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Sipgate Voicemail is CRAP
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| Hi,
I recently got myself a sipgate account, and the voicemail is pathetic!
Everytime you call it you get either a different voice, a german women, or a
mixture of two or three voices all on the same session. Whats the crack
here then?? What a F**K up...
Neil
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"Neil" <neil@nospam.thanks> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I recently got myself a sipgate account, and the voicemail is pathetic!
> Everytime you call it you get either a different voice, a german women, or
a
> mixture of two or three voices all on the same session. Whats the crack
> here then?? What a F**K up...
>
> Neil
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>
Dont worry they are working on it, But hey it free..;-)
(BTW the above is meant as sarcasm)
And getting studio recorded voices is too expensive for them
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| LanMan 2005-08-03, 5:45 pm |
| Ian wrote:
> "Neil" <neil@nospam.thanks> wrote in message
> news:3lcqfmF11p2egU1@individual.net...
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>
> a
>
>
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> Dont worry they are working on it, But hey it free..;-)
>
> (BTW the above is meant as sarcasm)
>
> And getting studio recorded voices is too expensive for them
>
And how anoyying is that voice that announces 'there has been and error'
when dialing half the time. He sounds like some chav trying to do BBC posh.
This company is so bad I've given up and left a fiver in my a/c as I
cannot put up with the problems any more. Trying vopifone now.
They should allow you to withdraw unspent cash or find a way to allow
you to donate to charity. I suspect this ain't a priority for them.
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| Neil M 2005-08-03, 5:45 pm |
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"LanMan" <lanman@noworkie.com> wrote in message
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>He sounds like some chav trying to do BBC posh.
Whats a Chav? Lanman
Neil
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| It is free, and I like the way it emails you the voice message as a
attachment, and you can record your own message.
"Neil" <neil@nospam.thanks> wrote in message
news:3lcqfmF11p2egU1@individual.net...
> Hi,
>
> I recently got myself a sipgate account, and the voicemail is pathetic!
> Everytime you call it you get either a different voice, a german women, or
> a mixture of two or three voices all on the same session. Whats the crack
> here then?? What a F**K up...
>
> Neil
>
>
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-03, 5:45 pm |
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"LanMan" <lanman@noworkie.com> wrote in message
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> Ian wrote:
[snip]
Not so much that as time consuming. There are over 140 separate
announcements to record..!
[vbcol=seagreen]
> And how anoyying is that voice that announces 'there has been and error'
> when dialing half the time. He sounds like some chav trying to do BBC
> posh.
Half the time..? As in 50%..? I have never heard this message in nearly 12
months of using Sipgate. By the law of averages I should have done a few
times by now.
> This company is so bad I've given up and left a fiver in my a/c as I
> cannot put up with the problems any more. Trying vopifone now.
I know people think I have some financial interest in Sipgate, but
honestly I don't..! But although I have had problems I haven't experienced
half the troubles that some people seem to.
> They should allow you to withdraw unspent cash or find a way to allow
> you to donate to charity. I suspect this ain't a priority for them.
A good idea..! Email them and suggest it..!
Ivor
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| George 2005-08-03, 5:45 pm |
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> Whats a Chav? Lanman
>
> Neil
A Chav - Known north of the border as a ned. They generally dress in
sportswear and Burberry. See the link below for more details!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
George
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| LanMan wrote:
> Ian wrote:
>
> And how anoyying is that voice that announces 'there has been and error'
> when dialing half the time. He sounds like some chav trying to do BBC posh.
>
> This company is so bad I've given up and left a fiver in my a/c as I
> cannot put up with the problems any more. Trying vopifone now.
>
> They should allow you to withdraw unspent cash or find a way to allow
> you to donate to charity. I suspect this ain't a priority for them.
>
Can you please email me? I want to have a chat to you about voipfone!
Thanks .. remove NOSPAM 
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| Neil M 2005-08-03, 5:45 pm |
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"George" <geodabass@hotORNOTmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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> A Chav - Known north of the border as a ned. They generally dress in
> sportswear and Burberry. See the link below for more details!
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
>
> George
Arrh, thanks for that George!
'male chav may sometimes be referred to as a chavster and a female as a
chavette'
I used to run a Vauxhall Chavette : )
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| Stuart Millington 2005-08-03, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:06:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>Not so much that as time consuming. There are over 140 separate
>announcements to record..!
Each lasting an average of, may be, 30 seconds max. That's 70 minutes
recording time per country... over a year+ you'd have thought that
they'd have gotten around to this instead of still presenting German
voicemail and error messages to UK users... ;-)
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| Dave Gill 2005-08-03, 5:45 pm |
| George <geodabass@hotORNOTmail.com> wrote:
> A Chav - Known north of the border as a ned. They generally dress in
> sportswear and Burberry. See the link below for more details!
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
You could also try:
http://www.cecimoz.co.uk/
;-)
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "LanMan" <lanman@noworkie.com> wrote in message
> news:3lcrn1F125hpkU1@individual.net...
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> [snip]
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>
> Not so much that as time consuming. There are over 140 separate
> announcements to record..!
Sorry Ivor that is total C*** , If they are apply to pay they can get them
done by the voice of Asterisk, and any way 140 words is nothing. Having had
to create IVRs with more phrases than that, it doesnt take long i can tell
you. and any way all the messages are there in any * sounds directory all
they need to do is learn to copy them over!!
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| On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:10:18 +0100, George wrote:
>A Chav - Known north of the border as a ned. They generally dress in
>sportswear and Burberry. See the link below for more details!
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
Thanks. In this newsgroup we call them a Dexter.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-04, 7:45 am |
| Al wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:10:18 +0100, George wrote:
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> Thanks. In this newsgroup we call them a Dexter.
ROTFLMAO..!
Ivor
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> Al wrote:
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> ROTFLMAO..!
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> Ivor
OOOooooofff I would stand for that Dex !
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-04, 8:45 pm |
| On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:23:57 +0100, "Ian" <spam"AT"bathfordhill.co.uk>
wrote:
>Dont worry they are working on it, But hey it free..;-)
And they will still be " working" on it in twenty years time .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-04, 8:45 pm |
| On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:36:55 +0100, LanMan <lanman@noworkie.com>
wrote:
>This company is so bad I've given up and left a fiver in my a/c as I
>cannot put up with the problems any more.
Personally I would not leave them a halfpence I am only using my
account now for 0845 and 0870 calls .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-04, 8:45 pm |
| On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:34:02 +0100, "Steve" <ste535553@nospam.thanks>
wrote:
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>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:3ldvseF129ladU1@individual.net...
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>OOOooooofff I would stand for that Dex !
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I do not take much notice now of a bloke who praises a company up to
the high heavens who's management could not organize a booze up in a
brewery .
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| On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 00:48:41 +0100, Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>I do not take much notice now of a bloke who praises a company up to
>the high heavens who's management could not organize a booze up in a
>brewery .
That's a good description of Dexter, the demon Vonage pusher.
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| bence_fab 2005-08-05, 5:45 pm |
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Ivor Jones wrote:
> "LanMan" <lanman@noworkie.com> wrote in message
> news:3lcrn1F125hpkU1@individual.net...
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> [snip]
>
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> Not so much that as time consuming. There are over 140 separate
> announcements to record..!
>
>
> Half the time..? As in 50%..? I have never heard this message in nearly 12
> months of using Sipgate. By the law of averages I should have done a few
> times by now.
>
>
> I know people think I have some financial interest in Sipgate, but
> honestly I don't..! But although I have had problems I haven't experienced
> half the troubles that some people seem to.
>
>
> A good idea..! Email them and suggest it..!
>
> Ivor
I don't usually post anything to these groups and usually prefer just
reading them but I have to say that in my opinion you are either a very
ignorant customer or simply a Sipgate employee. I have seen your posts
all over the place defending or arbitrarily praising Sipgate.
I have nothing against Sipgate personally but I do have to say their
service is simply not up to scratch but your attitude is really causing
harm and misconception out there. There are plenty of good providers in
the UK alone and I am not going to mention any for fear of being
accused of favoritism. You are potentially harming peoples attitude to
VoIP with the position that a half-baked, unprofessional communications
service can be acceptable. VoIP has moved on... There are providers out
there who take care to record the announcements in their voicemail
service, check that their outgoing calls work reasonably, take quality
seriously and take support seriously. Sipgate too busy with support
enquiries to always guarantee quality response?....tough. And you're
out here posing as a customer who's willing to live with a provider who
admit their service is not ready and is being sorted out?
I may be victimising you here but in my opinion you're simply a Sipgate
employee using Google Groups to promote the service so no level of
criticism is too great....pathetic. If you're not an employee, then
take my advice, seek VoIP service elsewhere cause there are plenty
offering a usable service. If all you're worried about is a free
service, then get yourself two cups of plastic and a string my friend.
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| Thomas Rankin 2005-08-05, 8:45 pm |
| bence_fab wrote:
>
> I don't usually post anything to these groups and usually prefer just
> reading them but I have to say that in my opinion you are either a very
> ignorant customer or simply a Sipgate employee. I have seen your posts
> all over the place defending or arbitrarily praising Sipgate.
>
He could have just genuinely not had a problem with them over the twelve
months.
I have only been using them a few months, but quite regularly (well, 387
minutes in the past 6 days to give you some idea), and I haven't had any
problems.
Mind you, my setup is probably not typical, the client that talks to
their servers is asterisk and it is not behind a firewall (so I don't
need to use their STUN server, although it is configured).
I don't use their voicemail service, I use the one inbuilt in asterisk.
I'm sure there service was probably not up to scratch before I started
using them (as is any new technology company, can anyone else remember
when to use the internet you had to choose either demon or pipex?), but
It's been fantastic here.
> I have nothing against Sipgate personally but I do have to say their
> service is simply not up to scratch but your attitude is really causing
> harm and misconception out there. There are plenty of good providers in
> the UK alone and I am not going to mention any for fear of being
> accused of favoritism> You are potentially harming peoples attitude to
> VoIP with the position that a half-baked, unprofessional communications
> service can be acceptable. VoIP has moved on... There are providers out
> there who take care to record the announcements in their voicemail
> service, check that their outgoing calls work reasonably, take quality
> seriously and take support seriously. Sipgate too busy with support
> enquiries to always guarantee quality response?....tough. And you're
> out here posing as a customer who's willing to live with a provider who
> admit their service is not ready and is being sorted out?
>
Which service, the voicemail? Do you prefer closed beta testing?
> I may be victimising you here but in my opinion you're simply a Sipgate
> employee using Google Groups to promote the service so no level of
> criticism is too great....pathetic.
This is usenet, there are always people that are insitant that the
product they use is the best, in the same way that Dexter thinks that
Vonage is fantastic. (I'm not arguing that they are or are not).
> If you're not an employee, then
> take my advice, seek VoIP service elsewhere cause there are plenty
> offering a usable service. If all you're worried about is a free
> service, then get yourself two cups of plastic and a string my friend.
>
Maybe he finds their service useable. I do.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-05, 8:45 pm |
| bence_fab wrote:
[snip]
> I don't usually post anything to these groups and usually prefer
> just reading them but I have to say that in my opinion you are
> either a very ignorant customer or simply a Sipgate employee. I
> have seen your posts all over the place defending or arbitrarily
> praising Sipgate.
I am satisfied with their service. If you are not, fine, go elsewhere,
nobody is stopping you..! If I want to defend them I will do so.
I've said before, I am not an employee and I have no financial or other
business interests in Sipgate. Believe me or do the other thing but I am
simply a customer who is by and large satisfied with the service. Yes they
have problems but so does everyone at some time or other.
> I have nothing against Sipgate personally but I do have to say their
> service is simply not up to scratch but your attitude is really
> causing harm and misconception out there. There are plenty of good
> providers in the UK alone and I am not going to mention any for
> fear of being accused of favoritism. You are potentially harming
> peoples attitude to VoIP with the position that a half-baked,
> unprofessional communications service can be acceptable.
If you consider it half baked and unprofessional that is your prerogative,
nobody is forcing you to use it. If anything, it is your statement that
they are half baked and unprofessional that could cause harm, causing
people to bypass them without giving them a fair trial. If someone tries
them and comes to that conclusion, so be it, but give them the chance to
try for themselves.
Like I said, there have been a few problems, but by and large I am happy
with the service. Believe me or don't, I couldn't care less.
> I may be victimising you here but in my opinion you're simply a
> Sipgate employee using Google Groups to promote the service so no
> level of criticism is too great....pathetic. If you're not an
> employee, then take my advice, seek VoIP service elsewhere cause
> there are plenty offering a usable service. If all you're worried
> about is a free service, then get yourself two cups of plastic and
> a string my friend.
Firstly, please don't worry that you are victimising me, I have a thick
skin and have taken much worse than anything you can give out.
Secondly I have used Google Groups once in my life, when I was on holiday
in the USA, so where you got that one from is a mystery to me.
Thirdly, I do not need or want your advice.
Lastly, I am very happy with my service and don't need your advice to go
elsewhere.
Ivor
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| bence_fab 2005-08-06, 7:45 am |
| Thomas Rankin wrote:
> bence_fab wrote:
>
> He could have just genuinely not had a problem with them over the twelve
> months.
If he hasn't had a problem in the last 12 months, great. But the level
of support he has shown in other posts and especially here with regard
to recording the announcements is just too much.
As an example, if someone's mobile provider constantly delivered bad
service because signal in their area was low I'd advise them to seek
another not assure them that they'll get it sorted out soon even though
I was getting good service from that provider in my area.
> Which service, the voicemail? Do you prefer closed beta testing?
>
Beta testing is one thing, but being unprepared is another.
> This is usenet, there are always people that are insitant that the
> product they use is the best, in the same way that Dexter thinks that
> Vonage is fantastic. (I'm not arguing that they are or are not).
>
> Maybe he finds their service useable. I do.
Fair enough, I just find the frequency of his support too strange. In
this particular case I just can't understand how a customer can defend
the way this voicemail service has been delivered.
It's still my opinion that said person is a Sipgate employee.
Recommending Sipgate and extolling their virtues is one thing. But
defending them at all costs and promoting is another. Of course this is
Usenet and everyone's free to express their opinion. I'm just
questioning the fervor with which he does it, that's all...it's too
weird.
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| Phil Thompson 2005-08-06, 7:45 am |
| On 6 Aug 2005 03:28:42 -0700, "bence_fab" <orsolyka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>It's still my opinion that said person is a Sipgate employee.
Ivor says this is not the case, but has admitted to some other
"connection" with Sipgate that he won't clarify. Perhaps he sleeps
with the CEO or something :-)
Phil
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| bence_fab 2005-08-06, 7:45 am |
| >>Secondly I have used Google Groups once in my life, when I was on holiday
in the USA, so where you got that one from is a mystery to me.
Is there another Ivor Jones then? cause when I look up the statistics
for this group here:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk...oip/about?hl=en
you are the all-time top user (granted, second-highest this month six
days in). That one time in your life must have been quite a big
session...
Honestly, maybe I confused you with another Ivor or I misunderstood
this statement of yours.
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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On 6 Aug 2005 03:28:42 -0700, "bence_fab" <orsolyka@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Ivor says this is not the case, but has admitted to some other
> "connection" with Sipgate that he won't clarify. Perhaps he sleeps
> with the CEO or something :-)
>
> Phil
> --
> Remember - Global Warming is only a weather forecast :-)
R U the one with the big nose??
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| Paul Cupis 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| bence_fab wrote:
> Is there another Ivor Jones then? cause when I look up the statistics
> for this group here:
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk...oip/about?hl=en
>
> you are the all-time top user (granted, second-highest this month six
> days in). That one time in your life must have been quite a big
> session...
>
> Honestly, maybe I confused you with another Ivor or I misunderstood
> this statement of yours.
I think that you are probabyl confused about what usenet is and how
Google Groups archives it, produces stats. The stats you've linked to
are about usage of uk.telecom.voip, not usage of Google Groups.
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| David Floyd 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| In message of Sat, 6 Aug 2005, bence_fab writes
>in the USA, so where you got that one from is a mystery to me.
>
>Is there another Ivor Jones then? cause when I look up the statistics
>for this group here:
>
>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk...oip/about?hl=en
>
>you are the all-time top user (granted, second-highest this month six
>days in). That one time in your life must have been quite a big
>session...
>
>Honestly, maybe I confused you with another Ivor or I misunderstood
>this statement of yours.
>
Your confusing Usenet with Google. People have various ways of reading
and posting to Newsgroups - I venture to say that most do not use Google
to do so. Just because you are using Google doesn't mean that everybody
who uses Usenet is posting with Google - far from it.
DF
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| bence_fab 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| I think that's beside the point. I simply pointed out that Ivor posts
about Sipgate frequently .Whether he uses the web or Usenet, I don't
really care.
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| Phil Thompson 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:38:36 GMT, "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>R U the one with the big nose??
I don't care, Ivor chose to tempt us with the snippet of information.
Phil
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| Phil Thompson 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| On 6 Aug 2005 05:22:34 -0700, "bence_fab" <orsolyka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Honestly, maybe I confused you with another Ivor or I misunderstood
>this statement of yours.
Ivor posts to Usenet newsgroups by whatever means, Google Groups
archives Usenet newsgroups and gives access to them, you use Google
Groups.
So Ivor is saying he doesn't use Google groups, but his output appears
on said service, which is where you see it.
So you're both right - he rarely uses it and you see his stuff on it
all the time.
Phil
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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:38:36 GMT, "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I don't care, Ivor chose to tempt us with the snippet of information.
>
http://www.walkonlfc.com/images/phil_thompson17t.jpg
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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On 6 Aug 2005 05:22:34 -0700, "bence_fab" <orsolyka@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Ivor posts to Usenet newsgroups by whatever means, Google Groups
> archives Usenet newsgroups and gives access to them, you use Google
> Groups.
>
> So Ivor is saying he doesn't use Google groups, but his output appears
> on said service, which is where you see it.
>
> So you're both right - he rarely uses it and you see his stuff on it
> all the time.
It also shows his limited knowledge of how Usenet works. Which explains his
continued posting of replys to spam, instead of ignoring them
Ian
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| Joe Harrison 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| I'm a satisified Sipgate user... not perfect but what can you expect for a
few quid a month. I dial the number and mostly my calls get connected and
I'm happy. I definitely don't work for them.
I haven't bothered with their free voicemail but if I did I would judge it
on whether I get to hear my messages not the sexiness level of the voice
prompts.
Although having said that Sipgate are missing a trick since there are plenty
of free automatic voice generators which I've used successfully for budget
IVR for example http://www.research.att.com/projects/tts/demo.html
Horses for courses, if you want high-availability and five-nines SLA then
keep paying through both nostrils to your traditional POTS provider. Me I
just want to take a big axe to my phone bill.
Joe
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| bence_fab wrote:
> Thomas Rankin wrote:
>
> If he hasn't had a problem in the last 12 months, great. But the
> level of support he has shown in other posts and especially here
> with regard to recording the announcements is just too much.
I can only advise what I have been informed.
> As an example, if someone's mobile provider constantly delivered bad
> service because signal in their area was low I'd advise them to seek
> another not assure them that they'll get it sorted out soon even
> though I was getting good service from that provider in my area.
But I don't get constantly bad service. I can only advise other people on
the service I *do* get. If I am getting good service do you expect me to
say I'm not just because *you're* not..? Don't be silly.
>
> Beta testing is one thing, but being unprepared is another.
>
>
> Fair enough, I just find the frequency of his support too strange.
I find a lot of things strange, a large percentage of people on this group
for a start ;-)
> In this particular case I just can't understand how a customer can
> defend the way this voicemail service has been delivered.
I'm not defending it. I am merely explaining it. There is a difference.
> It's still my opinion that said person is a Sipgate employee.
I am not. For a start I am in the UK and Sipgate does not as yet have a
physical UK presence. I can't prove it to you, so if you don't want to
believe me then that's up to you.
> Recommending Sipgate and extolling their virtues is one thing. But
> defending them at all costs and promoting is another.
Promoting..? Show me where I have promoted them.
> Of course
> this is Usenet and everyone's free to express their opinion. I'm
> just questioning the fervor with which he does it, that's
> all...it's too weird.
Ok that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, just as I am to mine.
Can we talk about something else now, please..?
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| Phil Thompson wrote:
> On 6 Aug 2005 03:28:42 -0700, "bence_fab" <orsolyka@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Ivor says this is not the case, but has admitted to some other
> "connection" with Sipgate that he won't clarify. Perhaps he sleeps
> with the CEO or something :-)
>
> Phil
As Sipgate are in Germany and I'm in the UK (and very firmly straight)
that would not be easy..!
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| VoIP Knowledge wrote:
> Ivor,
>
> It's weird how the majority of posts about sipgate are about how
> crap their service yet you are bent on defending them. Their
> support is attrocious and everyone knows it. Their service works
> "most of the time" but it can hardly be classified as "reliable".
> My concern is that you give other readers on this newsgroup a
> completely incorrect view of them.
So are you in this post. The support could be better but it is far from
atrocious. Re. reliability I can only go by personal experience, as can
you. If my service is working, do you expect me to say it isn't just
because yours isn't..?
> You're the guy who also said "sipgate will come good" re an article
> by pc pro which was pathetic. If you are not an employee then you
> must be an investor of some kind.
>
> Mike
Wrong on both counts.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-06, 5:45 pm |
| bence_fab wrote:
> in the USA, so where you got that one from is a mystery to me.
>
> Is there another Ivor Jones then? cause when I look up the
> statistics for this group here:
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk...oip/about?hl=en
>
> you are the all-time top user (granted, second-highest this month
> six days in). That one time in your life must have been quite a big
> session...
>
> Honestly, maybe I confused you with another Ivor or I misunderstood
> this statement of yours.
I use this group uk.telecom.voip yes but not via Google. This is a usenet
group which is not limited to access via Google.
Ivor
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-06, 8:45 pm |
| On 5 Aug 2005 15:05:55 -0700, "bence_fab" <orsolyka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I don't usually post anything to these groups and usually prefer just
>reading them but I have to say that in my opinion you are either a very
>ignorant customer or simply a Sipgate employee. I have seen your posts
>all over the place defending or arbitrarily praising Sipgate.
And all say of us.
>I have nothing against Sipgate personally but I do have to say their
>service is simply not up to scratch but your attitude is really causing
>harm and misconception out there.
It is a good job Sipgate provide numbers for free and it can be tested
out via the PC without it costing much otherwise I would think there
would be quite a lot of customers after his blood after telling every
one what an excellent service Sipgate provide .
> There are plenty of good providers in
>the UK alone and I am not going to mention any for fear of being
>accused of favoritism. You are potentially harming peoples attitude to
>VoIP with the position that a half-baked, unprofessional communications
>service can be acceptable.
Having tried one or two soon after signing up to Sipgate it was soon
brought home to me what a miserable service Sipgate provides and I
have not accepted it and moved on. Sipgate still have over 14 quid of
my money and once that is used up on 0845 and 0870 calls that 'it's it
Sipgate is gone for good as far has I am concerned .
>Sipgate too busy with support
>enquiries to always guarantee quality response?....tough. And you're
>out here posing as a customer who's willing to live with a provider who
>admit their service is not ready and is being sorted out?
Sipgate is about the only provider that I know of that is scared of
talking to its customers that is why they do not provide a contact
number . Ivor has a hot line to them I did have the same number which
I got due to one of their blokes being so dumb and not withholding
their number when he rang me about something or other. I rang it once
after he contacted me and was told NEVER to call them again NO company
talks to me like that and that is another reason for my hatred of
Sipgate and its rubbishy service .
> If all you're worried about is a free
>service, then get yourself two cups of plastic and a string my friend.
And better quality than Sipgate ))))) .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-06, 8:45 pm |
| On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:22:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>If you consider it half baked and unprofessional that is your prerogative,
>nobody is forcing you to use it. If anything, it is your statement that
>they are half baked and unprofessional that could cause harm, causing
>people to bypass them without giving them a fair trial. If someone tries
>them and comes to that conclusion, so be it, but give them the chance to
>try for themselves.
Much better for someone to completely pass them by thanks to someone
telling the truth about them than letting them go out and spend money
on an ATA thanks to your praise due to you having a personal interest
in Sipgate and find out the service offered is totally abysmal.
One cannot form an opinion of a voip provider by using a softfone the
quality is not great at the best of times .
>Like I said, there have been a few problems, but by and large I am happy
>with the service. Believe me or don't, I couldn't care less.
There is one big problem that has been outstanding for weeks and weeks
months even " Voicemail BETA" tell me Ivor how many companies do you
know of that has had a service in beta this long I feel that Sipgate
voice mail will still be in beta when the first astronaut's return
from mars .
>Lastly, I am very happy with my service and don't need your advice to go
>elsewhere.
I don't have any problem with that Ivor Sipgate is your problem but
please do not keep ramming the dammed useless company down every
bodies throats here at every single opportunity .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-06, 8:45 pm |
| On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:20:02 +0100, "VoIP Knowledge"
<voipknowhow@noemail.com> wrote:
>Ivor,
>
>It's weird how the majority of posts about sipgate are about how crap their
>service yet you are bent on defending them. Their support is attrocious and
>everyone knows it. Their service works "most of the time" but it can hardly
>be classified as "reliable". My concern is that you give other readers on
>this newsgroup a completely incorrect view of them.
My argument exactly .
>You're the guy who also said "sipgate will come good" re an article by pc
>pro which was pathetic. If you are not an employee then you must be an
>investor of some kind.
I have no doubt that they will come good the question is WHEN 2105
perhaps they have to or get swallowed up by some other company or get
left to die a slow death .
If Sipgate cannot provide a decent service for a basic nil monthly
income from its customers then it should implement a small monthly
subscription or something in order to be able to improve its service .
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| On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 00:30:03 +0100, Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> tell me Ivor how many companies do you
>know of that has had a service in beta this long
Microsoft
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| Thomas Rankin 2005-08-07, 7:45 am |
| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> There is one big problem that has been outstanding for weeks and weeks
> months even " Voicemail BETA" tell me Ivor how many companies do you
> know of that has had a service in beta this long I feel that Sipgate
> voice mail will still be in beta when the first astronaut's return
> from mars .
>
Well, it's been 2 and a half years ...
Off the top of my head, the cambridge cable CM trialls were nearly that
long ....
The 2.6 kernel was in beta for 2 years and a month. (comparatively 2.4
was in beta for 1 year and 8 months and the 2.2 was in beta for 2 years
and 2.2 was for 2 years and 4 months).
Okay, buggered if I know, but if it's not ready it's not ready.
I for one wouldn't let a service that doesn't officially work bias me
against a company, since I wouldn't consider it to be a service that is
part of the product.
Mind you, I don't use it anyway.
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| bence_fab 2005-08-07, 7:45 am |
| >
>
> Wrong on both counts.
Ivor,
I for one would like to know what the nature of the association is. You
have admitted that there is a connection but only after you were hard
pressed. Before that you were posing as just a normal Sipgate customer
which is deceipt in my opinion. If you're not an investor and you're
not an employee there is definitely a financial interest. I know you're
not going to tell us what that connection is here but you're on thin
ice in my opinion. It would benefit everyone I think if you yourself
looked around and sampled other VoIP providers around who actually make
an effort to provide a good service. You might be enlightened.
Regarding the Sipgate voicemail beta launch I can't believe people are
comparing this to Microsoft and Linux OS. This is just an
Asterisk-based voicemail service that anyone with a little bit of good
know-how could do half-decently.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-07, 5:45 pm |
| On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:49:55 GMT, Thomas Rankin
<tom@sanguinarius.dyndns.org> wrote:
>Okay, buggered if I know, but if it's not ready it's not ready.
>I for one wouldn't let a service that doesn't officially work bias me
>against a company, since I wouldn't consider it to be a service that is
>part of the product.
Point is Thomas I would be ashamed to let my customers see.here.use
a voice mail system in that state but it does give one a good overall
view of the company and its products ! .
>Mind you, I don't use it anyway.
I do not use the radio and cassette player in my car but I do know it
works, I bought it along with the car and it hadn't worked I would
have been jumping all over the local
Rover agent)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
)))))) .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-07, 5:45 pm |
| On 7 Aug 2005 04:48:47 -0700, "bence_fab" <orsolyka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I It would benefit everyone I think if you yourself
>looked around and sampled other VoIP providers around who actually make
>an effort to provide a good service. You might be enlightened.
No chance he would sooner stick his head in the sand and carry on
proclaiming Sipgate are the best in the world and reaping whatever he
is getting out of Sipgate . I have had an account with Voipfone now
nearly has long has I have had the Sipgate account in fact I got both
within days of each other and have yet to find Voipfone giving any
kind of problems . The voicemail system works superbly the phone
service is always on line and has ever given problems to my knowledge
yet |Sipgate services are totally opposite noting works correctly and
reliably .
>This is just an
>Asterisk-based voicemail service that anyone with a little bit of good
>know-how could do half-decently.
Why don't you be honest and just say it is a total waste of space and
Sipgate should withdraw it from service until they do GET IT WORKING
CORRECTLY .
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| Chris Blunt 2005-08-07, 5:45 pm |
| On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:38:08 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>Wrong on both counts.
Why all the secrecy Ivor? You may not be an employee or an investor,
but you clearly have some close connection with the company. For
example, you were able to announce that their voicemail service would
be released a couple of weeks before it became public information. You
were also able to state a few days ago exactly how many voice files
Sipgate's voicemail system uses. You could only have had access to
that information with connections inside the company that the rest of
us don't have.
You are quick to condemn other VoIP providers when they promote their
services on this non-commercial newsgroup, yet that is in effect what
you are doing by your constant support of Sipgate. If your connection
with them is something a simple as having a friend who works there,
then why not just say so?
Chris
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| Stefan Kaniuk 2005-08-07, 5:45 pm |
| one will get full company details of sipgate very shortly well soon see if
ivorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is involved
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| Stefan Kaniuk 2005-08-07, 5:45 pm |
|
"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:iv2cf159kpmekhpgljur9v33jijoka20ma@
4ax.com...
> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:38:08 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Why all the secrecy Ivor? You may not be an employee or an investor,
> but you clearly have some close connection with the company. For
> example, you were able to announce that their voicemail service would
> be released a couple of weeks before it became public information. You
> were also able to state a few days ago exactly how many voice files
> Sipgate's voicemail system uses. You could only have had access to
> that information with connections inside the company that the rest of
> us don't have.
>
> You are quick to condemn other VoIP providers when they promote their
> services on this non-commercial newsgroup, yet that is in effect what
> you are doing by your constant support of Sipgate. If your connection
> with them is something a simple as having a friend who works there,
> then why not just say so?
>
> Chris
funny how secretive ivor has gone quiet over this isnt it ????????????
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| {{{{{Welcome}}}}} 2005-08-08, 2:45 am |
| Thus spaketh VoIP Knowledge:
> Ivor,
>
> It's weird how the majority of posts about sipgate are about how crap
> their service yet you are bent on defending them. Their support is
> attrocious and everyone knows it. Their service works "most of the
> time" but it can hardly be classified as "reliable". My concern is
> that you give other readers on this newsgroup a completely incorrect
> view of them.
>
> You're the guy who also said "sipgate will come good" re an article
> by pc pro which was pathetic. If you are not an employee then you
> must be an investor of some kind.
>
I've had the odd problem, but overall their service is fine, I am more than
happy with it.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-08, 7:45 am |
| On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:04:05 +0100, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>I've had the odd problem, but overall their service is fine, I am more than
>happy with it.
Some people are very easily satisfied others aren't I suppose some
people will put up with crap others won't .
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| Matt Faulkner 2005-08-08, 5:45 pm |
| I phoned another uk voip provider today and enquired about porting my
sipgate number to them. They said they were getting a few queries per day
about porting sipgate numbers over and they planned to offer a special
incentive for existing sipgate subscribers to port their number. Apparently
they are planning to offer revenue share on 08 numbers, and free weekend
calls for customers who moved over from sipgate to their network!
Sounds like joining sipgate may have its advantages after all.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g3a5f1l2pkhb0cnq4jhmsn4p49t6hr78g7@
4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:36:55 +0100, LanMan <lanman@noworkie.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Personally I would not leave them a halfpence I am only using my
> account now for 0845 and 0870 calls .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-08, 5:45 pm |
| On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:39:25 +0100, "Matt Faulkner" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:
>I phoned another uk voip provider today and enquired about porting my
>sipgate number to them. They said they were getting a few queries per day
>about porting sipgate numbers over and they planned to offer a special
>incentive for existing sipgate subscribers to port their number. Apparently
>they are planning to offer revenue share on 08 numbers, and free weekend
>calls for customers who moved over from sipgate to their network!
>
>Sounds like joining sipgate may have its advantages after all.
So who is this other provider then ??? .
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