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| Evil Raphy 2005-07-05, 2:45 am |
| i had at one time vonage, but i was on cable,now i switch yo verizon DSL
and they are teling me that i cant have DSL stand alone,i have to get at
least local service in order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it
true?or do i have to goback to cable? and what about people that whant
to use cell insted of a land line?any comments please? thank's Raphy
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| Phil Thompson 2005-07-05, 7:45 am |
| On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 03:42:16 GMT, Evil Raphy <EvilRaphy@verizon.net>
wrote:
>and what about people that whant
>to use cell insted of a land line?any comments please?
in many countries you can't get a landline without a basic telephone
service included. So having DSL necessitates having a landline
service.
You don't need to plug a telephone in or use it, but the cost may be
uncompetitive compared to cable.
A similar situation might arise if you didn't want a CableTV service
but wanted their high speed internet servcie.
Phil
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| Evil Raphy wrote:
> i had at one time vonage, but i was on cable,now i switch yo verizon DSL
> and they are teling me that i cant have DSL stand alone,i have to get at
> least local service in order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it
> true?or do i have to goback to cable? and what about people that whant
> to use cell insted of a land line?any comments please? thank's Raphy
you have to see if in your erea there is anyone who offers "naked DSL",
that is DSL on the wire without an active dialtone from your telco.
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| John S. 2005-07-05, 7:45 am |
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"Evil Raphy" <EvilRaphy@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>i had at one time vonage, but i was on cable,now i switch yo verizon DSL
>and they are teling me that i cant have DSL stand alone,i have to get at
>least local service in order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it
>true?or do i have to goback to cable? and what about people that whant to
>use cell insted of a land line?any comments please? thank's Raphy
Here in the states, I don't know about other countries, DSL is a tarrifed
ADD ON to local phone service. So, yes you do have to have a local line in
addition to the DSL. No local line, nothing to ADD to.
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| Miguel Cruz 2005-07-05, 7:45 am |
| John S. <john@mocha-n-micro-chips.com> wrote:
> Here in the states, I don't know about other countries, DSL is a tarrifed
> ADD ON to local phone service. So, yes you do have to have a local line in
> addition to the DSL. No local line, nothing to ADD to.
You can get DSL without dialtone in plenty of places in the USA.
miguel
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| Kyler Laird 2005-07-05, 8:45 pm |
| Evil Raphy <EvilRaphy@verizon.net> writes:
>i had at one time vonage, but i was on cable,now i switch yo verizon DSL
>and they are teling me that i cant have DSL stand alone,i have to get at
>least local service in order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it
>true?
I was told a long time ago that DSL would always require a POTS
line. It's a bunch of crap. Check out SpeakEasy.
http://speakeasy.net/
They have "OneLink" plans that don't require POTS. (I'm hoping
they'll come to my area!)
--kyler
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| Phil Thompson 2005-07-06, 2:45 am |
| On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:17:02 GMT, Kyler Laird <Kyler@news.Lairds.org>
wrote:
>I was told a long time ago that DSL would always require a POTS
>line. It's a bunch of crap. Check out SpeakEasy.
> http://speakeasy.net/
>They have "OneLink" plans that don't require POTS.
but it uses a phone line ! DSL always has a line, that's what the L
stands for.
It may not involve having a telephone service but it "connects into
your phone jack (Speakeasy pays the phone company for this)"
Artists !
Phil
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| ukcats4218016@yahoo.com 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| I think this is an issue where you are going to get people arguing both
sides becuase there may not be full understanding of the technology or
abbreviations. I believe with DSL, you need a landline, but with
cable, you do not. I too though am not 100% sure about that.
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| wkearney99 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| > > Here in the states, I don't know about other countries, DSL is a
tarrifed
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>
> You can get DSL without dialtone in plenty of places in the USA.
And usually at a higher price.
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| Miguel Cruz 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| Phil Thompson <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Kyler Laird <Kyler@news.Lairds.org> wrote:
>
> but it uses a phone line ! DSL always has a line, that's what the L
> stands for.
Nope. POTS and DSL are both services that work across a pair of copper wires
(such as, but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"). You can have one
service or the other or both.
miguel
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| sinsrus@hotmail.com 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
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> Nope. POTS and DSL are both services that work across a pair of copper wires
> (such as, but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"). You can have one
> service or the other or both.
>
> miguel
> --
> Hit The Road! Photos from 36 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
> Latest photos: Queens Day in Amsterdam; the Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan
People confused about tech, regulations and company policy.
> but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"
Yes. But what else there that connects to your home with a telecom
equipment? Are you going to put another pair of copper wires to most
homes?
In reality, DSL runs over phone line. The phone company owns the phone
to your home. Any one wants to use it has to pay. Either you pay your
phone company directly or anohter service provider pays the phone
company to use the phone line.
It seems the originator's phone company has a policy to bundle DSL and
POTS.
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| Miguel Cruz 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| <sinsrus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> In reality, DSL runs over phone line. The phone company owns the phone
> to your home. Any one wants to use it has to pay. Either you pay your
> phone company directly or anohter service provider pays the phone
> company to use the phone line.
As one counterexample, I've been involved in several installations that
involved connecting buildings using pairs of DSL modems over copper wire
purchased from electrical supply shops.
miguel
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| James Calivar 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:17:02 GMT, Kyler Laird <Kyler@news.Lairds.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> but it uses a phone line ! DSL always has a line, that's what the L
> stands for.
>
Actually, the "L" stands for "loop". Digital Subscriber Loop.
> It may not involve having a telephone service but it "connects into
> your phone jack (Speakeasy pays the phone company for this)"
>
> Artists !
>
> Phil
Yes - DSL requires the use of twisted pair, which is the same *physical*
medium used by POTS. But you *don't* have to have POTS operational in your
home to use DSL. They are simply two separate technologies that happen to
use the same medium.
James
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| sinsrus@hotmail.com 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| So what?
As I said in my first message: are you going to install another pair of
wires to every single home in the land?
You can reinvent wheel if you like. Nobody cares.
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| Miguel Cruz 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| <sinsrus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> As I said in my first message: are you going to install another pair of
> wires to every single home in the land?
There is already a pair of wires to almost every single home in the land.
What's your point? (it might help if you didn't trim out all context)
miguel
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| sinsrus@hotmail.com 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| >>As one counterexample,
I think the confusion started from this "counterexample," You better
explain the point of counterexample.
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| ukcats4218016@yahoo.com wrote:
> I think this is an issue where you are going to get people arguing both
> sides becuase there may not be full understanding of the technology or
> abbreviations. I believe with DSL, you need a landline, but with
> cable, you do not. I too though am not 100% sure about that.
>
Well, to demystify you here it is: with DSL you don't need a
dialtone/landline account IF your area allows it. It is called "naked
DSL" in some areas but depends on the state/province/city you're in
(yeah, I covered US & Canada on that one).
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| Kyler Laird 2005-07-06, 5:45 pm |
| Phil Thompson <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> writes:
>On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:17:02 GMT, Kyler Laird <Kyler@news.Lairds.org>
>wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>but it uses a phone line !
Congratulations.
If they original question (which I quoted and you snipped and
apparently ignored) had been "i have to get at least a line in
order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it true?" instead
of "i have to get at least local service in order to use voip on
there DSL,my question, is it true?" you might have provided some
useful information.
>DSL always has a line, that's what the L
>stands for.
There was a time when it meant "loop".
--kyler
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| Marc Popek 2005-07-19, 2:45 am |
| DSL,; Uses the wires, phone lines communicate on.
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"Kyler Laird" <Kyler@news.Lairds.org> wrote in message
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> Phil Thompson <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> writes:
>
>
>
>
> Congratulations.
>
> If they original question (which I quoted and you snipped and
> apparently ignored) had been "i have to get at least a line in
> order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it true?" instead
> of "i have to get at least local service in order to use voip on
> there DSL,my question, is it true?" you might have provided some
> useful information.
>
>
> There was a time when it meant "loop".
>
> --kyler
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