Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Finding a host

Is it ok for me to use the developer's edition on my server? I thought
it
was only for testing purposes. I'm not making any money or anything off
the
site that we're developing... But I think I'd use the dev edition and
see
how much popularity it gets and then maybe buy a license. I don't
know...
Anyone ever used Influxis?=20

--
Cheers/Sam
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James
Wrubel
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:17 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host

Sam,

You can always use the free developer edition to at least prototype your
application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you probably
envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the platform with
some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending on your business
model. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth and user
concurrency
it supports. I am not sure what those values are, but maybe someone on
the
list does.

Free developer version:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...flashmediaserv=
e
r

Apologies if you already knew about the developer version but not
everyone
does.

Jim

Sam Purtill wrote:
> Hey guys,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I am building a little application and I'm going to use Flash Media
Server.
> Here's what I need to do: Create a chat room that users who are logged
in
> can type and chat to others in. There is one admin that can publish a
video
> feed that broadcasts to everyone. I am more of a flash remoting
developer,
> but I could always learn new stuff, I pick them up pretty fast. I'm
looking
> for something that won't be super expensive though, I'm 17 and don't
have
a
> ton of money. I suppose I could buy a license and put it on my server,
but
> that's kind of expensive. I don't think Adobe is licensing Flash Media
> Server 2 for educational purposes yet. Any ideas? Thanks!!!
>=20
> =20
>=20
> --
> Sam Purtill
> ......................................................
> Account Manager / Senior Flash Developer
> Email: sam-hT1xsAL+B1ejfpyLsbbDOw@public.gmane.org
> Phone: (530) 417 0874
> Google Talk: sdpurtill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> Skype: sdpurtill
> okapistudio.com
>=20
> =20
>=20
> =20
>=20
>=20
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date:
4/25/2006
>=20
>=20
>=20
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JesterXL

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

Yeah, I use Influxis.com and have the t-shirt. They've worked for me for=
=20
over a year now and the 10 connections works fine for what I need.

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Sam Purtill" <sdpurtill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: <james-zNCL/LQg+xsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>; "'FlashComm Mailing List'"=20
<flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Finding a host

Is it ok for me to use the developer's edition on my server? I thought it
was only for testing purposes. I'm not making any money or anything off t=
he
site that we're developing... But I think I'd use the dev edition and see
how much popularity it gets and then maybe buy a license. I don't know...
Anyone ever used Influxis?

--
Cheers/Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Wrube=
l
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:17 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host

Sam,

You can always use the free developer edition to at least prototype your
application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you probably
envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the platform with
some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending on your business
model. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth and user concurre=
ncy
it supports. I am not sure what those values are, but maybe someone on th=
e
list does.

Free developer version:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...flashmediaserv=
er

Apologies if you already knew about the developer version but not everyon=
e
does.

Jim

Sam Purtill wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> I am building a little application and I=92m going to use Flash Media
Server.
> Here=92s what I need to do: Create a chat room that users who are logge=
d in
> can type and chat to others in. There is one admin that can publish a
video
> feed that broadcasts to everyone. I am more of a flash remoting develop=
er,
> but I could always learn new stuff, I pick them up pretty fast. I=92m
looking
> for something that won=92t be super expensive though, I=92m 17 and don=92=
t have
a
> ton of money. I suppose I could buy a license and put it on my server, =
but
> that=92s kind of expensive. I don=92t think Adobe is licensing Flash Me=
dia
> Server 2 for educational purposes yet. Any ideas? Thanks!!!
>
>
>
> --
> Sam Purtill
> ......................................................
> Account Manager / Senior Flash Developer
> Email: sam-hT1xsAL+B1ejfpyLsbbDOw@public.gmane.org
> Phone: (530) 417 0874
> Google Talk: sdpurtill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> Skype: sdpurtill
> okapistudio.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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6
>
>
>
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Asa Whillock

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

I'm going to say something I usually don't do here, but I don't really
appreciate this post. This is a FlashCom forum, and to discourage
someone from using it isn't, in this engineer's opinion, appropriate.
If you think that someone can benefit from one of our competitors, then
it would be nice to highlight this for them as a potential option, not
discourage them from the use of FMS. =20

Competition is one thing, and I for one encourage it, it's the software
way - but I don't like the idea of posters discouraging new users from
FMS before they've even tried it.

Asa

-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Thijs
Triemstra
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:28 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host

The developer edit it has a capacity ceiling of no more than 10=20
simultaneous users and prohibits use for in production via the end-user=20
license agreement, making it useless in any business model.

Thijs
..
James Wrubel schreef:
> Sam,
>
> You can always use the free developer edition to at least prototype
your application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you
probably envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the
platform with some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending on
your business model. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth
and user concurrency it supports. I am not sure what those values are,
but maybe someone on the list does.
>
> Free developer version:
>
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...flashmediaserv=
e
r
>
> Apologies if you already knew about the developer version but not
everyone does.
>
> Jim
>
> Sam Purtill wrote:
> =20
Server.[vbcol=seagreen]
logged in[vbcol=seagreen]
video[vbcol=seagreen]
developer,[vbcol=seagreen]
looking[vbcol=seagreen]
have a[vbcol=seagreen]
server, but[vbcol=seagreen]
Media[vbcol=seagreen]
4/25/2006[vbcol=seagreen]
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Kevin Day

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

On Apr 26, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Asa Whillock wrote:

> I'm going to say something I usually don't do here, but I don't really
> appreciate this post. This is a FlashCom forum, and to discourage
> someone from using it isn't, in this engineer's opinion, appropriate.
> If you think that someone can benefit from one of our competitors, =20
> then
> it would be nice to highlight this for them as a potential option, not
> discourage them from the use of FMS.
>
> Competition is one thing, and I for one encourage it, it's the =20
> software
> way - but I don't like the idea of posters discouraging new users from
> FMS before they've even tried it.
>
> Asa

I agree wholeheartedly, but I don't think that's exactly what was =20
said though....

The original poster asked about deploying FMS for some real use =20
(multiple people in chat, video feed, etc).

A bunch of replies came in about using the Developer edition, which =20
Thijs pointed out isn't allowed to be used anywhere near "production" =20=

- only for internal development.

http://www.macromedia.com/software/...productinfo/=20
pricing/ says "The Developer Edition should not be used in =20
production environments."

The EULA says: =93Developer Version=94 means a version of the Software, =20=

so identified, to be used internally only and solely for the purposes =20=

of design, development and evaluation.

Also: You shall not (A) use the Developer Version for any application =20=

deployment in a live or stand-by production environment or staging =20
environment, in each case, including, without limitation, in any =20
environment accessed by application end-users including but not =20
limited to servers, workstations, kiosks, and mobile computers , (B) =20
use or deploy the Developer Version other than internally for the =20
sole purpose of designing, developing, and evaluating applications =20
pursuant to the terms and conditions set forth in this EULA, (C) =20
access the Developer Version from more than a single IP address at =20
any given time, or, only if you are using the Developer Version of =20
Macromedia Flash Media Server or Macromedia Flex, from more than five =20=

IP addresses at any given time, (D) use the Developer Version to =20
deploy applications that are accessed by end users

We had an idea for a FMS application, and wanted to trial it using =20
the Developer edition with a tiny number of live users to see if it =20
was well accepted before buying a Pro license. We were told very =20
bluntly by Macromedia that any attempt to deploy the developer =20
edition in a way that non-employees of our company could see would =20
unleash the wrath of Macromedia's legal department. Even if it was =20
temporary. Even if it was a trial just to see if we could justify =20
buying more Pro licenses.

Now, I know Thijs was pushing Red5 as an alternative, but I don't =20
think he was trying to discourage anyone from even trying FMS... I =20
think he was just making sure the EULA terms were noted.

Asa, what is Macromedia/Adobe's official position on the Developer =20
edition being used for tiny projects like this? Does the EULA stand, =20
or can we really use the Developer edition for single instances like =20
you're recommending?

If you still say we can, am I able to say "But Asa said!!!" if an =20
army of lawyers appears at my doorstep?

Thijs Triemstra

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

I was not discouraging anyone, it was just a copy-paste of the text you
find on top of the trials download page, with the addition of 'making it
(the dev edition) useless in any business model'. I know it might sound
discouraging but these are just facts aren't they?

And I didn't know we are allowed to use the developer edition on
'non-professional' sites, thanks for pointing that out, perhaps you
should add that info to the trial downloads page..

Thijs

Asa Whillock schreef:
> I'm going to say something I usually don't do here, but I don't really
> appreciate this post. This is a FlashCom forum, and to discourage
> someone from using it isn't, in this engineer's opinion, appropriate.
> If you think that someone can benefit from one of our competitors, then
> it would be nice to highlight this for them as a potential option, not
> discourage them from the use of FMS.
>
> Competition is one thing, and I for one encourage it, it's the software
> way - but I don't like the idea of posters discouraging new users from
> FMS before they've even tried it.
>
> Asa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Thijs
> Triemstra
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:28 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host
>
> The developer edit it has a capacity ceiling of no more than 10
> simultaneous users and prohibits use for in production via the end-user
> license agreement, making it useless in any business model.
>
> Thijs
> .
> James Wrubel schreef:
>
> your application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you
> probably envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the
> platform with some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending on
> your business model. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth
> and user concurrency it supports. I am not sure what those values are,
> but maybe someone on the list does.
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...flashmediaserve
> r
>
> everyone does.
>
> Server.
>
> logged in
>
> video
>
> developer,
>
> looking
>
> have a
>
> server, but
>
> Media
>
> 4/25/2006
>
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Asa Whillock

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

A few people have asked me for clarification here, and I'll try and do
so.

1) The first few emails I saw on this struck me as trying to dissuade a
new user from using FMS and instead push Red5. As a proud developer of
FMS I felt inclined to speak up about this. I stand by my email, but if
that wasn't the intention of the earlier posts, then my retort was
needless and moot.

2) The developer edition:

The EULA is strict, as it has to be - but try and understand and follow
the spirit of the EULA and everything will be fine. I realize that you
can't sell my assurances to gangs of lawyers who shut down your site,
but I think it needs to be understood that the gangs of lawyers aren't
coming if you understand what the developer license is about.

I'm no lawyer, and anything I say here is likely to get me a stern reply
from our lawyers or product teams or what not. However the reason why
that clause is in there isn't to prevent you from putting a toe on the
web and not giving Adobe money - it's a relative measure. =20

Anyone testing or developing a site these days needs a web presence and
we're aware of that. This is designed so that a large professional site
doesn't do something nutty like run a cluster of development servers to
make money off of. I know it sounds wacky, but it could happen, and if
it's not in the EULA - we're SOL when they do. =20

Again I'm no lawyer, but given Adobe's track record and how much money
is at stake, namely very little in this case - I would say that one's
unlikely to get sued on this one for using a developer edition on the
web to test the product. If the language in the EULA is too strict then
I'll try to speak up about that at the next release, but that's all the
common sense I can drop on the subject at the moment. =20

That's all for now - happy hunting kids,
Asa

-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Thijs
Triemstra
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:14 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host

I was not discouraging anyone, it was just a copy-paste of the text you=20
find on top of the trials download page, with the addition of 'making it

(the dev edition) useless in any business model'. I know it might sound=20
discouraging but these are just facts aren't they?

And I didn't know we are allowed to use the developer edition on=20
'non-professional' sites, thanks for pointing that out, perhaps you=20
should add that info to the trial downloads page..

Thijs

Asa Whillock schreef:
> I'm going to say something I usually don't do here, but I don't really
> appreciate this post. This is a FlashCom forum, and to discourage
> someone from using it isn't, in this engineer's opinion, appropriate.
> If you think that someone can benefit from one of our competitors,
then
> it would be nice to highlight this for them as a potential option, not
> discourage them from the use of FMS. =20
>
> Competition is one thing, and I for one encourage it, it's the
software
> way - but I don't like the idea of posters discouraging new users from
> FMS before they've even tried it.
>
> Asa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Thijs
> Triemstra
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:28 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host
>
> The developer edit it has a capacity ceiling of no more than 10=20
> simultaneous users and prohibits use for in production via the
end-user=20
> license agreement, making it useless in any business model.
>
> Thijs
> .
> James Wrubel schreef:
> =20
> your application - I know it might not scale to the level of use you
> probably envision, but hopefully you could cover your costs for the
> platform with some combination of licensing or ad revenue, depending
on
> your business model. The free version is constrained in the bandwidth
> and user concurrency it supports. I am not sure what those values are,
> but maybe someone on the list does.
> =20
>
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...flashmediaserv=
e
> r
> =20
> everyone does.
> =20
> Server.
> =20
> logged in
> =20
a[vbcol=seagreen]
> video
> =20
> developer,
> =20
> looking
> =20
> have a
> =20
> server, but
> =20
> Media
> =20
> 4/25/2006
> =20
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Dario De Agostini

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

By the way... no one tells that Red5 is still MUCH inferior than fms
from ANY point of view.

so, if you don't want more headaches than what you will get anyway,
please use fms

which is, despite licensing, a very good product.

Dario De Agostini
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Stefan Richter

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

I wonder if Asa was referring to the Red5 reply, not the EULA reply.

As far as Red5 is concerned I can see Asa's point. But while this list is
indeed called Flashcomm it is not run by Adobe and it can be expected that
other products, competing or not, are mentioned here.

In regards to the EULA I can tell you that what Adobe Legal tells you goes
further than what Asa posts here. It would be great if what Asa says about
the use of the FMS Dev Edition is correct but until the EULA states these
points you won't have a leg to stand on legally. The EULA is unfortunately
very clear in that way. Therefore we're getting mixed messages which is not
good.

Finally, Sam: if you need a testing environment for your apps then please
email me offlist and I will allocate you some space on my server free of
charge. I like to encourage new developers to use the platform.

If you need professional FMS hosting then I can wholeheartedly recommend the
following companies (in no particular order):
www.influxis.com
www.moremx.com
www.uvault.com
www.netmasters.nl

Best wishes,

Stefan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of
> Thijs Triemstra
> Sent: 26 April 2006 23:14
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host
>
> I was not discouraging anyone, it was just a copy-paste of
> the text you find on top of the trials download page, with
> the addition of 'making it (the dev edition) useless in any
> business model'. I know it might sound discouraging but these
> are just facts aren't they?
>
> And I didn't know we are allowed to use the developer edition
> on 'non-professional' sites, thanks for pointing that out,
> perhaps you should add that info to the trial downloads page..
>
> Thijs
>
> Asa Whillock schreef:
> don't really
> appropriate.
> discouraging new
> of use you
> depending
> what those
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/t...t=flashmediaser
> Flash Media
> can publish
> fast. I'm
> 17 and don't
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Kevin Day

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Asa Whillock wrote:

>
> 2) The developer edition:
>
> The EULA is strict, as it has to be - but try and understand and
> follow
> the spirit of the EULA and everything will be fine. I realize that
> you
> can't sell my assurances to gangs of lawyers who shut down your site,
> but I think it needs to be understood that the gangs of lawyers aren't
> coming if you understand what the developer license is about.
>
> I'm no lawyer, and anything I say here is likely to get me a stern
> reply
> from our lawyers or product teams or what not. However the reason why
> that clause is in there isn't to prevent you from putting a toe on the
> web and not giving Adobe money - it's a relative measure.
>
> Anyone testing or developing a site these days needs a web presence
> and
> we're aware of that. This is designed so that a large professional
> site
> doesn't do something nutty like run a cluster of development
> servers to
> make money off of. I know it sounds wacky, but it could happen,
> and if
> it's not in the EULA - we're SOL when they do.
>
> Again I'm no lawyer, but given Adobe's track record and how much money
> is at stake, namely very little in this case - I would say that one's
> unlikely to get sued on this one for using a developer edition on the
> web to test the product. If the language in the EULA is too strict
> then
> I'll try to speak up about that at the next release, but that's all
> the
> common sense I can drop on the subject at the moment.
>
> That's all for now - happy hunting kids,
> Asa
>

If the goal of the developer restrictions is to stop people from
chaining a bunch of them together in production, then that's what the
EULA should say.

I appreciate your candor here, but several of us have been told the
exact opposite by others at Adobe. I believe we even have a letter
from the Macromedia General Counsel somewhere here saying that the
EULA terms about the Developer Edition means exactly what it says it
doesr, there is no budging, and yes - they mean it and will enforce
it. Including, but not limited to, revoking our paid licenses and/or
suing for damages.

There have been many cases where we would have loved to throw
together some ideas and post them for our customers to play with
before deciding if we wanted to actually release it. Forking over
$4500 for a license just to try something is out of the question, so
the Developer edition looked perfect to test things with.

A free/low cost way to get small things going before spending the
money on a license would probably result in us buying a lot more
licenses, too. The current restrictions on what we can do with it
completely rules that out though.

Any chance of convincing anyone to drop the "Developer" pretense
completely and just call it "FMS Lite" that's free, but limited to 10
clients? Your personal edition complaints are gone, bigger sites can
use it to flesh out new ideas, etc. Get people using it, then when
they hit the 10 client limit they'll have to buy.

Beto A

2006-04-27, 6:48 am

Asa,
=20
The EULA needs to explicitly define the terms you mentioned, as it stan=
ds I wouldn't think of putting it in production(especially with a client)=
..
=20
Cheers
Beto

Kevin Day <toasty-A9G4PF0S4yWzR313v1King@public.gmane.org> wrote:
=20
On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Asa Whillock wrote:

>
> 2) The developer edition:
>
> The EULA is strict, as it has to be - but try and understand and=20
> follow
> the spirit of the EULA and everything will be fine. I realize that=20
> you
> can't sell my assurances to gangs of lawyers who shut down your site,
> but I think it needs to be understood that the gangs of lawyers aren't
> coming if you understand what the developer license is about.
>
> I'm no lawyer, and anything I say here is likely to get me a stern=20
> reply
> from our lawyers or product teams or what not. However the reason why
> that clause is in there isn't to prevent you from putting a toe on the
> web and not giving Adobe money - it's a relative measure.
>
> Anyone testing or developing a site these days needs a web presence=20
> and
> we're aware of that. This is designed so that a large professional=20
> site
> doesn't do something nutty like run a cluster of development=20
> servers to
> make money off of. I know it sounds wacky, but it could happen,=20
> and if
> it's not in the EULA - we're SOL when they do.
>
> Again I'm no lawyer, but given Adobe's track record and how much money
> is at stake, namely very little in this case - I would say that one's
> unlikely to get sued on this one for using a developer edition on the
> web to test the product. If the language in the EULA is too strict=20
> then
> I'll try to speak up about that at the next release, but that's all=20
> the
> common sense I can drop on the subject at the moment.
>
> That's all for now - happy hunting kids,
> Asa
>

If the goal of the developer restrictions is to stop people from=20
chaining a bunch of them together in production, then that's what the=20
EULA should say.

I appreciate your candor here, but several of us have been told the=20
exact opposite by others at Adobe. I believe we even have a letter=20
from the Macromedia General Counsel somewhere here saying that the=20
EULA terms about the Developer Edition means exactly what it says it=20
doesr, there is no budging, and yes - they mean it and will enforce=20
it. Including, but not limited to, revoking our paid licenses and/or=20
suing for damages.

There have been many cases where we would have loved to throw=20
together some ideas and post them for our customers to play with=20
before deciding if we wanted to actually release it. Forking over=20
$4500 for a license just to try something is out of the question, so=20
the Developer edition looked perfect to test things with.

A free/low cost way to get small things going before spending the=20
money on a license would probably result in us buying a lot more=20
licenses, too. The current restrictions on what we can do with it=20
completely rules that out though.

Any chance of convincing anyone to drop the "Developer" pretense=20
completely and just call it "FMS Lite" that's free, but limited to 10=20
clients? Your personal edition complaints are gone, bigger sites can=20
use it to flesh out new ideas, etc. Get people using it, then when=20
they hit the 10 client limit they'll have to buy.

Sam Purtill

2006-04-27, 1:12 pm

Thank you for the plethora of responses on this! I am going to use the
developer edition, and if MM comes and tells me to shut it down, (even
though Asa said it was ok :P), I'll just go and get some hosting from
Influxis or some other 3rd party host. Thanks!

--
Cheers/Sam
=20
=20
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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Beto A
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:14 AM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] Finding a host

Asa,
=20
The EULA needs to explicitly define the terms you mentioned, as it =
stands
I wouldn't think of putting it in production(especially with a client).
=20
Cheers
Beto

Kevin Day <toasty-A9G4PF0S4yWzR313v1King@public.gmane.org> wrote:
=20
On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Asa Whillock wrote:

>
> 2) The developer edition:
>
> The EULA is strict, as it has to be - but try and understand and=20
> follow
> the spirit of the EULA and everything will be fine. I realize that=20
> you
> can't sell my assurances to gangs of lawyers who shut down your site,
> but I think it needs to be understood that the gangs of lawyers aren't
> coming if you understand what the developer license is about.
>
> I'm no lawyer, and anything I say here is likely to get me a stern=20
> reply
> from our lawyers or product teams or what not. However the reason why
> that clause is in there isn't to prevent you from putting a toe on the
> web and not giving Adobe money - it's a relative measure.
>
> Anyone testing or developing a site these days needs a web presence=20
> and
> we're aware of that. This is designed so that a large professional=20
> site
> doesn't do something nutty like run a cluster of development=20
> servers to
> make money off of. I know it sounds wacky, but it could happen,=20
> and if
> it's not in the EULA - we're SOL when they do.
>
> Again I'm no lawyer, but given Adobe's track record and how much money
> is at stake, namely very little in this case - I would say that one's
> unlikely to get sued on this one for using a developer edition on the
> web to test the product. If the language in the EULA is too strict=20
> then
> I'll try to speak up about that at the next release, but that's all=20
> the
> common sense I can drop on the subject at the moment.
>
> That's all for now - happy hunting kids,
> Asa
>

If the goal of the developer restrictions is to stop people from=20
chaining a bunch of them together in production, then that's what the=20
EULA should say.

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