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| Joanna Thompson 2005-08-17, 2:45 am |
| I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
working well.
I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
answer:
I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more. Would
I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP router
know they are calls and route them properly?
I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone point
out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human interest?
Thank you in advance!
Joanna
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"Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
>(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
>some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
>working well.
>
> I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
> answer:
>
> I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more.
> Would I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP
> router know they are calls and route them properly?
>
> I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
> things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone
> point out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human
> interest?
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Joanna
>
wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss poor
customer ,even non existent customer service.
vonage are the best
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| Nira Portman 2005-08-17, 7:45 am |
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":-)" <pcid@net.uk> wrote in message
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> "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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VoIP[vbcol=seagreen]
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> wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
> will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss
poor
> customer ,even non existent customer service.
>
> vonage are the best
>
>
I've always had excellent service with Sipgate. Four support mails all
answered quickly and professionally, so I don't know why you think there is
piss poor service. You are right about piss poor customers though, but I
think all of the piss poor ones moved to Vonage. Don't pay any attention to
this troll Joanna, he sounds about as dumb as a box of rocks!
Nira Portman
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"Nira Portman" <niraiscool@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ":-)" <pcid@net.uk> wrote in message
> news:c3EMe.12386$Mf6.7640@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> (and
> VoIP
> of
> poor
>
> I've always had excellent service with Sipgate. Four support mails all
> answered quickly and professionally, so I don't know why you think there
> is
> piss poor service. You are right about piss poor customers though, but I
> think all of the piss poor ones moved to Vonage. Don't pay any attention
> to
> this troll Joanna, he sounds about as dumb as a box of rocks!
>
> Nira Portman
>
>
if you say so nira lovey ps nice name
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-17, 7:45 am |
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"Nira Portman" <niraiscool@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> I've always had excellent service with Sipgate. Four
> support mails all answered quickly and professionally, so
> I don't know why you think there is piss poor service.
> You are right about piss poor customers though, but I
> think all of the piss poor ones moved to Vonage. Don't
> pay any attention to this troll Joanna, he sounds about
> as dumb as a box of rocks!
>
> Nira Portman
Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have shares
in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
Ivor
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| Thomas Rankin 2005-08-17, 7:45 am |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
> Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have shares
> in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>
> Ivor
>
AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated, It's the only us long
distance carrier I can find that doesn't have an NYSE or Nasdaq listing.
(this market sector has more-or less collapsed over the last 5 years).
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| :-) wrote:
> "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3mg7cvF16naaqU1@individual.net...
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>
>
> wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
> will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss poor
> customer ,even non existent customer service.
>
> vonage are the best
You have said in the past that you have shares in Vonage. Whats the
symbol? I wanted to take a look and I can't find them listed in London,
New York or NASDAQ. I also can't find any information that they have
actually gone public. As far as I can see they are still privately owned
and funded by venture capital.
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| Thomas Rankin wrote:
> Ivor Jones wrote:
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> AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
Thats what I thought.
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"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thomas Rankin wrote:
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> Thats what I thought.
who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
always pays to know certain people :-)
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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"<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
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> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> who said anything about buying my shares through a public
> offering, it always pays to know certain people :-)
Yeah, right. I think I just saw a flying pig.
Ivor
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| Nira Portman 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
> news:B8HMe.8608$QU4.1538@newsfe5-win.ntli.net
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>
> Yeah, right. I think I just saw a flying pig.
>
> Ivor
>
>
A lying pig is more like it! They would actually have to break several SEC
rules to do that Stefan. I will happily call the SEC and turn you in for
International Securities Fraud!
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"Nira Portman" <niraiscool@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3mgu74F170eu9U1@individual.net...
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> A lying pig is more like it! They would actually have to break several
> SEC
> rules to do that Stefan. I will happily call the SEC and turn you in for
> International Securities Fraud!
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>
if you say so love but do i care a fig what you think nope lol
report me go on i dare you lol i have nothing to hide and have done nothing
wrong, its sad that you appear to have turned into another net cop
PS You and ivor jones would make a good couple
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| Chris Blunt 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:31:28 +0100, Mike <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk>
wrote:
>:-) wrote:
>
>You have said in the past that you have shares in Vonage. Whats the
>symbol? I wanted to take a look and I can't find them listed in London,
>New York or NASDAQ. I also can't find any information that they have
>actually gone public. As far as I can see they are still privately owned
>and funded by venture capital.
It wouldn't necessarily have to be a publicly listed company for him
to own shares in it.
Chris
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| E.R. Robinson 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:31:28 +0100, Mike <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
Sipgate[vbcol=seagreen]
(and[vbcol=seagreen]
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VoIP[vbcol=seagreen]
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> It wouldn't necessarily have to be a publicly listed company for him
> to own shares in it.
>
> Chris
True, but the costs and legal complications (the shares would likely be
restricted shares), all for only a few thousand shares? Perhaps he is
sleeping with the CEO of Vonage! That might explain it!
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| <£> wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
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>
>
> who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
> always pays to know certain people :-)
So in that case you have to be a close personal friend or business
associate of a director of Vonage to be able to buy shares in their
privately owned company. I certainly wouldn't part with shares to my
private company to anyone I didn't know very well indeed. Perhaps we
should drop a note to Jeffrey Citron and let him know what a Vonage
representative is doing and saying in here? If you are known to him,
then I'm sure he will have a few words to say to you. If however you are
not, I'm sure their lawyers will want to write you a letter.
You could also I suppose be one of the Venture Capitalists investing in
Vonage in exchange for shares. In my dealings with VC's I have found
that they tend to be a bit brighter than you appear to be. They also
don't go around bragging about their investments and what pies they have
their fingers in for very obvious reasons.
The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in
a dream world.
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"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <£> wrote:
>
> So in that case you have to be a close personal friend or business
> associate of a director of Vonage to be able to buy shares in their
> privately owned company. I certainly wouldn't part with shares to my
> private company to anyone I didn't know very well indeed. Perhaps we
> should drop a note to Jeffrey Citron and let him know what a Vonage
> representative is doing and saying in here? If you are known to him, then
> I'm sure he will have a few words to say to you. If however you are not,
> I'm sure their lawyers will want to write you a letter.
>
> You could also I suppose be one of the Venture Capitalists investing in
> Vonage in exchange for shares. In my dealings with VC's I have found that
> they tend to be a bit brighter than you appear to be. They also don't go
> around bragging about their investments and what pies they have their
> fingers in for very obvious reasons.
>
> The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in a
> dream world.
>
bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just because i have and
you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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| <£> wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
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> bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just because i have and
> you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
The fact that one can never get a reasoned, sensible and concise answer
out of you just keeps leading me to the same conclusion; You are talking
complete bollocks and living in a dream world.
I invite you to change my opinion.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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"<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
> bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just
> because i have and you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Case for the proscution rests, my Lord.
Ivor
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"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <£> wrote:
>
> The fact that one can never get a reasoned, sensible and concise answer
> out of you just keeps leading me to the same conclusion; You are talking
> complete bollocks and living in a dream world.
>
> I invite you to change my opinion.
one does not have to rpve anything to you lovey, like your opinion counts
anyway
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| Steve Loft 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
| Mike wrote:
> The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in
> a dream world.
I've encountered Stefan in other newsgroups and he clearly has some
"issues". It's probably kindest if everyone just tries to ignore him,
but he really ought to seek out some professional help.
--
Steve Loft
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"Steve Loft" <steve@nybbles.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mike wrote:
>
>
> I've encountered Stefan in other newsgroups and he clearly has some
> "issues". It's probably kindest if everyone just tries to ignore him, but
> he really ought to seek out some professional help.
> --
> Steve Loft
another net cop, which other groups you clown
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:11:20 GMT, ":-\)" <pcid@net.uk> wrote:
>wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
>will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss poor
>customer ,even non existent customer service.
>
>vonage are the best
Give over Stefan please Vonage aren't the only decent provider on the
planet by a long chalk but I do agree regarding your comments re
Sipgate who ARE the worst .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:12:49 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have shares
>in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
Stefan isn't the only one who was very dissatisfied with Sipgate
and I think that by advising people to take no notice you are again
intimating indirectly that Sipgate are perfect which they aren't .
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:12:49 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Stefan isn't the only one who was very dissatisfied with
> Sipgate and I think that by advising people to take no
> notice you are again intimating indirectly that Sipgate
> are perfect which they aren't .
Nor is anybody else mate. I am merely doing what any sensible person would
do and advise ignoring an obvious troll.
Are you a troll, Dex..? I once thought better of you, maybe I was
mistaken.
Ivor
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:vrq6g1dc6nreg2kg921hdfactb0kb2opu1@
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>
> Nor is anybody else mate. I am merely doing what any sensible person would
> do and advise ignoring an obvious troll.
>
> Are you a troll, Dex..? I once thought better of you, maybe I was
> mistaken.
>
> Ivor
>
>
now youre kissing dexs XXX, one minute slagging him off the next lick,lick,
dex has some perfectly valid points and anyone is free to post whatever they
want in this forum of yours ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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"<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
> now youre kissing dexs XXX, one minute slagging him off the next
> lick,lick, dex has some perfectly valid points
> and anyone is free to post whatever they want in this
> forum of yours ivor
I thought you'd killfiled me, Stefan..?
>ivor ive had enough of your self importance attitud eon here, youre now
>in my killfile, i cant be bothered arguing with you anymore, you bore me
>to tears .
><plonk>
Ivor
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| Joanna Thompson 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:11:20 GMT, ":-\)" <pcid@net.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Give over Stefan please Vonage aren't the only decent provider on the
> planet by a long chalk but I do agree regarding your comments re
> Sipgate who ARE the worst .
Hmmmm..... maybe expecting an intelligent offer of advice was too much to
ask from this group. I appreciate the forbearance of those that read these
puerile, schoolyard-posturing comments. Obviously someone has let their
children onto the Internet newsgroups unsupervised.
Dexter, you used to sound like a logical person, but your animosity to
Sipgate rather than helpful advice doesn't make you an asset to this group.
Negative attitudes are not helpful. Can you try to be helpful instead of
sounding like a recording? I got your view the first time. Please be
constructive and stick closer to the topic.
Stefan, you are just way out there. No comments to you except that you
should seek immediate psychiatric help. There is no shame in this, but do
it soon.
Ivor, good job being helpful. That is constructive. There is no problem in
preferring or referring a service you like, I have never had a significant
problem with Sipgate so I am satisfied with them. Try some other providers
so you have a frame of reference for Sipgate. www.voipuser.org is a good
place to start, you can get a free 0844 number but it will show you how
other groups work.
Now can anybody please answer my queries?
Thank you,
Joanna
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| Thomas Rankin 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
| Joanna Thompson wrote:
> I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
> (the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
> some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
> working well.
>
> I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
> answer:
>
> I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more. Would
> I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP router
> know they are calls and route them properly?
>
If the provider you use operate a reliable stun service, this can be
achieved forwarding ports, (and using different p9orts for SIP etc.)
This is covered in the FAQ on a lot of providers sites.
eg. # 7. entitled How do I configure two or more SIP terminals (phones)
in a network? in the sipgate FAQ on calling.
> I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
> things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone point
> out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human interest?
>
Not sure what to suggest, the documentation in voip-info.org details
lots of varying implementations (almost all exclusively involving
asterisk), a lot of it isn't too technical (if you only read the intro.)
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Joanna
>
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:44:47 +0200, "Joanna Thompson"
<artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Dexter, you used to sound like a logical person, but your animosity to
>Sipgate
Well I basically threw away £ 80.00 plus thanks to Ivor's continual
and unrelenting pushing of Sipgate in UK Telecom which after only two
weeks I found that his recommendations where not even worth his waste
of bandwidth posting .Next the great stupendous voicemail which Ivor
again took a delight in pushing on us all in UK Telecom and again
didn't work and still dos.doesn't work correctly or didn't just over a
week ago !!!!.
> rather than helpful advice doesn't make you an asset to this group.
>Negative attitudes are not helpful.
Sipgate is nothing but Negative , Negative ,Negative that is why I got
out and got my money back when I had the opportunity and I am never
ever going to start saying Sipgate is the bees knees here when it
isn't unlike Ivor of course . Sipgate could go out of service for a
month and Ivor would still back them to the hilt .
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| Alan Foster 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:44:47 +0200, Joanna Thompson
<artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Like most people I have no interest in what he wrote!
>
> Now can anybody please answer my queries?
>
Can you please clarify: when you say you have 2 'lines' and want to add
more, are you talking about 2 VoIP accounts, 2 pots connections for normal
phones, or 2 ethernet connections to the LAN?
It seems unlikely that anyone would want more than 2 accounts; more than
two telephone instruments would be best served by either DECT or a PBX
setup; and more LAN ports is simply a matter of an extra hub/switch box.
So I am puzzled by the reference to port forwarding, and hence my asking
for clarification of exactly what you are trying to do.
Alan.
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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"Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:44:47 +0200, Joanna Thompson
> <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Like most people I have no interest in what he wrote!
>
>
>
> Can you please clarify: when you say you have 2 'lines'
> and want to add more, are you talking about 2 VoIP
> accounts, 2 pots connections for normal phones, or 2
> ethernet connections to the LAN?
> It seems unlikely that anyone would want more than 2
> accounts; more than two telephone instruments would be
> best served by either DECT or a PBX setup; and more LAN
> ports is simply a matter of an extra hub/switch box. So I
> am puzzled by the reference to port forwarding, and hence
> my asking for clarification of exactly what you are
> trying to do.
While it's unlikely the average user will not need more than two
accounts/lines this isn't always the case. If you *are* using a PBX then
you will most likely need more than two "lines" into it. I have three, two
voice VoIP lines and one that connects to my speaking clock (ok, I'm a
telephone nut..!) plus a PSTN line as fallback.
The way the OP's question was phrased indicates she wants more phone
lines. I have successfully used two 2 ATA's behind a router, but this
doesn't always work so knowing what the equipment involved is would be a
help.
Ivor
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| Joanna Thompson 2005-08-17, 5:45 pm |
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
> news:opsvn5u2gsa48l90@office
>
> While it's unlikely the average user will not need more than two
> accounts/lines this isn't always the case. If you *are* using a PBX then
> you will most likely need more than two "lines" into it. I have three, two
> voice VoIP lines and one that connects to my speaking clock (ok, I'm a
> telephone nut..!) plus a PSTN line as fallback.
>
> The way the OP's question was phrased indicates she wants more phone
> lines. I have successfully used two 2 ATA's behind a router, but this
> doesn't always work so knowing what the equipment involved is would be a
> help.
>
> Ivor
>
>
It is slightly more involved than that Ivor but you are essentially
correct. I have 2 VoIP lines in the UK and wish to have a few more. One
(or more) for testing in the immediate future (I am testing 2 Italian VoIP
companies for a Rome number for example) and hope to eventually set up an
Asterisk server (when my Linux (and Italian) knowledge has improved). I do
a fair amount of business in Rome and I am practical. VoIP works. Not
perfectly, not always, but improving. Patience has it's rewards.
Dexter, forget the £ 80.00 plus it's gone (plus you got some back). I have
spent more on a dress and I wouldn't fuss so much if I got to wear it a
couple of times before I found something I liked better. I wouldn't fuss
this much over an £ 80.00 outfit, you shouldn't either. Turn your
resentment into something positive.
Please return to making positive contributions and let Stefan find another
group to rant in.
Joanna
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"Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3mhlhhF172ssqU1@individual.net...
> It is slightly more involved than that Ivor but you are essentially
> correct. I have 2 VoIP lines in the UK and wish to have a few more. One
> (or more) for testing in the immediate future (I am testing 2 Italian VoIP
> companies for a Rome number for example) and hope to eventually set up an
> Asterisk server (when my Linux (and Italian) knowledge has improved). I
> do a fair amount of business in Rome and I am practical. VoIP works. Not
> perfectly, not always, but improving. Patience has it's rewards.
>
> Dexter, forget the £ 80.00 plus it's gone (plus you got some back). I
> have spent more on a dress and I wouldn't fuss so much if I got to wear it
> a couple of times before I found something I liked better. I wouldn't
> fuss this much over an £ 80.00 outfit, you shouldn't either. Turn your
> resentment into something positive.
>
> Please return to making positive contributions and let Stefan find another
> group to rant in.
>
> Joanna
>
OH miss thompson youre starting with that line are you " i spent more on a
dress" yore sort make me sick pretending youre better than everyone else
with your higher than mighty attitude
killfile here we come
<plonk>
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| Thomas Rankin 2005-08-17, 8:45 pm |
| Joanna Thompson wrote:
> It is slightly more involved than that Ivor but you are essentially
> correct. I have 2 VoIP lines in the UK and wish to have a few more. One
> (or more) for testing in the immediate future (I am testing 2 Italian VoIP
> companies for a Rome number for example) and hope to eventually set up an
> Asterisk server (when my Linux (and Italian) knowledge has improved). I do
> a fair amount of business in Rome and I am practical. VoIP works. Not
> perfectly, not always, but improving. Patience has it's rewards.
>
If you use asterisk@home as your linux distro. then setting up asterisk
is supposed to be trivial. (I haven't used it, I've read about it but
never actually played with it).
As far as linux installs go, Asterisk is fairly trivial (and the
documentation available is very good).
The configuration is fairly complicated but there's nothing that I've
found so far that completely defies logic. (except maybe the zapata.conf
is pretty mind-bendingly awkward, but you only need to worry about that
if you are using an FXO or FXS card, or require a service that for some
reason requires a zap module to be present ie. a Meetme room).
I'm sure between the group and the documentation you can have one up and
running in no time.
(btw. If you don't want to download a copy of asterisk@home, then I
sometimes sell them on ebay for 99p+35p p&p, you're bound to be able to
find a copy easily.)
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-17, 8:45 pm |
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:23:34 +0200, "Joanna Thompson"
<artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Dexter, forget the £ 80.00 plus it's gone (plus you got some back). I have
>spent more on a dress and I wouldn't fuss so much if I got to wear it a
>couple of times before I found something I liked better.
Ivor made out that Sipgate was the best thing that has happened since
the wheel was invented and has been proved wrong by other people
besides myself .Had he declared more than he was just another customer
like he has had to now at that time I would not have given Sipgate a
second glance.
You know Ivor has another favorite toy the "Sipura 2000" but he
certainly hasn't given cisco Systems the prominence and publicity here
that he gives Sipgate I wonder why this is !, one day the truth will
out of course it always does . I made my own mind up regarding Vonage
and wasn't persuaded by anyone and to date my decision to subscribe
has proved to be correct .
> I wouldn't fuss
>this much over an £ 80.00 outfit, you shouldn't either. Turn your
>resentment into something positive.
I do just love to throwing money away Joanna I have worked damned hard
during my lifetime for the money I have and I have no intention
whatsoever of ever throwing anymore of it away based on what some
idiot says here regarding any product or service I stay well clear of
the Ivor's of this world in future .
>Please return to making positive contributions and let Stefan find another
>group to rant in.
90% of posting's here are devoted to Sipgate and Ivor remember it is
HIS group have you not noticed how he keeps reminding everyone
about this every few days .
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| Joanna Thompson 2005-08-18, 2:45 am |
|
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:23:34 +0200, "Joanna Thompson"
> <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Ivor made out that Sipgate was the best thing that has happened since
> the wheel was invented and has been proved wrong by other people
> besides myself .Had he declared more than he was just another customer
> like he has had to now at that time I would not have given Sipgate a
> second glance.
Dexter, it is everyone's perogative to have their own opinion. Reading
people's posts about Sipgate (including Ivor's) have given me more
information towards making my own decision. Denigrating a service or person
every time it or they are mention helps no one and is detrimental to all who
read. I think that you (and I) have a genuine interest in VoIP (and saving
money), but you expend too much time and effort on things in the past that
cannot be undone. Out of curiosity, how did you lose the £ 80.00? Did you
get a "locked box" for Sipgate? I had read that you got a refund from them.
> You know Ivor has another favorite toy the "Sipura 2000" but he
> certainly hasn't given cisco Systems the prominence and publicity here
> that he gives Sipgate I wonder why this is !, one day the truth will
> out of course it always does . I made my own mind up regarding Vonage
> and wasn't persuaded by anyone and to date my decision to subscribe
> has proved to be correct .
Why concern yourself over Ivor's interests? I read some back posts about a
speaking clock and a Fritz!Fon as well but nothing recent about a Sipura.
Why would you care that he doesn't mention cisco specifically? Incidentally
Sipura is owned by Linksys, which is owned by Cisco, so if he does speak
about the Sipura again he is in fact speaking about Cisco. I am glad that
you have found a VoIP service that you like. So has Ivor and many other
people. The best solution for those who haven't found one is to read
reasoned and thoughtful commentary so they have a rational basis for
comparison. I would be happy to hear why you feel that Vonage is better,
but I would rather hear valid reasons about Vonage and not simply that it is
because Sipgate is not what you wanted.
> I do just love to throwing money away Joanna I have worked damned hard
> during my lifetime for the money I have and I have no intention
> whatsoever of ever throwing anymore of it away based on what some
> idiot says here regarding any product or service I stay well clear of
> the Ivor's of this world in future .
I work hard for my money too and I certainly don't advocate throwing it
away. I have made some decision that have cost me more than I expected but
when it is over I don't dwell on the loss. I rethink what happened and
chalk it up as an expensive lesson. The experience doesn't seem to have
dampened your enthusiasm for VoIP whether through Vonage or someone else.
You don't have to like Sipgate or even Ivor's advice, but he is far more
constructive and helpful than Stefan. Don't let bitterness about something
turn you into someone like that. I think that you can be a great asset for
this group if you want to be.
> 90% of posting's here are devoted to Sipgate and Ivor remember it is
> HIS group have you not noticed how he keeps reminding everyone
> about this every few days .
Again, Ivor's comments are positive and constructive. He doesn't confine
his reasoning to saying "Sipgate is the Best!", he gives his opinion and
backs it up with why he feels that way. I don't know of any connection he
has with Sipgate and I don't care. He has said his interests are not
financial and beyond that it doesn't really matter. I haven't had any
problems with my Sipgate numbers yet, but if I did it would be nice to know
that there is more than one resource I can use to resolve the problem. I
would send a note into support or post the question here (or both).
Why not make your own positive and constructive posts about Vonage? I am
interested to read them. Eventually Stefan will find another newsgroup he
can insult people in and continue in his fantasy world. I for one, refuse
to be dragged down to his level. This is the unfortunate price we have to
pay for no censorship, but I think we have enough bright and intelligent
people to look beyond the mindless prattle.
Since you know Vonage, can you tell me if they have numbers in Rome?
Joanna
| |
| Joanna Thompson 2005-08-18, 2:45 am |
|
"Thomas Rankin" <tom@sanguinarius.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:FmPMe.12148$JB4.11769@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> Joanna Thompson wrote:
< snip>
> If you use asterisk@home as your linux distro. then setting up asterisk is
> supposed to be trivial. (I haven't used it, I've read about it but never
> actually played with it).
>
> As far as linux installs go, Asterisk is fairly trivial (and the
> documentation available is very good).
>
> The configuration is fairly complicated but there's nothing that I've
> found so far that completely defies logic. (except maybe the zapata.conf
> is pretty mind-bendingly awkward, but you only need to worry about that if
> you are using an FXO or FXS card, or require a service that for some
> reason requires a zap module to be present ie. a Meetme room).
>
> I'm sure between the group and the documentation you can have one up and
> running in no time.
<snip>
Thank you Thomas, I will look at the Asterisk at home solution.
| |
| Linus Surguy 2005-08-18, 7:45 am |
| "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
>(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
>some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
>working well.
>
>I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
>answer:
>
>I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more. Would
>I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP router
>know they are calls and route them properly?
If you want to support multiple providers and/or multiple telephone numbers, and
your technical skills are up to it, then I would suggest that you investigate
setting up a VoIP PBX at your location, - and the most cost effective way of
doing this is to use Asterisk.
For ease of configuration you should then forward all the ports relevant to VoIP
to the Asterisk server, and then use that to control all the accounts and
telephone numbers you have registered for.
A number of people recommend the 'Asterisk @ Home' distribution as a good
starting point.
Linus
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| do.not.waste.your.time.emailing.me@this.addres 2005-08-18, 7:45 am |
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:26:41 GMT, "\"&\"" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote:
>
>OH miss thompson youre starting with that line are you " i spent more on=
a=20
>dress" yore sort make me sick pretending youre better than everyone =
else=20
>with your higher than mighty attitude
>
>killfile here we come
>
><plonk>=20
>
Joanna, you just hit the jackpot!
--
cerberus
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|
| <£> wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:EYSdnQWILIOs-Z7eRVnyrw@pipex.net...
>
>
>
> one does not have to rpve anything to you lovey, like your opinion counts
> anyway
>
>
If you are happy for me to continue holding the opinion that you are a
twat then at least we can agree on that.
| |
| Ivor Jones 2005-08-18, 7:45 am |
|
<do.not.waste.your.time.emailing.me@this.address.it.is.invalid>
wrote in message
news:bci8g1l04s61u4vrk77s086rbcj2ujjuc2@
4ax.com
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:26:41 GMT, "\"&\""
> <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote:
>
> Joanna, you just hit the jackpot!
Unfortunately that's unlikely. He told me he'd killfiled me 4 days ago but
he still replies to my posts.
Ivor
| |
|
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:09:17 +0200, Joanna Thompson <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
[Snip]
> I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
> things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone point
> out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human interest?
Some of the blogs concentrating on voip issues might be of interest to
you. A search on Google brings up some well regarded sites on the first
few pages of hits. To start you off:
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/
Brian.
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| Stefan Kaniuk is a pillock 2005-08-24, 2:45 am |
| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:26:41 GMT, Stefan Kaniuk said:
>OH miss thompson youre starting with that line are you " i spent more on a
>dress" yore sort make me sick pretending youre better than everyone else
>with your higher than mighty attitude
pillock
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