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Sipgate now accepts PayPal
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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Sipgate are now accepting PayPal payments for account credits. It's not
yet possible for the shop part of the site, but should be soon.
Thought this might be useful to someone.
Ivor
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| meggahurtz 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> Thought this might be useful to someone.
>
> Ivor
>
Yep, Good news to me as I can only Use Bank transfer/Direct Debit and Paypal
allows me to fund them with Direct Debit as i don`t hold a credit card.
Cheers
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> Sipgate are now accepting PayPal payments for account credits. It's not
> yet possible for the shop part of the site, but should be soon.
>
> Thought this might be useful to someone.
>
> Ivor
How much cheaper than BT is Sipgate for a;
10 minute local rate call
10 minute national rate call
???
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"John" <privatemail76767564@private.net> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:40o3s2F1b8ttlU1@individual.net...
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> How much cheaper than BT is Sipgate for a;
>
> 10 minute local rate call
>
> 10 minute national rate call
>
> ???
There isn't really any such thing as a local or national rate call any
more, except in the minds of suppliers and users of 0845/0870/0871
numbers, but don't get me started on that one..!
See here for Sipgate's tariffs:
https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
> Sipgate are now accepting PayPal payments for account credits. It's not
> yet possible for the shop part of the site, but should be soon.
>
> Thought this might be useful to someone.
>
I would not touch Paypal with a bargepole if it was the only way to pay
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| Stevie 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"AD c" <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
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> I would not touch Paypal with a bargepole if it was the only way to pay
And your reason is?
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| Brian Gregory [UK] 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
| "meggahurtz" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>...
> Yep, Good news to me as I can only Use Bank transfer/Direct Debit and
> Paypal allows me to fund them with Direct Debit as i don`t hold a credit
> card.
>...
Is PayPal using Direct Debit still instant?
I recently had someone pay me with PayPal and PayPal themselves advised me I
had to wait several days for the payment to clear at his bank before
despatching the goods.
--
Brian Gregory. (In the UK)
ng@bgdsv.co.uk
To email me remove the letter vee.
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| meggahurtz 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"Brian Gregory [UK]" <ng@bgdsv.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Is PayPal using Direct Debit still instant?
Not anymore, it`s classed now as an "E-Cheque" which takes about 10 working
days to clear :0(
> I recently had someone pay me with PayPal and PayPal themselves advised me
> I had to wait several days for the payment to clear at his bank before
> despatching the goods.
Yeah that would of been an E-Cheque, Basically Paypal withdraws it from your
bank account (about 3 days later it`s out of your bank account) then hold
onto it for nearly 7 days before paying it into the receiving Paypal
account.
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| Stevie wrote:
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> And your reason is?
>
>
I know someone who had problems with Paypal, they was ripped off.
Also, you should try looking around the net, do a google for Paypal
problems and see what comes up.
A link to start you of. http://www.aboutpaypal.org/
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"meggahurtz" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Brian Gregory [UK]" <ng@bgdsv.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:26ednYgcr799sTreRVnyvw@pipex.net...
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> Not anymore, it`s classed now as an "E-Cheque" which
> takes about 10 working days to clear :0(
>
>
> Yeah that would of been an E-Cheque, Basically Paypal
> withdraws it from your bank account (about 3 days later
> it`s out of your bank account) then hold onto it for
> nearly 7 days before paying it into the receiving Paypal
> account.
Hmm, it's always been instant for me. Paid someone yesterday for something
bought on uk.adverts.telecom.mobile and it was straight through, I had a
confirmation email within a few minutes. I am a verified account holder
though, maybe that makes a difference.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"AD c" <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote in message
news:11qeao7lhmk3r53@corp.supernews.com
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> I would not touch Paypal with a bargepole if it was the
> only way to pay
Your choice, nobody's forcing it on you. It works for me.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "meggahurtz" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:DDGpf.17149$zt1.3090@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net
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> Hmm, it's always been instant for me. Paid someone yesterday for something
> bought on uk.adverts.telecom.mobile and it was straight through, I had a
> confirmation email within a few minutes. I am a verified account holder
> though, maybe that makes a difference.
>
> Ivor
>
>
Ive got a Verified Business Account but had to wait a few days to
receive a E-Cheque
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| meggahurtz 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> Hmm, it's always been instant for me. Paid someone yesterday for something
> bought on uk.adverts.telecom.mobile and it was straight through, I had a
> confirmation email within a few minutes. I am a verified account holder
> though, maybe that makes a difference.
>
> Ivor
>
I should imagine you also have a Credit Card on file ;0)
I don`t so Paypal obviously want to make sure they don`t lose out.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"meggahurtz" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:40orocF1bip9gU1@individual.net...
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> I should imagine you also have a Credit Card on file ;0)
No, only a debit card. It links to the same bank account as I use for my
primary means of payment.
> I don`t so Paypal obviously want to make sure they don`t
> lose out.
Ivor
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| Stevie 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
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"AD c" <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Stevie wrote:
> I know someone who had problems with Paypal, they was ripped off.
>
> Also, you should try looking around the net, do a google for Paypal
> problems and see what comes up.
>
Never had any issues here yet after 3 years or so and man many transactions.
Not a single issue.
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| Thomas Rankin 2005-12-19, 5:45 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "meggahurtz" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:%TGpf.40546$7p5.8418@newsfe4-win.ntli.net
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> No, only a debit card. It links to the same bank account as I use for my
> primary means of payment.
>
I don't know if this is relevant, but some debit cards (all Visa Deltas
for example), have a guaranteed credit facility (or at least always used
to).
Basically it guarantees the merchant a certain amount of money on the
transaction (usually £50), so any transaction under that amount, doesn't
need instant authorisation from a merchant services provider.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-12-19, 8:45 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:50:28 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>"AD c" <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:11qeao7lhmk3r53@corp.supernews.com
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>Your choice, nobody's forcing it on you. It works for me.
>
>Ivor
>
Funny how you always seem to approve of dodgy companies Ivor .
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| Martin² 2005-12-19, 8:45 pm |
| What is the point of E-Cheque ?
Paypal works just fine, but if the sender pays by credit card you get
stiffed with the charges without knowing that in advance.
Regards,
Martin
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
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> Your choice, nobody's forcing it on you. It works for me.
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> Ivor
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I know it is my choice.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Funny how you always seem to approve of dodgy companies Ivor .
Don't start,
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| Stevie wrote:
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> Never had any issues here yet after 3 years or so and man many transactions.
> Not a single issue.
>
Maybe not, maybe you are lucky, but I do not think I would risk it, but
then I would not risk buying anything of Ebay, who owns paypal.
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| On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:40:36 +0000, AD c <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote:
>Stevie wrote:
>I know someone who had problems with Paypal, they was ripped off.
I know people who have had problems with banks, but I still use them.
--
Peter
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| On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:05:49 +0000, AD c <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote:
>Stevie wrote:
>
>Maybe not, maybe you are lucky, but I do not think I would risk it, but
>then I would not risk buying anything of Ebay, who owns paypal.
So you don't use Paypal, you don't use eBay - do you ever leave your
house?
--
Peter
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| Brian Gregory [UK] 2005-12-20, 7:45 am |
| "Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
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> What is the point of E-Cheque ?
>
> Paypal works just fine, but if the sender pays by credit card you get
> stiffed with the charges without knowing that in advance.
> Regards,
> Martin
With PayPal charges are always deducted no matter where the money comes
from.
You know this if you pay attention when signing up.
--
Brian Gregory. (In the UK)
ng@bgdsv.co.uk
To email me remove the letter vee.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-12-20, 7:45 am |
| On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:47:57 +0000, Peter
<peter.thomasINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:05:49 +0000, AD c <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote:
>
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>So you don't use Paypal, you don't use eBay - do you ever leave your
>house?
I don't and will not use either paypal or ebay and I am also very
reluctant to use a credit card over the net or telephone. If you want
to risk loosing money by using these services it is up to you and just
because some of us do not go giving our personal details to the world
and has Brother it doesn't mean to say we don't go out .
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| themgt 2005-12-20, 5:45 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:55:13 -0000
"Stevie" <stevie7644@mail2me.net> wrote:
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> "AD c" <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:11qeao7lhmk3r53@corp.supernews.com...
>
> And your reason is?
I've always balked at agreeing to have my bank details stored on a server in the US.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
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> I don't and will not ... go out .
And why should he! ;)
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-12-20, 5:45 pm |
| On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:52:52 +0000, davew
<daviey.walker*SPAM*virgin.net> wrote:
>Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
>And why should he! ;)
I did not write any of the above .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
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> I am also very reluctant to use a ... telephone.
Dex, i'm sorry if you feel misquoted. I just snipped some to make the
post shorter.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-20, 5:45 pm |
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<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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4ax.com
[snip]
> Funny how you always seem to approve of dodgy companies
> Ivor .
I can't speak against a company if I haven't had a bad experience with
them, can I..? I believe in going by personal experience not taking other
people's word for something. I have had no problems with eBay, PayPal or
any other company that you may have in mind. If I had, believe me I would
tell you in no uncertain terms.
Ivor
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| Peter wrote:
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> I know people who have had problems with banks, but I still use them.
>
In this day and age it is very difficult to manage without a bank account.
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| Peter wrote:
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> So you don't use Paypal, you don't use eBay - do you ever leave your
> house?
>
What have that got to do with not using ebay or Paypal?
I do leave my house, I got to go to work for a start.
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| themgt wrote:
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> I've always balked at agreeing to have my bank details stored on a server in the US.
The U.s and privacy should never be used in the same sentence. You are
right, I also would not put my bank details on a server in the states
either.
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
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> I can't speak against a company if I haven't had a bad experience with
> them, can I..? I believe in going by personal experience not taking other
> people's word for something. I have had no problems with eBay, PayPal or
> any other company that you may have in mind. If I had, believe me I would
> tell you in no uncertain terms.
>
I can't afford to lose money, which is why I tend to stay clear of
companies that have so many problems.
I was going to change to bulldog, which is why I was looking at
Freetalk, but after all the crap about Bulldog, I decided not to bother.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-20, 5:45 pm |
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"AD c" <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
> I can't afford to lose money, which is why I tend to stay
> clear of companies that have so many problems.
>
> I was going to change to bulldog, which is why I was
> looking at Freetalk, but after all the crap about
> Bulldog, I decided not to bother.
Up to you. As I said, I prefer to evaluate things personally and make
informed decisions.
Ivor
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| so what 2005-12-20, 8:45 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:02:05 -0000, Ivor Jones said:
>Sipgate are now accepting PayPal payments for account credits.
So what?
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| Martin² 2005-12-21, 2:45 am |
| Peter:
>So you (AD c) don't use Paypal, you don't use eBay - do you ever leave your
>house?
Since he won't use eBay he HAS to !
Regards,
Martin
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| Martin² 2005-12-21, 2:45 am |
| Brian Gregory:
>With PayPal charges are always deducted no matter where the money comes
>from.
>You know this if you pay attention when signing up.
WRONG ! I get the ALL the money if the buyer pays using either credit on
his/hers Paypal account or from their bank account.
(Perhaps you thinking of the eBay fees ?)
Regards,
Martin
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| Martin² 2005-12-21, 2:45 am |
| themgt:
> I've always balked at agreeing to have my bank details stored on a server
> in the US.
AD c:
>The U.s and privacy should never be used in the same sentence. You are
>right, I also would not put my bank details on a server in the states
>either.
So how do guys feel about having your banking / DD's processed in India ?
(And you may even not know about it...)
Regards,
Martin
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| Bradford India 2005-12-21, 7:45 am |
| On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:18:34 -0000, Martin² wrote:
>So how do guys feel about having your banking / DD's processed in India ?
No different from Brixton or Bradford.
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| Thomas Rankin 2005-12-21, 7:45 am |
| AD c wrote:
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> I can't afford to lose money, which is why I tend to stay clear of
> companies that have so many problems.
>
> I was going to change to bulldog, which is why I was looking at
> Freetalk, but after all the crap about Bulldog, I decided not to bother.
With me, it's fair to say there were a few teething problems when I
signed up to bulldog (not this internet connection) but I didn't nearly
have the same amount of trouble as I had with demon. (line would stop
working once a week for 2 days for a few months).
And it's fair to say that sometimes their billing system gets a bit
cocked up (forgetting line rental offer refunds one month then paying
them back the next and the like). But they've never tried to bill me for
a years subscription three months on the trot even though I am a monthly
payer, or are they taking money 5 or 6 months down the line after I
cancelled an account. (guess who).
So I think that comparatively bulldog have been pretty good, especially
since I'm a hell of adistance away from the exchange and I can still
sync at 7.5MBit.
Of course since bulldog don't commit you to a contract, (well, a one
month contract), It doesn't really hurt to try.
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| Brian Gregory [UK] 2005-12-21, 5:45 pm |
| <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3vtfq1dqndaight0l60fodquqk2qbkfk8k@
4ax.com...
>...
> I don't and will not use either paypal or ebay and I am also very
> reluctant to use a credit card over the net or telephone. If you want
> to risk loosing money by using these services it is up to you and just
> because some of us do not go giving our personal details to the world
> and has Brother it doesn't mean to say we don't go out .
>...
So phoning your credit card company to let them know a fraudulent
transaction had taken place and then signing a statement saying it wasn't
you is too difficult for you?
--
Brian Gregory. (In the UK)
ng@bgdsv.co.uk
To email me remove the letter vee.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-12-21, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:58:25 -0000, "Brian Gregory [UK]"
<ng@bgdsv.co.uk> wrote:
>So phoning your credit card company to let them know a fraudulent
>transaction had taken place and then signing a statement saying it wasn't
>you is too difficult for you?
No ! it is just that I like to avoid unnecessary hassle just has I
avoid the hassle of paying parking fines and speeding tickets by
only parking in the correct places and ALWAYS keeping to the correct
speed limits much to the annoyance of many people who like to do 40
MPH within a 30 limits .
One can get to much hassle these days without going looking for it .
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| Ivor Jones 2005-12-21, 5:45 pm |
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"so what" <me@home.invalid> wrote in message
news:43a8a732.25608625@news.usenetzone.com
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:02:05 -0000, Ivor Jones said:
>
>
> So what?
So nothing, merely passing on information, as that is one of the functions
of this and other newsgroups. Do with it what you will.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
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>
> Up to you. As I said, I prefer to evaluate things personally and make
> informed decisions.
>
I prefer not to lose money.
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| Martin² wrote:
>
>
> So how do guys feel about having your banking / DD's processed in India ?
> (And you may even not know about it...)
Not happy about it at all really, but since we need a bank to do
anything these days, we have got little choice.
I do have a choice about using Ebay or Paypal
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| Thomas Rankin wrote:
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> With me, it's fair to say there were a few teething problems when I
> signed up to bulldog (not this internet connection) but I didn't nearly
> have the same amount of trouble as I had with demon. (line would stop
> working once a week for 2 days for a few months).
I am with Metronet at the moment, but they have been taken over by
Plusnet, which is why I have been looking for another ISP.
I thought about Bulldog, but then I remembered Watchdog and still see
that Bulldog have problems.
> And it's fair to say that sometimes their billing system gets a bit
> cocked up (forgetting line rental offer refunds one month then paying
> them back the next and the like). But they've never tried to bill me for
> a years subscription three months on the trot even though I am a monthly
> payer, or are they taking money 5 or 6 months down the line after I
> cancelled an account. (guess who).
Bulldog still seems to muck up their billing.
>
> So I think that comparatively bulldog have been pretty good, especially
> since I'm a hell of adistance away from the exchange and I can still
> sync at 7.5MBit.
That is pretty good, I am a fair distance from the exchange myself,
which is one of the reason I decided not to bother, the other reason was
moving the phone over to them. As much as I hate BT, at the moment, I
have got a choice of phone services (Homecall I use now)_, with Bulldog,
I would have to use their phone service and at their prices, unless I
went for VOIP.
>
> Of course since bulldog don't commit you to a contract, (well, a one
> month contract), It doesn't really hurt to try.
But then it is the hassle of changing back over and going back to BT
with cap in hand, then I would have to pay Bt line rental for 12 months,
because they will have locked me into a contract, which I think is
wrong. after all, I would not have a choice but to use BT lines again,
but why should I be locked into another 12 months contract? It is about
time Ofcom got off their fat behinds and done something for their living
and sorted this out.
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
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> So nothing, merely passing on information, as that is one of the functions
> of this and other newsgroups. Do with it what you will.
>
You are correct of cause and I would like to say think you, even if I do
not use them.
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| Brian Gregory [UK] 2005-12-21, 5:45 pm |
| "Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
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> WRONG ! I get the ALL the money if the buyer pays using either credit on
> his/hers Paypal account or from their bank account.
> (Perhaps you thinking of the eBay fees ?)
In November I received a £60 E-Cheque payment and PayPal deducted £2.24 fee.
Unfortunately details of the only other payment I have received using PayPal
seem to have been erased from the PayPal database so I can't confirm what
happened that time.
--
Brian Gregory. (In the UK)
ng@bgdsv.co.uk
To email me remove the letter vee.
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| Brian A 2005-12-21, 8:45 pm |
| On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:47:57 +0000, Peter
<peter.thomasINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:05:49 +0000, AD c <graphi@y.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>So you don't use Paypal, you don't use eBay - do you ever leave your
>house?
I wouldn't use Paypal either. I lost £136 through them and they
refused to compensate me. NO WAY would I use Paypal!!! NO WAY!!
They credited my account - I posted off an item. Then they said the
credit card was fraudulent and demanded the money back. The story is
much longer than that but I am going no further. BE WARNED!!
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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