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| flibble 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would feel
a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make £10 of calls a month. I
also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the fact they
have peering arrangements etc.
Mark
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| flibble wrote:
> Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
>
> I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
> next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would feel
> a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make £10 of calls a month. I
> also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the fact they
> have peering arrangements etc.
>
> Mark
>
>
I don't use them that much, but calls have been ok when i have used them.
I don't know how to set a geo number as prestentation number..... 
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:52:26 +0100, "flibble"
<fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
>Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
Can't fault them every bit has good has Vonage in most respects .
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| flibble 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> flibble wrote:
> I don't use them that much, but calls have been ok when i have used them.
>
> I don't know how to set a geo number as prestentation number.....
>
Uuh, do you mean one that you had purchased from them?
That would be quite important to me, anyone else managed to do that?
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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Sean wrote:
> flibble wrote:
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> I don't use them that much, but calls have been ok when i have used them.
>
> I don't know how to set a geo number as prestentation number.....
I have been using Voipfone for quite a while now for both my home and
business calls and they have been faultless and they seem to be on top
of things too they seem to be adding new features almost weekly
Also mark I needed my geo number set on the cli I just mailed them and
it was done almost instantly=20
Mat
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| chief601@gmail.com 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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flibble wrote:
> Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
>
> I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
> next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would f=
eel
> a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make =A310 of calls a month. I
> also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the fact they
> have peering arrangements etc.
>
> Mark
Voipfone are cool been using the xlite but have just ordered a plug and
go sipura from them today and thats good for me because i cant even set
up dvd player
Danny Da Idiot
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| Tony Stock 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| chief601@gmail.com wrote:
> flibble wrote:
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feel[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
> Voipfone are cool been using the xlite but have just ordered a plug and
> go sipura from them today and thats good for me because i cant even set
> up dvd player
>
> Danny Da Idiot
What do you mean "have just ordered a plug and go Sipura" what's the
difference between this and a normal Sipura ?
Tony S
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| >
> What do you mean "have just ordered a plug and go Sipura" what's the
> difference between this and a normal Sipura ?
>
> Tony S
the device is the same but voipfone dispatch everything already set up
for you to use you dont need to mess around with anything
like they say you just plug and go have a look at the link
http://www.voipfone.co.uk/shop.php
Mat
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| Tony Stock 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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Mathew Curtis wrote:
>
> the device is the same but voipfone dispatch everything already set up
> for you to use you dont need to mess around with anything
>
> like they say you just plug and go have a look at the link
> http://www.voipfone.co.uk/shop.php
>
> Mat
you mean like vonage do?
Tony S
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| flibble 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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"Tony Stock" <tonystock2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mathew Curtis wrote:
>
> you mean like vonage do?
>
> Tony S
>
The one difference I know of is that voipfone say you are welcome to mess
with the settings afterwards, which is understandable given that the
equipment isn't free like vonage's is.
Mark
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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Tony Stock wrote:
> Mathew Curtis wrote:
>
> you mean like vonage do?
>
> Tony S
Well yes sort of except with voipfone once you have paid you own the
hardware your not tied in to any contract or monthly charges unless you
want to be and the hardware is not locked down so you can use it with
another provider if you want to i am going to be ordering another snom
if my card is not maxed out.......
Mat
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| ean wrote:
> flibble wrote:
> I have been using Voipfone for quite a while now for both my home and
> business calls and they have been faultless and they seem to be on top
> of things too they seem to be adding new features almost weekly
>
> Also mark I needed my geo number set on the cli I just mailed them and
> it was done almost instantly
>
> Mat
Thanks, they do give the impression of desiring to give their customers the
best product and service, which is always a nice change when I am used to
dealing with bulldog, NTL etc...
Mark
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| Steven Sumpter 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| flibble wrote:
> Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
>
> I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
> next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would feel
> a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make £10 of calls a month. I
> also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the fact they
> have peering arrangements etc.
>
> Mark
>
>
I just had my sipgate number transferred to voipfone today. My
impressions so far are that they are very professional, technical
support queries get answered extremely quickly, (minutes) and call
quality is excellent.
With sipgate I could hear echoes of my voice about half to one second
later, there is always an annoying pause before I am connected after I
answer the phone, and their voicemail and error messages can't decide on
english or german. None of these things happens with voipfone.
Voipfone's website looks better and they also provide familiar services
like 1471 and 1571.
All in all, very impressed.
I was shocked to find that when voipfone requested my number from
sipgate, sipgate made no security checks and no attempt to contact me.
Anyone could have transferred my number away!
Steve.
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| > Thanks, they do give the impression of desiring to give their customers the
> best product and service,
yes they seem to be working on improving the service all the time and
for me its perfect although one thing that they don't seem to have is
auto top up of calling credit this would be really handy because then I
will never run out of credit or minutes I was speaking to a customer
today when my credit ran out can be rather embarrassing
> which is always a nice change when I am used to
> dealing with bulldog, NTL etc...
>
> Mark
ha ha ha oh yes I think everyone knows that feeling
Mat
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| r_mervart 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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"Steven Sumpter" <ssumpter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> flibble wrote:
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> I just had my sipgate number transferred to voipfone today. My
> impressions so far are that they are very professional, technical
> support queries get answered extremely quickly, (minutes) and call
> quality is excellent.
>
Do you know if it is possible to have a "simultaneous ring" list and if yes
will they let you add non-UK numbers to the list ?
Roman
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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r_mervart wrote:
> "Steven Sumpter" <ssumpter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UxmOe.56$JT2.9@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
> Do you know if it is possible to have a "simultaneous ring" list and if yes
> will they let you add non-UK numbers to the list ?
> Roman
this can be done with the virtual PBX
http://www.voipfone.co.uk/PB_Virtual_PBX.php you just set a divert on
the extension number you want to go to an international number you can
even set a divert to another provider if voipfone peer with them
Mat
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"flibble" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
news:declb3$ned$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...
> Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
>
> I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
> next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would
> feel a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make £10 of calls a
> month. I also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the
> fact they have peering arrangements etc.
>
> Mark
Have been using them since May. No problems. Support [for internal firewall
issues - not Voipfone service related] was very good.
No monthly line charges. No minimum contract. They set my CLI to my main
incoming geog number.
Cannot fault them really.
>
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| > best product and service, which is always a nice change when I am used to
> dealing with bulldog, NTL etc...
>
> Mark
I feel I should add fasthosts to my grrr list, after they bounced emails to
my domain for 2 weeks rather than kindly asking me to delete a non-linked
but legal file.
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| Tony Stock 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
|
flibble wrote:
> Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
>
> I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
> next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would f=
eel
> a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make =A310 of calls a month. I
> also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the fact they
> have peering arrangements etc.
>
> Mark
Been reading the posts on here and I have been convinced I just signed
up with Voipfone and got everything all set up and working in about 2
minutes and I have just made my first calls and I am very very
impressed can anyone tell me what benefits I will get if I buy one of
the plug and go things?
Tony S
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| On 22 Aug 2005 07:00:09 -0700, "Mathew Curtis"
<mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote:
(earlier parts of the thread snipped)
>I have been using Voipfone for quite a while now for both my home and
>business calls and they have been faultless and they seem to be on top
>of things too they seem to be adding new features almost weekly
>
>Also mark I needed my geo number set on the cli I just mailed them and
>it was done almost instantly
>
>Mat
Me too; they set my geographical CLI immediately I emailed them
requesting it. I also had some other small issues and they responded
very quickly with a solution. I was so pleased that I signed for a fax
number as well. I'm pleased with that too.
Oldie
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| r_mervart 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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"Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> r_mervart wrote:
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>
> this can be done with the virtual PBX
> http://www.voipfone.co.uk/PB_Virtual_PBX.php you just set a divert on
> the extension number you want to go to an international number you can
> even set a divert to another provider if voipfone peer with them
>
So, could I also just have a simple divert to an international number
without setting up a virtual PBX and would the cost be the same as a call to
that number?
Roman
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
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> So, could I also just have a simple divert to an international number
> without setting up a virtual PBX and would the cost be the same as a call to
> that number?
> Roman
yes you can and the call costs are the same too
Mat
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| Steven Sumpter 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| r_mervart wrote:
> So, could I also just have a simple divert to an international number
> without setting up a virtual PBX and would the cost be the same as a call to
> that number?
> Roman
Yes, you can divert calls without buying anything extra, and it will
cost the standard rates. See http://www.voipfone.co.uk/PB_Call_Divert.php
You can also transfer calls to any number.
Steve.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
| On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:52:44 +0100, "flibble"
<fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
>The one difference I know of is that voipfone say you are welcome to mess
>with the settings afterwards, which is understandable given that the
>equipment isn't free like vonage's is.
If you buy the Vonage router from Staples it isn't free and is still
locked .
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"Tony Stock" <tonystock2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
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flibble wrote:
> Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
>
> I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
> next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would
> feel
> a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make £10 of calls a month. I
> also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the fact they
> have peering arrangements etc.
>
> Mark
Been reading the posts on here and I have been convinced I just signed
up with Voipfone and got everything all set up and working in about 2
minutes and I have just made my first calls and I am very very
impressed can anyone tell me what benefits I will get if I buy one of
the plug and go things?
Tony S
It depends what you mean by "got everything all set up and working... ".
If you mean you are currently using a software phone then one of the "plug
and go" things will allow you to make calls from your network without
needing your PC to be turned on. Voipfone preconfigure the box with your
account settings so you do not need to touch it apart from, er, plugging it
in.
If you have an ATA already set up, then not much changes unless you need
more lines available on your connection.
L
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| Tony Stock 2005-08-22, 5:45 pm |
|
>
> It depends what you mean by "got everything all set up and working... ".
>
> If you mean you are currently using a software phone then one of the "plug
> and go" things will allow you to make calls from your network without
> needing your PC to be turned on. Voipfone preconfigure the box with your
> account settings so you do not need to touch it apart from, er, plugging it
> in.
>
> If you have an ATA already set up, then not much changes unless you need
> more lines available on your connection.
>
> L
I downloaded and set up the software phone and its works good what i
want to know is apart from not needing the pc on what other advantages
would i have if i got a hardware phone or one of the box things
Tony S
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"Tony Stock" <tonystock2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I downloaded and set up the software phone and its works good what i
> want to know is apart from not needing the pc on what other advantages
> would i have if i got a hardware phone or one of the box things
>
Not sure, actually - I have never used a software phone. Convenience, I
guess. I have a DECT base station plugged into an ATA. Extensions in the
kitchen, living room, bedroom. We have family members in the US,
Phillipines, Turkey and we all communicate on VoIP. We can make and receive
calls from any room and not worry about the bills too much.
It all depends on your personal circumstances.
L
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"r_mervart" <r_mervart@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> So, could I also just have a simple divert to an international number
> without setting up a virtual PBX and would the cost be the same as a call
> to
> that number?
> Roman
Yes, clearly you pay the divert element of the call. We just set up a
temporary divert to our holiday location. Non-VoIP family could call the UK
geographic number and voipfone diverted the call for the regular price.
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
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<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:52:44 +0100, "flibble"
> <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
>
>
> If you buy the Vonage router from Staples it isn't free and is still
> locked .
I'd be super peeved if I had done that and discovered you could get it for
free when I later visited the vonage site. Or am I missing some other
detail?
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| >>
>
> Not sure, actually - I have never used a software phone. Convenience, I
> guess. I have a DECT base station plugged into an ATA. Extensions in the
> kitchen, living room, bedroom. We have family members in the US,
> Phillipines, Turkey and we all communicate on VoIP. We can make and
> receive calls from any room and not worry about the bills too much.
>
> It all depends on your personal circumstances.
>
> L
>
Yeah, a lot of people, particularly the non computer inclined would just
prefer not to have to be attached to a computer while they make phone calls.
There is some stereotypical acronym over on the voxilla forums, like WAR
(Wife Acceptance Rating).
I got a sipura adaptor, so I had the flexibility to use Dect phones if I
wanted, especially in uni halls next year where I want everyone to make use
of the phone.
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| > Been reading the posts on here and I have been convinced I just signed
> up with Voipfone and got everything all set up and working in about 2
> minutes and I have just made my first calls and I am very very
> impressed can anyone tell me what benefits I will get if I buy one of
> the plug and go things?
>
> Tony S
>
> It depends what you mean by "got everything all set up and working... ".
>
> If you mean you are currently using a software phone then one of the "plug
> and go" things will allow you to make calls from your network without
> needing your PC to be turned on. Voipfone preconfigure the box with your
> account settings so you do not need to touch it apart from, er, plugging
> it in.
>
I might just add a slight point to that; Voipfone understandably enable
Outgoing RTP proxy when they preconfigure stuff, cos then they can be most
sure everything will work. However, if your network supports it, it is
better to do without an outgoing proxy, as your latency will be much lower
(maybe just when calling other voip users as pstn calls would go through
their servers anyway?). So you may like to try disabling in XLite or your
plug and go adaptor.
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:52:44 +0100, "flibble"
> <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
>
>
> If you buy the Vonage router from Staples it isn't free and is still
> locked .
If you sign up with vonage the adaptor is not free either no matter how
they word it rather than saying phone adaptor =A323.99 they tell you its
free and call the =A323.99 an activation fee what rubbish this type of
misleading advertising is designed for one reason and one reason only
and that is to misslead the consumer and this is the main reason i
dumped vonage and moved to voipfone i suggest that people read the
small print vonage seem to charge for everything you could ever want to
do they even charge =A35.99 to switch plans
Mat
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| >
> If you buy the Vonage router from Staples it isn't free and is still
> locked .
>
> If you sign up with vonage the adaptor is not free either no matter how
> they word it rather than saying phone adaptor £23.99 they tell you its
> free and call the £23.99 an activation fee what rubbish this type of
> misleading advertising is designed for one reason and one reason only
> and that is to misslead the consumer
it got me, well except I never became a customer cos of the impressions I
generally got from their ora!
> and this is the main reason i
> dumped vonage and moved to voipfone i suggest that people read the
> small print vonage seem to charge for everything you could ever want to
> do they even charge £5.99 to switch plans
>
> Mat
It seems that this thread can be concluded by saying voipfone are really
rather nice, even if they missed out an asterisk character in the signup
process!
Do you think I should become a voipfone evangelist on this newsgroup?!
tehee
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| Mark Adamson wrote:
ess[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> it got me, well except I never became a customer cos of the impressions I
> generally got from their ora!
>
>
> It seems that this thread can be concluded by saying voipfone are really
> rather nice, even if they missed out an asterisk character in the signup
> process!
>
> Do you think I should become a voipfone evangelist on this newsgroup?!
>
> tehee
Ha ha ha that could be dangerous you will probably be accused of
working for them or having shares LOL I personally love Voipfone but I
am always reserved in what I say just in case I get branded alongside
ivor and dex :-) (you know i dont mean it guys)
Mat
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| Mike @ www.zd8i.net 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| "Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
>
>I got a sipura adaptor, so I had the flexibility to use Dect phones if I
>wanted, especially in uni halls next year where I want everyone to make use
>of the phone.
>
Make sure that the Uni network allows voIP. Most have
telephones in the rooms in 'halls' that are accessed via
an 0870 number which the Uni earns revenue from. They
are unlikely to allow you to by-pass their system that
easily. My guess is that they will block the SIP ports.
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
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<Mike @ www.zd8i.net> wrote in message
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> "Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
>
>
> Make sure that the Uni network allows voIP. Most have
> telephones in the rooms in 'halls' that are accessed via
> an 0870 number which the Uni earns revenue from. They
> are unlikely to allow you to by-pass their system that
> easily. My guess is that they will block the SIP ports.
>
It's cool, Warwick uni have really good internet policies, and they recently
gave the residences public ips, with specific comments about better support
for VoIP and other apps.
They have traffic shaping to try and cut down on P2P, but any decent apps
like games or remote desktop that you want to be prioritised, you just have
to ask. I am assuming/hoping they will have SIP/RTP in a reasonably high
priority bit, like SSH and telnet are, or they will add it when I pester
them.
Really, universities are in the best place to get a really decent mega VoIP
system set up, as they are all interconnected on Janet at like 500Meg or
something crazy!
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| On 23 Aug 2005 03:01:21 -0700, "Mathew Curtis"
<mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ha ha ha that could be dangerous you will probably be accused of
>working for them or having shares LOL I personally love Voipfone but I
>am always reserved in what I say just in case I get branded alongside
>ivor and dex :-) (you know i dont mean it guys)
If you want my opinion Mat all voip providers are ok with one
exception it is just that some like Voipfone and vonage are better
than the rest .
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2005 03:01:21 -0700, "Mathew Curtis"
> <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> If you want my opinion Mat all voip providers are ok with one
> exception it is just that some like Voipfone and vonage are better
> than the rest .
Well I am not going to disagree with you there at all dex
i thought this was quite cool yesterday I posted Re: impressions of
Voipfone?
> One thing that they don't seem to have is auto top up of calling credit
> this would be really handy because then I will never run out of credit
> or minutes I was speaking to a customer today when my credit ran out
> can be rather embarrassing
And a few minutes ago I received this email from customer services
Dear Mat Curtis
You will be happy to know that we plan to introduce auto credit top up
and low credit warnings to your online account you should be able to
access this within the next 24 hours by clicking on the following link
https://www.voipfone.co.uk/account.php should you have any questions
please don't hesitate to let us know
Kind Regards
Voipfone Customer Services
Support Email: support@voipfone.co.uk
Sales email: sales@voipfone.co.uk
We know that all the voip providers read these news groups but voipfone
seems to listen to what the customer wants and then make it happen i
must say i am very impressed may be sipgate should try listening to
their customers
Mat
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| Mark Adamson 2005-08-23, 7:45 am |
| > And a few minutes ago I received this email from customer services
>
> Dear Mat Curtis
>
> You will be happy to know that we plan to introduce auto credit top up
> and low credit warnings to your online account you should be able to
> access this within the next 24 hours by clicking on the following link
> https://www.voipfone.co.uk/account.php should you have any questions
> please don't hesitate to let us know
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Voipfone Customer Services
>
That might explain the brief problems they had with billing yesterday,
though it was all resolved within an hour, and the customer services guy I
spoke to told me he had just received an email about it from accounts, so
there is some nice communication going on there.
I'm starting to praise a bit too much me thinks. I have only had it a day
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"Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
news:def4g4$h2o$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...
>
> That might explain the brief problems they had with billing yesterday,
> though it was all resolved within an hour, and the customer services guy I
> spoke to told me he had just received an email about it from accounts, so
> there is some nice communication going on there.
>
> I'm starting to praise a bit too much me thinks. I have only had it a day
>
>
>
perhaps you should consider a reputable voip provider such as
www.vonage.co.uk
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"Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124801246.522249.18640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Boss wrote:
>
> Ha ha ha reputable i guess you have not seen the link that was
> prevously posted to uk.telecom.voip
>
> And i quote "Jeffrey A. Citron the CEO of Vonage, was indicted for
> Securities Fraud in 2003
> (http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/comp17929.htm)"
>
> for more see the link
>
> http://damienkatz.net/2005/04/XXXX_vonage.html
>
> Mat
>
thanks matt yes i have already seen that link, but what has past
misdemeanours got to do with curent services.My opinions on vonage are soley
based omn the fact that a)instead of a previosu phone bill for business
related calls of over £600 a month we nos only pay £18.99, never any more.
b) the service since connection has never been anything but flawless in
terms of quality etc,etc
This is just my opinion and the fact of the matter is i have tried other so
called "FREE" services and found the reliabilty and stability next to
useless for what we need.
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
| Boss wrote:
> "Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1124801246.522249.18640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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>
> thanks matt yes i have already seen that link, but what has past
> misdemeanours got to do with curent services.My opinions on vonage are so=
ley
> based omn the fact that a)instead of a previosu phone bill for business
> related calls of over =A3600 a month we nos only pay =A318.99, never any =
more.
> b) the service since connection has never been anything but flawless in
> terms of quality etc,etc
>
> This is just my opinion and the fact of the matter is i have tried other =
so
> called "FREE" services and found the reliabilty and stability next to
> useless for what we need.
As I have said previously I had my reasons for moving from vonage to
Voipfone and I don't dispute the fact that vonages US network is good
for us customers but to say they are reputable is clearly not the case
and as for pricing Voipfone is by far cheaper than vonage for example I
have 5 extension numbers set up on the virtual pbx all with their own
consecutive geographic ddi numbers, geographic fax numbers and fax to
email no activation fee no contract and no minimum term and all I pay
is =A324.94 per month inclusive of the vat and if I want to change
things I can and they wont charge me =A35.99 service charge as vonage do
now what would all that cost with vonage? You do the maths :-)
Mat
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"Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124802766.752875.154140@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Boss wrote:
> "Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1124801246.522249.18640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> thanks matt yes i have already seen that link, but what has past
> misdemeanours got to do with curent services.My opinions on vonage are
> soley
> based omn the fact that a)instead of a previosu phone bill for business
> related calls of over £600 a month we nos only pay £18.99, never any more.
> b) the service since connection has never been anything but flawless in
> terms of quality etc,etc
>
> This is just my opinion and the fact of the matter is i have tried other
> so
> called "FREE" services and found the reliabilty and stability next to
> useless for what we need.
As I have said previously I had my reasons for moving from vonage to
Voipfone and I don't dispute the fact that vonages US network is good
for us customers but to say they are reputable is clearly not the case
and as for pricing Voipfone is by far cheaper than vonage for example I
have 5 extension numbers set up on the virtual pbx all with their own
consecutive geographic ddi numbers, geographic fax numbers and fax to
email no activation fee no contract and no minimum term and all I pay
is £24.94 per month inclusive of the vat and if I want to change
things I can and they wont charge me £5.99 service charge as vonage do
now what would all that cost with vonage? You do the maths :-)
Mat
yes,yes but for some reason i have never been charged the service charge
ever when i have added and swapped things around, still that could be to do
with the fact the people at vonage cs just love me, honestly lol
fair do's matt, we all like different things and this applies to voip
providers, im sure if i ever find a flaw in their service/billing etc,etc i
will simply complain to the highest echelons of management and get what i
want .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
| On 23 Aug 2005 05:47:26 -0700, "Mathew Curtis"
<mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ha ha ha reputable i guess you have not seen the link that was
>prevously posted to uk.telecom.voip
>
>And i quote "Jeffrey A. Citron the CEO of Vonage, was indicted for
>Securities Fraud in 2003
>(http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/comp17929.htm)"
>
>for more see the link
>
>http://damienkatz.net/2005/04/XXXX_vonage.html
>
So you are another that will hold what someone does against them for
the rest of their lives ! , I would think that most company chiefs in
the US have a skeleton in their cupboards just lke those of German
origin relate back to Hitler and his gang .
That is why I do not like buying anything with made in Germany ot for
that matter Japan stampted on it , had I thought Sipgate was German
in the first place I would never have gone anywhere near them .
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| Steve Loft 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> So you are another that will hold what someone does against them for
> the rest of their lives ! , I would think that most company chiefs in
> the US have a skeleton in their cupboards just lke those of German
> origin relate back to Hitler and his gang .
> That is why I do not like buying anything with made in Germany ot for
> that matter Japan stampted on it , had I thought Sipgate was German
> in the first place I would never have gone anywhere near them .
>
So, not only do *you* hold what someone does against them for the rest
of their lives - and beyond, you hold it against all people of the same
nationality! Most Germans and Japanese today weren't even born, 60 years
ago, FFS!
You really are a complete arse, aren't you?
--
Steve Loft
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2005 05:47:26 -0700, "Mathew Curtis"
> <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> So you are another that will hold what someone does against them for
> the rest of their lives ! , I would think that most company chiefs in
> the US have a skeleton in their cupboards just lke those of German
> origin relate back to Hitler and his gang .
> That is why I do not like buying anything with made in Germany ot for
> that matter Japan stampted on it , had I thought Sipgate was German
> in the first place I would never have gone anywhere near them .
No I am not holding anything against anyone we probably all have
skeletons in our cupboards somewhere I clearly stated what is a fact
and no more although you are prepared to not use sipgate because they
are German :-) any way we all have a right to our opinion so I think it
better to not get in to what is right and wrong lets just stick to the
facts Or the trolls will bitching :-)
Mat
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
| On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:59:09 GMT, Steve Loft <steve@nybbles.co.uk>
wrote:
>of their lives - and beyond, you hold it against all people of the same
>nationality! Most Germans and Japanese today weren't even born, 60 years
>ago, FFS!
What the Germans and Japanese did 60 or more years ago can NEVER be
forgiven ask Ariel Sharon and she if he is willing to forgive the
blasted German nation for what they did to the Jews .
Some of us lost family members and also had to live through the years
food rationing in this country immediately after war thanks to the
damn Germans .
So don't come lecturing me about what is right and what is wrong itis
just a pity the yanks didn't have a couple of spare A bombs to drop on
Berlin while they where at it .
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
|
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sijmg1tbdreqnc2u66stlnbc8u3r7iq3bo@
4ax.com
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:59:09 GMT, Steve Loft
> <steve@nybbles.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> What the Germans and Japanese did 60 or more years ago
> can NEVER be forgiven ask Ariel Sharon and she if he is
> willing to forgive the blasted German nation for what
> they did to the Jews .
> Some of us lost family members and also had to live
> through the years food rationing in this country
> immediately after war thanks to the damn Germans .
> So don't come lecturing me about what is right and what
> is wrong itis just a pity the yanks didn't have a couple
> of spare A bombs to drop on Berlin while they where at it
True, what happened in WW2 was unforgivable, but those who committed the
atrocities are, for the most part, no longer alive. To hold it against
those who just happen to live in the countries concerned 60 years later is
nothing short of ludicrous.
This, coupled with your recent behaviour (in particular a totally
unnecessary verbal attack on a woman in this group) means that your
credibility, Dexter, has fallen to zero in most people's eyes on this
group.
Now, as Joanna said, if you have something sensible to say please do,
otherwise desist and let this group get back to some semblance of
normality.
Ivor
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| gumusluk 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
| Here here !!!!
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
| On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:10:53 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>True, what happened in WW2 was unforgivable, but those who committed the
>atrocities are, for the most part, no longer alive.
You think you are a sole being Ivor with no links whatsoever in your
body to passed generations then think again you are formed from passed
generations of your family tree .
Scoff laugh do what you want but I know that I have a very strong link
to one of my family members who was killed in the first world war
again by the damned Germans .
To hold it against
>those who just happen to live in the countries concerned 60 years later is
>nothing short of ludicrous.
Try telling any Jew that it is ludicrous but be ready to run when you
do .
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|
| flibble wrote:
> Has anyone got any good, bad experiences of voipphone?
>
> I really just want a primary phone provider for my uni campus accomodation
> next year with our 34Meg broadband. I would go with Vonage, but I would feel
> a bit locked in, and I don't expect we will make £10 of calls a month. I
> also like all the call back type features in voiphone, and the fact they
> have peering arrangements etc.
>
Are you sure it'll work straight through the uni network?
Some places have normal NAT, but it's slower than through their HTTP
proxy. Also, your halls will be quite small?
Consider normal Skype - It'll run over a HTTP proxy out-of-the-box and
might be more reliable as a result.
BTW, what uni? :-)
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| Tony Stock 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
|
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:10:53 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> You think you are a sole being Ivor with no links whatsoever in your
> body to passed generations then think again you are formed from passed
> generations of your family tree .
> Scoff laugh do what you want but I know that I have a very strong link
> to one of my family members who was killed in the first world war
> again by the damned Germans .
> To hold it against
> Try telling any Jew that it is ludicrous but be ready to run when you
> do .
I am new to voip and when I found this group yesterday it looked like a
useful source of information now I see things differently I never
really got straight answers to my questions and now I can see that its
because you are all to busy talking bollocks what the XXXX has any of
this got to do with VOIP may be rename the group to uk.talk.bollocks I
think that would be more appropriate
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| Ivor Jones 2005-08-23, 5:45 pm |
|
"Tony Stock" <tonystock2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124825923.084314.19970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[snip]
> I am new to voip and when I found this group yesterday it
> looked like a useful source of information now I see
> things differently I never really got straight answers to
> my questions and now I can see that its because you are
> all to busy talking bollocks what the XXXX has any of
> this got to do with VOIP may be rename the group to
> uk.talk.bollocks I think that would be more appropriate
As you're new to the group and VoIP Tony, I can only apologise for the
unfortunate behaviour of some people here. I do not exclude myself in this
respect, I have been guilty of flaring up myself on occasion, but I have
sometimes been personally attacked for my views and statements and in
these cases I feel I have no option but to defend myself. If this causes
offence to others I can only apologise and repeat that I try to keep (my
own) off topic postings to a bare minimum..
Once again Tony, welcome to the group and please do stay a while and try
not to take the attitudes and behaviour of a small minority as normal for
the group, it is not and is as annoying to the rest of us as it is to you.
If I can be of any assistance in anything to do with VoIP, please ask.
Regards
Ivor
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"Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
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>
> I might just add a slight point to that; Voipfone understandably enable
> Outgoing RTP proxy when they preconfigure stuff, cos then they can be most
> sure everything will work. However, if your network supports it, it is
> better to do without an outgoing proxy, as your latency will be much lower
> (maybe just when calling other voip users as pstn calls would go through
> their servers anyway?). So you may like to try disabling in XLite or your
> plug and go adaptor.
>
Blimey - there you go. There may be some crap on this group but every day
there is a diamond nugget of information and this was today's. Blindly
following voipfone's "sipgate set up" tech guide I had indeed enabled
Outgoing RTP proxy. Will try without and see what happens.
Thank you.
L
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|
| In article <e69kg1dhrg758hg051ukbr0v2u7u56h63j@4ax.com>,
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> If you buy the Vonage router from Staples it isn't free and is still
> locked .
>
Is it subsidised? Like it could be cheaper because it is locked.
Locking products is a bad idea, locking mobile phones is not a great
idea either.
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|
| In article <1124789965.801386.16670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,=20
mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com says...
>=20
> If you sign up with vonage the adaptor is not free either no matter how
> they word it rather than saying phone adaptor =A323.99 they tell you its
> free and call the =A323.99 an activation fee what rubbish this type of
> misleading advertising is designed for one reason and one reason only
> and that is to misslead the consumer and this is the main reason i
> dumped vonage and moved to voipfone i suggest that people read the
> small print vonage seem to charge for everything you could ever want to
> do they even charge =A35.99 to switch plans
>=20
I noticed that myself, when I looked at their small print.
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|
| In article <1124819192.305576.204230@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
john@jch.biz says...
> Here here !!!!
>
>
That should be hear, hear, I presume.
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|
| In article <0nqmg11itgh65a98kcet686f8fd8ss9n57@4ax.com>,
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> You think you are a sole being Ivor with no links whatsoever in your
> body to passed generations then think again you are formed from passed
> generations of your family tree .
> Scoff laugh do what you want but I know that I have a very strong link
> to one of my family members who was killed in the first world war
> again by the damned Germans .
> To hold it against
> Try telling any Jew that it is ludicrous but be ready to run when you
> do .
>
I thought I was bad, but you take the cake. I am not fond of Germans,
but not because of the war. That is over a done with.
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-24, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:34:30 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>In article <1124789965.801386.16670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com says...
>
>I noticed that myself, when I looked at their small print.
But you don't need to pay Vonage a single penny other than the 9.99 a
month if you buy a Vonage enabled router from Staples for 29.99 and
even if you leave Vonage you are still left with a good 3 port router
which can be used with an ADSL or Cable connection .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-24, 8:45 pm |
| On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:42:42 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>I thought I was bad, but you take the cake. I am not fond of Germans,
>but not because of the war. That is over a done with.
Has I have already said using different words thy telling that to the
families of the hundreds of the British and allied service men and
women who where killed by the Germans . Try telling the families of
the hundreds of people killed in London ,Liverpool,,Manchester
and Coventry and all the other cities and towns that where bombed by
the bastards that they should all be forgiving and welcome all Germans
to their bosoms . Never in a million years should we forget what the
German nation did to this countries people and never ever should we
forgive them either .
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| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-24, 8:45 pm |
| On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:33:20 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>Is it subsidised? Like it could be cheaper because it is locked.
No it isn't subsidized just the opposite to a small degree it is
basically a Linksys 3 port router with two phone ports locked to the
vonage service now a straight Linksys 8 port router will cost around
50.00 which makes the 3 port one plus the phone ports a little
expensive depending on the way you look at it . At the time I bought
mine I bought the router just for the phone ports has they where
configured to Vonage with no fiddling about setting anything up.Since
that time I have now put the three Ethernet ports to good use also .
>Locking products is a bad idea, locking mobile phones is not a great
>idea either.
Much better than paying £ 200 plus for an unlocked one it only cost
me ten pounds to get my old contract phone unlocked a short while ago.
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|
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d76f840b45a2c959896c1@news.metronet.co.uk...
In article <1124789965.801386.16670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com says...
>
> If you sign up with vonage the adaptor is not free either no matter how
> they word it rather than saying phone adaptor £23.99 they tell you its
> free and call the £23.99 an activation fee what rubbish this type of
> misleading advertising is designed for one reason and one reason only
> and that is to misslead the consumer and this is the main reason i
> dumped vonage and moved to voipfone i suggest that people read the
> small print vonage seem to charge for everything you could ever want to
> do they even charge £5.99 to switch plans
>
I noticed that myself, when I looked at their small print.
-----------------------------
did you well how funny that i have never paid an activation fee or any
fee,even for my router for that matter, the only fee i pay is the 18.99 a
month charge.
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|
| In article <hftpg15di1agtdl95hcld4ebr28665q1ni@4ax.com>,
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> But you don't need to pay Vonage a single penny other than the 9.99 a
> month if you buy a Vonage enabled router from Staples for 29.99 and
> even if you leave Vonage you are still left with a good 3 port router
> which can be used with an ADSL or Cable connection .
>
But you still got to pay them to disconnect you. I can not see why the
router have to be locked to vonage. I wdon't buy anything that is locked
to a supplier.
But then we been though this all before.
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In article <gTgPe.628$KG4.387@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Boss@bossman.uk
says...
>
> I noticed that myself, when I looked at their small print.
> -----------------------------
> did you well how funny that i have never paid an activation fee or any
> fee,even for my router for that matter, the only fee i pay is the 18.99 a
> month charge.
>
>
Maybe not, but look in the small print. Just don't leave, it will cost
you.
| |
|
| In article <kvspg19bur9ao79tcfn356204smlrcdksb@4ax.com>,
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:42:42 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
> wrote:
> Has I have already said using different words thy telling that to the
> families of the hundreds of the British and allied service men and
> women who where killed by the Germans . Try telling the families of
> the hundreds of people killed in London ,Liverpool,,Manchester
> and Coventry and all the other cities and towns that where bombed by
> the bastards that they should all be forgiving and welcome all Germans
> to their bosoms . Never in a million years should we forget what the
> German nation did to this countries people and never ever should we
> forgive them either .
>
This country have done some awful things as well, in fact we are doing
it right now. Look at Iraq, our army have killed people in a country
they have no right to be in. at least the Germans did it in their own
country. Not that I agree with it mind you.
| |
|
| In article <pltpg159s5nj0ds9kv7ikuv9uprk7n6tvd@4ax.com>,=20
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:33:20 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> No it isn't subsidized just the opposite to a small degree it is
> basically a Linksys 3 port router with two phone ports locked to the
> vonage service now a straight Linksys 8 port router will cost around
> 50.00 which makes the 3 port one plus the phone ports a little
> expensive depending on the way you look at it . At the time I bought
> mine I bought the router just for the phone ports has they where
> configured to Vonage with no fiddling about setting anything up.Since
> that time I have now put the three Ethernet ports to good use also .
If it is not subsidized, then that is worse. If I pay for a product, I=20
expect the full use of the product, even if I do hnot use it with a=20
certain provider.
> Much better than paying =A3 200 plus for an unlocked one it only cost
> me ten pounds to get my old contract phone unlocked a short while ago.
>=20
I have never paid and never will pay =A3200 for a mobile phone, My phone=20
cost me =A330 and it is not locked, and I am on Pay as you go.
anyone who pays =A3200 for a phone is mad.
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| John Blessing 2005-08-25, 5:45 pm |
| "AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d784e16a1fcd18c9896cc@news.metronet.co.uk...
> In article <hftpg15di1agtdl95hcld4ebr28665q1ni@4ax.com>,
> Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
>
>
> But you still got to pay them to disconnect you. I can not see why the
> router have to be locked to vonage. I wdon't buy anything that is locked
> to a supplier.
> But then we been though this all before.
I asked Vonage Customer care about the disconnect charge, this was their
reply:
"Thank you for contacting Customer Care. In regard to your email, the
termination fee is something that is charged when an account is closed. If
you return your device to us within 14 days of canceling your account we
will refund the £23.99 termination charge to your credit card. The device
must be received in good condition."
--
John Blessing
http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
businesses
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for your meeting/class over the web.
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| Phil Thompson 2005-08-26, 2:45 am |
| On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:55:59 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>. at least the Germans did it in their own
>country.
lets hope the Poles, Russians, French etc etc aren't reading.
Phil
--
Remember - Global Warming is only a weather forecast :-)
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|
| In article <_HrPe.306$s4.174@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>,=20
jb@**REMOVE**THIS**Lbesoftware.com says...
> I asked Vonage Customer care about the disconnect charge, this was their=
=20
> reply:
>=20
> "Thank you for contacting Customer Care. In regard to your email, the=20
> termination fee is something that is charged when an account is closed. =
If=20
> you return your device to us within 14 days of canceling your account we=
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> will refund the =A323.99 termination charge to your credit card. The devi=
ce=20
> must be received in good condition."
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Then they should say that in their small print. If they will refund the=20
fee, after you return the equipment, then that is another matter. In=20
fact that means it could be a good way to try VOIP, with out too much=20
cost.
I can't remember if they had a minimun contract or not.
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| In article <ihjsg1tgbqmekqcck42rkln5t8nnnf4csk@4ax.com>,
phil.thompson@spamcop.net says...
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:55:59 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> lets hope the Poles, Russians, French etc etc aren't reading.
>
I espect they are, do you think they will do the same thing?
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"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d78e1604ee6854c9896d9@news.metronet.co.uk...
In article <_HrPe.306$s4.174@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>,
jb@**REMOVE**THIS**Lbesoftware.com says...
> I asked Vonage Customer care about the disconnect charge, this was their
> reply:
>
> "Thank you for contacting Customer Care. In regard to your email, the
> termination fee is something that is charged when an account is closed.
> If
> you return your device to us within 14 days of canceling your account we
> will refund the £23.99 termination charge to your credit card. The device
> must be received in good condition."
>
>
>
Then they should say that in their small print. If they will refund the
fee, after you return the equipment, then that is another matter. In
fact that means it could be a good way to try VOIP, with out too much
cost.
I can't remember if they had a minimun contract or not.
it personally wouldnt bother me about such a small fee really but jorses for
courses i suppose,each to their own and all that.
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-08-26, 5:45 pm |
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> Then they should say that in their small print. If they will refund the
> fee, after you return the equipment, then that is another matter. In
> fact that means it could be a good way to try VOIP, with out too much
> cost.
>
> I can't remember if they had a minimun contract or not.
>
> it personally wouldnt bother me about such a small fee really but jorses for
> courses i suppose,each to their own and all that.
why not just sign up for a trial account at voipfone
http://www.voipfone.co.uk/signup.php and you have no costs at all to
worry about
Mat
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| In article <vvAPe.351$6p6.118@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, Boss@bossman.uk=20
says...
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> I can't remember if they had a minimun contract or not.
>=20
> it personally wouldnt bother me about such a small fee really but jorses =
for=20
> courses i suppose,each to their own and all that.=20
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=A324 is =A324 at the end of the day, maybe you earn a huge wage, Not all o=
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us do. But then it is the people that earns less that keeps the people=20
with huge wages. =A324 is a lot of money to me, it pays my Gas, or=20
electric for a month.
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-26, 5:45 pm |
| On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:15:32 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>£24 is £24 at the end of the day, maybe you earn a huge wage, Not all of
>us do. But then it is the people that earns less that keeps the people
>with huge wages. £24 is a lot of money to me, it pays my Gas, or
>electric for a month.
£ 24 ISN'T a lot of money these days by any means you can bet the
adverage person in the UK will have spent more than that by the time
he/she gets back home tonight. By midnight next Wednesday
exactly £ 362.48 will have been removed from my bank account and this
happens every month and I am not even working never mind earning a
huge wage. But I don't go spending money in the boozer every time it
opens its doors either or spending silly money on holidays every year
either like a lot of people do .
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| UKHierarchy 2005-08-27, 7:45 am |
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<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:rl5vg1hempmi7g53jd1vu06805t0pk254f@
4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:15:32 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> £ 24 ISN'T a lot of money these days by any means you can bet the
> adverage person in the UK will have spent more than that by the time
> he/she gets back home tonight. By midnight next Wednesday
> exactly £ 362.48 will have been removed from my bank account and this
> happens every month and I am not even working never mind earning a
> huge wage. But I don't go spending money in the boozer every time it
> opens its doors either or spending silly money on holidays every year
> either like a lot of people do .
>
dex i do hope that wasnt aimed at me my old pal lol, i work hard and enjoy
myself sure and i expect to reap the fruits of my labour, you are quite
correct about the money though, i mean today alone i have already sspnt 480
quid mainly on so gulf air tickets, i am in now way having a go at people
who may earn less or whatever but moeny does seem to come and go as fast as
the wind doesnt it.
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| In article <rl5vg1hempmi7g53jd1vu06805t0pk254f@4ax.com>,=20
dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> =A3 24 ISN'T a lot of money these days by any means you can bet the
> adverage person in the UK will have spent more than that by the time
> he/she gets back home tonight. By midnight next Wednesday=20
I don't drink, so I know I would not pay spend that much by the time I=20
get back home tonight.=20
It just shows that the average person in this country are piss heads.=20
But I know that is not true, it is only some people that are.
> exactly =A3 362.48 will have been removed from my bank account and this
> happens every month and I am not even working never mind earning a=20
I take out about the same every month, it is called paying rent, bills,=20
council tax
> huge wage. But I don't go spending money in the boozer every time it
So how can you afford to spend that amount, also if you do not work,=20
then why was you spending so much money on your phone bills?
You was saying how much money you are saving with VOIP, I thought you=20
had a business or something?
You don't have to tell me if you don't want to, as it is not really any=20
of my business, but I was just wondering that all.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> opens its doors either or spending silly money on holidays every year
> either like a lot of people do .
I have not been on holiday for a few years, I am next year, that is for=20
sure.
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-08-27, 5:45 pm |
| On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:40:53 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>It just shows that the average person in this country are piss heads.
>But I know that is not true, it is only some people that are.
No you are wrong there is no way that I could go into the city by bus
have a few pints and a taxi home for less than £ 24.00 and I am only
taking about the amount of beer I used to drink not getting paralytic
drunk I used to spend around £ 14.00 on a Friday night back in 1960.
>So how can you afford to spend that amount, also if you do not work,
>then why was you spending so much money on your phone bills?
I don't get phone BILLS I pay service charges. because I used my
brain when I was much younger and actually know what the word savings
meant unlike a lot of the recent generations of layabouts do today
plus I have an interest in phones and phone services and like to use
them .The cost is immaterial to me I can't take it with me when I go
and I haven't got all that much left of my life now at the longest .
>You was saying how much money you are saving with VOIP, I thought you
>had a business or something?
One can save a hell of a lot of money with VOIP no line rental to
start with free UK and Irish calls to Geo numbers included for 9.99
oh don't start me off on that subject again !! .
>I have not been on holiday for a few years, I am next year, that is for
>sure.
My holidays are three or four 24hr shopping trips over to Belgium a
year to replenish our tobacco stocks I shall be off again by the end
of next month I should think .
My idea of a perfect " holiday" is staying put and watching the rest
of em jump in their cars and buggering off for a couple of weeks
taking their blasted kids with them and leaving me in piece .
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| UKHierarchy 2005-08-27, 5:45 pm |
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<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:s761h1ldg1tcbnl514nf6m1718p3hk6133@
4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:40:53 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
> wrote:
> No you are wrong there is no way that I could go into the city by bus
> have a few pints and a taxi home for less than £ 24.00 and I am only
> taking about the amount of beer I used to drink not getting paralytic
> drunk I used to spend around £ 14.00 on a Friday night back in 1960.
> I don't get phone BILLS I pay service charges. because I used my
> brain when I was much younger and actually know what the word savings
> meant unlike a lot of the recent generations of layabouts do today
> plus I have an interest in phones and phone services and like to use
> them .The cost is immaterial to me I can't take it with me when I go
> and I haven't got all that much left of my life now at the longest .
> One can save a hell of a lot of money with VOIP no line rental to
> start with free UK and Irish calls to Geo numbers included for 9.99
> oh don't start me off on that subject again !! .
> My holidays are three or four 24hr shopping trips over to Belgium a
> year to replenish our tobacco stocks I shall be off again by the end
> of next month I should think .
> My idea of a perfect " holiday" is staying put and watching the rest
> of em jump in their cars and buggering off for a couple of weeks
> taking their blasted kids with them and leaving me in piece .
adc i dont think ist for you or anyone else to question why dex spends all
that each month wether hes working or not.
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| In article <s761h1ldg1tcbnl514nf6m1718p3hk6133@4ax.com>,=20
dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> No you are wrong there is no way that I could go into the city by bus
> have a few pints and a taxi home for less than =A3 24.00 and I am only
> taking about the amount of beer I used to drink not getting paralytic
> drunk I used to spend around =A3 14.00 on a Friday night back in 1960.
> I don't get phone BILLS I pay service charges. because I used my
> brain when I was much younger and actually know what the word savings
> meant unlike a lot of the recent generations of layabouts do today
> plus I have an interest in phones and phone services and like to use
> them .The cost is immaterial to me I can't take it with me when I go
> and I haven't got all that much left of my life now at the longest .
You did not have to tell me all of that.
But I do undertsand what you are getting at. I don't drink, well not=20
very often, I may go out for a drink about once every 6 months.=20
I do not see the sense in spending all the money and then peeing it all=20
up against the wall, I also like to know what I am doing and not do=20
something that I will regret in the momrning. I gone past my days of=20
doing that.
I suppose that is why now, I spend money on silly things, like=20
Computers, and other technology stuff.
You are right, you can't take it with you. I had a few thousand quid=20
from accident I had, and I spent it on things I want, I still got a bit=20
left , but not much.=20
[vbcol=seagreen]
> One can save a hell of a lot of money with VOIP no line rental to
> start with free UK and Irish calls to Geo numbers included for 9.99
> oh don't start me off on that subject again !! .
As I said, if you have to pay line rentals, which most people do, then=20
you don't save money.
Another mate of mine, who lives in the countryside, have now got ADSL,=20
BT decided to make the exchange live in June. I went there yesterday to=20
set up the wireless network and to sort his computer and the laptop out.=20
We was talking about VOIP and he was wondering if iwas worth getting=20
just to get another line for the fax. I did read somewhere that fax can=20
be used on VOIP. I think it could be a good idea, but Vonage is not the=20
way to go as they charge a monthly fee, which is fine if he was going to=20
send loads of faxees every day.
> My holidays are three or four 24hr shopping trips over to Belgium a
> year to replenish our tobacco stocks I shall be off again by the end
> of next month I should think .
I don't smoke, so I would not see that as a holiday, anyway, I hate=20
shopping.
> My idea of a perfect " holiday" is staying put and watching the rest
> of em jump in their cars and buggering off for a couple of weeks
> taking their blasted kids with them and leaving me in piece .
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That is true, I am off work this week and I wish the kids was back at=20
school.
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| In article <mY1Qe.820$x4.745@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, UK@Hierarchy.uk
says...
>
> adc i dont think ist for you or anyone else to question why dex spends all
> that each month wether hes working or not.
>
>
>
I did say, he did not have to answer, I was curious.
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