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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
| I can dial out ok but can't receive calls .
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> I can dial out ok but can't receive calls .
Same here, been quite happy with voipfone, but it's getting a little
annoying now
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| Mark Adamson 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
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<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:er0sh19f5di8v5vpfkid050nma6ed1kokt@
4ax.com...
>I can dial out ok but can't receive calls .
it's working here at 10.40, but i don't know if it was working here earlier
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
| On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:40:39 +0100, "Mark Adamson"
<fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
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><dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:er0sh19f5di8v5vpfkid050nma6ed1kokt@
4ax.com...
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>it's working here at 10.40, but i don't know if it was working here earlier
>
Working here now had it been Sipgate we would have been lucky to have
had service by lunchtime tomorrow .
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:o54sh1le5370mc65lu855g6hvmaigbrlhk@
4ax.com...>
> Working here now had it been Sipgate we would have been lucky to have
> had service by lunchtime tomorrow .
Eyevor would have fixed it for you though due to his connectiosn
--
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"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely."
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> I can dial out ok but can't receive calls .
Incoming are now working, and they have e-mailed me saying they are not
aware of any problems! So, its been fixed whatever was wrong
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
| On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:10:16 +0100, Sean
<seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>Same here, been quite happy with voipfone, but it's getting a little
>annoying now
So they have been troublesome lately then Sean ! I tend to use my
Vonage lines now and just use their mobile call back service when out
but that has been proving a hit and miss affair lately .
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| Kali Vandenberg 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
| Vonage are nothing short of the ultimate voip provider in the world
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"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely."
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| Kali Vandenberg wrote:
> Vonage are nothing short of the ultimate voip provider in the world
>
Fair enough, but i don't like the way they work. 
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
| On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:08:18 +0100, Sean
<seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
>Incoming are now working, and they have e-mailed me saying they are not
>aware of any problems! So, its been fixed whatever was wrong
That sounds like the sort of message Ivor puts out on behalf of
Sipgate ))) .
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:08:18 +0100, Sean
> <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> That sounds like the sort of message Ivor puts out on behalf of
> Sipgate ))) .
Ok, this newsgroup can go screw itself.
Everyone is so immature.
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| Mathew Curtis 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
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dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> I can dial out ok but can't receive calls .
Working ok here and the kids have been getting calls all night
Mat
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| Kali Vandenberg 2005-09-06, 5:45 pm |
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"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dfl5rs$s03$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
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> Ok, this newsgroup can go screw itself.
>
> Everyone is so immature.
chill out brother, cant you have a laugh
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
| On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:46:11 GMT, "Kali Vandenberg"
<08712202123@kali.org.ie> wrote:
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>"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:dfl5rs$s03$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>.
>
>chill out brother, cant you have a laugh
>
Just wondering myself I wasn't having a dig at him .
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
| On 6 Sep 2005 15:40:24 -0700, "Mathew Curtis"
<mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
>Working ok here and the kids have been getting calls all night
Well it has been off out only no incoming calls at all .
I just cannot understand why some people have full service and others
do not it was just the same years ago when the isp "Red Hot Ant"was
all the rage some people where saying they could not connect yet
others like myself where having no problems at all .
Don't ask me how but I do seriously believe that BT has a hand in all
this somewhere .
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
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<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:er0sh19f5di8v5vpfkid050nma6ed1kokt@
4ax.com
> I can dial out ok but can't receive calls .
What..? There's a company other than Sipgate with problems..?! I don't
believe it..!
How long before you start saying anyone using Voipfone is wasting their
time, eh..? Or are they ok because they aren't German and because I don't
use them..?!
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
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"Kali Vandenberg" <08712202123@kali.org.ie> wrote in
message news:dzoTe.1618$st1.263@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net
> Vonage are nothing short of the ultimate voip provider in
> the world
If you say so, Stefan.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
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<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:qd9sh1l7ugm5bedvhpd45lff54hqe5jaok@
4ax.com
> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:46:11 GMT, "Kali Vandenberg"
> <08712202123@kali.org.ie> wrote:
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> Just wondering myself I wasn't having a dig at him .
Why not, you have one at me all the time.
Ivor
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:01:40 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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><dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:qd9sh1l7ugm5bedvhpd45lff54hqe5jaok@
4ax.com
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>Why not, you have one at me all the time.
You deserve it Ivor when you stop saying Sipgate are the best thing in
the voip provider world then the digs will stop .
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 00:53:20 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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><dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:er0sh19f5di8v5vpfkid050nma6ed1kokt@
4ax.com
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>What..? There's a company other than Sipgate with problems..?! I don't
>believe it..!
>
>How long before you start saying anyone using Voipfone is wasting their
>time, eh..? Or are they ok because they aren't German and because I don't
>use them..?!
>
>Ivor
>
Voipfone have one hell of a way to go before they sink to Sipgates
level of incompetence and their voicemail is accessible to all who
don't poses a uni degree in the German language .
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-06, 8:45 pm |
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<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ugcsh15sc0q5j0udu1rro6t1gsrubhb791@
4ax.com
[snip]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> You deserve it Ivor when you stop saying Sipgate are the
> best thing in the voip provider world then the digs will
> stop .
Check your facts. I have never once said Sipgate are the best. I have said
that I find their service good, and yes I have defended them against
unfounded allegations, but I have never *once* used the word "best".
None of the providers are "best" not even your beloved Vonage. Each has
good and bad points which make each of them better for individuals.
Sipgate suits me, Vonage suits you. I have no problem with that, as I have
said. But you do not hear me slagging off Vonage at every opportunity,
despite the fact that I disagree strongly with their policy of locking
equipment and their high monthly charges (I won't say rental..!)
Now can we leave it there, please..?
Ivor
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| In article <er0sh19f5di8v5vpfkid050nma6ed1kokt@4ax.com>,
dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> I can dial out ok but can't receive calls .
>
Oh fantastic reliable VOIP, is it really worth the bother?
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| In article <dfl586$rog$1@news.freedom2surf.net>,
seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk says...
> Kali Vandenberg wrote:
> Fair enough, but i don't like the way they work.
>
I know someone who is thinking of VOIP and we had a look at Vonage, but
he don't like the way they work either. the ten pound a month thing put
him right off.
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| In article <o54sh1le5370mc65lu855g6hvmaigbrlhk@4ax.com>,
dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:40:39 +0100, "Mark Adamson"
> <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote:
>
> Working here now had it been Sipgate we would have been lucky to have
> had service by lunchtime tomorrow .
>
Give it a rest, so you don't like Sipgate, but who cares? You are a
right prat, just like stefan
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| In article <dfl5rs$s03$1@news.freedom2surf.net>,
seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk says...
> Ok, this newsgroup can go screw itself.
>
> Everyone is so immature.
>
I know, it is like trying to cope with a load of five year olds.
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| In article <qlcsh1h4lhn498bhrhc6joi1qrv0bvdgt2@4ax.com>,
dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...> >
> Voipfone have one hell of a way to go before they sink to Sipgates
> level of incompetence and their voicemail is accessible to all who
> don't poses a uni degree in the German language .
>
Maybe they think we should learn German, after all, most people in this
country do not learn another language
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-07, 7:45 am |
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"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d88a5a3c818d2799897b1@news.metronet.co.uk
> In article <er0sh19f5di8v5vpfkid050nma6ed1kokt@4ax.com>,
> dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> Oh fantastic reliable VOIP, is it really worth the bother?
I just don't *have* this trouble, how did I get lucky..? (No, I'd better
not tempt them..!)
Ivor
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| Brian A 2005-09-07, 7:45 am |
| On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:46:11 GMT, "Kali Vandenberg"
<08712202123@kali.org.ie> wrote:
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>"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:dfl5rs$s03$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>.
>
>chill out brother, cant you have a laugh
>
OK, a laugh might be the odd comment but the constant jibing by some
people, of Ivor, is just harassment. Let's call it a draw eh. He is
trying to help others in his own way. If he works for Sipgate then you
would not expect him to speak badly of them. He is not pretending to
be unbiased.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-07, 7:45 am |
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:30:14 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>In article <qlcsh1h4lhn498bhrhc6joi1qrv0bvdgt2@4ax.com>,
>dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...> >
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>Maybe they think we should learn German, after all, most people in this
>country do not learn another language
And why should we .
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-07, 7:45 am |
| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:22:50 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>In article <er0sh19f5di8v5vpfkid050nma6ed1kokt@4ax.com>,
>dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
>Oh fantastic reliable VOIP, is it really worth the bother?
>
>
Every dog is allowed one bite Sipgate should be put down they bite
someone every week.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-07, 5:45 pm |
|
"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kfgth11m6sal7raj0copvth61qego5ptdt@
4ax.com
[snip]
> OK, a laugh might be the odd comment but the constant
> jibing by some people, of Ivor, is just harassment. Let's
> call it a draw eh. He is trying to help others in his own
> way. If he works for Sipgate then you would not expect
> him to speak badly of them. He is not pretending to be
> unbiased.
As I have repeatedly said, I *don't* work for them, although if they
offered me a job I might be tempted ;-)
I genuinely do not seem to have the problems that others here do. Apart
from the voicemail, which will be sorted, I'm sure.
Ivor
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| £££££££££@££££££££ 2005-09-07, 5:45 pm |
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:3o88q4F4ocimU1@individual.net...
> I genuinely do not seem to have the problems that others here do. Apart
> from the voicemail, which will be sorted, I'm sure.
>
>
That would be bcause you are part of the top brass wouldnt it ivor, you know
you may as well admit it
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| In article <71lth19ih2p3pilocie741rb4moo3jqo17@4ax.com>,
dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> And why should we .
>
It is not a bad idea to learn another language, after all, people in
other countries learn English.
I am trying to learn a bit of Italian, since I am going to Italy next
year for a Holiday, I think it is only right that I should try and speak
in their tongue.
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| In article <3o7mtnF4jjcqU1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
>
> I just don't *have* this trouble, how did I get lucky..? (No, I'd better
> not tempt them..!)
>
Not being funny Ivor and don't take this the worng way, but any one who
is looking at VOIP and they come across this newsgroup, could be easly
put off, by the childish prats that are on here.
Would anyone take any notice of Stefan, Dextor and their clones. Well
they seem to copy each other, so they may as well be clones.
People are not getting the information they want.
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-07, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:52:13 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>I am trying to learn a bit of Italian, since I am going to Italy next
>year for a Holiday, I think it is only right that I should try and speak
>in their tongue.
But the English language is the dominant language this is proved by
the speaking and understanding of the English language being a
condition of being granted a civil or commercial pilots licence no
requirment to speak any other language is necessary but English is a
must ! .
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| In article <3o88q4F4ocimU1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
>
>
> As I have repeatedly said, I *don't* work for them, although if they
> offered me a job I might be tempted ;-)
If the pay is right?
> I genuinely do not seem to have the problems that others here do. Apart
> from the voicemail, which will be sorted, I'm sure.
>
I think a lot of the problem is that some people don't have any idea
what they are doing. I buy a lot of my computer products from Ebuyer,
because they are cheap and they seem to offer a good service. I read the
reviews from other people on the site, but some of the reviewers, just
don't have any idea. They say about problems they have had and to avoid
a certain product, but if I buy it, I gets it working.
For example, I got a cheap socket A PC chips motherboard, to build a
budget computer for my neighbours daughter. Most of the reviews said it
was rubbish and it had problems with stability and anything else you can
think off. One person even said he could not find anywhere to plug a
monitor in, it had an AGP slot for Christ sake and no on board graphics
was in the description. Anyway, I got the board, a chip and memory,
stuck it all together, loaded windows onto the computer and away it
went. No problems and it is still working strong after 12 months, with
only a minor problem with the bios thinking the chip was a AMd MP chip[
instead of a Sempron. I reset the bios and all was back to normal.
So maybe the problems people get with sipgate is because they got no
idea what they are doing. If they want something is easy, then they
should go with Vonage, as you take the router out of the box, plug it is
and that is all you do.
I know I went on a bit, but I am trying to get something over.
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-07, 5:45 pm |
|
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d893caa3e3b8ae89897c8@news.metronet.co.uk
> In article <3o88q4F4ocimU1@individual.net>,
> ivor@despammed.invalid says...
>
>
> If the pay is right?
Indeed ;-)
>
> I think a lot of the problem is that some people don't
> have any idea what they are doing. I buy a lot of my
> computer products from Ebuyer, because they are cheap and
> they seem to offer a good service. I read the reviews
> from other people on the site, but some of the reviewers,
> just don't have any idea. They say about problems they
> have had and to avoid a certain product, but if I buy it,
> I gets it working.
This is the hub of the problem. VoIP relies on a lot of user-configurable
equipment, and if the user fiddles or doesn't know how to set it up in the
first place, then they get problems. I'd guess that 90% of problems are
down to misconfiguration rather than network problems.
A lot of people blame the providers for this, but they can't be expected
to configure every user's equipment for them, if they haven't sold it in
the first place. All equipment that Sipgate sell comes pre-configured for
the user's account details, so it *should* work out of the box, but
sometimes the user doesn't understand the parts they *do* have to set,
like port forwarding etc. This definitely *isn't* the network's fault..!
> For example, I got a cheap socket A PC chips motherboard,
> to build a budget computer for my neighbours daughter.
> Most of the reviews said it was rubbish and it had
> problems with stability and anything else you can think
> off. One person even said he could not find anywhere to
> plug a monitor in, it had an AGP slot for Christ sake and
> no on board graphics was in the description. Anyway, I
> got the board, a chip and memory, stuck it all together,
> loaded windows onto the computer and away it went. No
> problems and it is still working strong after 12 months,
> with only a minor problem with the bios thinking the chip
> was a AMd MP chip[ instead of a Sempron. I reset the bios
> and all was back to normal.
>
>
> So maybe the problems people get with sipgate is because
> they got no idea what they are doing. If they want
> something is easy, then they should go with Vonage, as
> you take the router out of the box, plug it is and that
> is all you do.
But have people *never* had problems with Vonage..? I doubt it, and with
their equipment being locked you can't change things anyway.
> I know I went on a bit, but I am trying to get something
> over.
Feel free, I also tend to go on when I'm on a mission ;-)
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-07, 5:45 pm |
|
<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:veauh15dihj61grg3a3cjllh85i9vb53vo@
4ax.com
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:52:13 +0100, AD C
> <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote:
>
> But the English language is the dominant language this is
> proved by the speaking and understanding of the English
> language being a condition of being granted a civil or
> commercial pilots licence no requirment to speak any
> other language is necessary but English is a must ! .
I take it you've never spoken to French Air Traffic Control then ;-)
Ivor
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| dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2005-09-07, 5:45 pm |
| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:56:14 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
>People are not getting the information they want.
Depends what people want if all they want to read is Ivor saying how
wonderful Sipgate is then they can believe it if they want to but do
not knock people who tell it has it really is !! .
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| Ivor Jones 2005-09-07, 5:45 pm |
|
<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:evfuh1h3hhbdkmk9u9ch67dpmqkpj1r3rt@
4ax.com
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:56:14 +0100, AD C
> <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Depends what people want if all they want to read is Ivor
> saying how wonderful Sipgate is then they can believe it
> if they want to but do not knock people who tell it has
> it really is !! .
For crying out loud learn to spell..! The word "as" does not have an "h"
at the start of it.
You don't want people knocking you, well neither do I, it works both ways.
Ivor
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| In article <evfuh1h3hhbdkmk9u9ch67dpmqkpj1r3rt@4ax.com>,
dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
>
> Depends what people want if all they want to read is Ivor saying how
> wonderful Sipgate is then they can believe it if they want to but do
> not knock people who tell it has it really is !! .
>
When was the last time you used Sipgate?
I still think a lot of the problems is people not knowing what they are
doing, I am not knocking them, because it seems like sipgate is more for
people who want to fiddle around and set up the system their way. Vonage
is more of a plug and pray system, which is maybe why people don't have
the problems.
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"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8980921e687d6d9897e2@news.metronet.co.uk...
.. Vonage
> is more of a plug and pray system, which is maybe why people don't have
> the problems.
*PRAY -- well one has never used my 4 vonage systems to PRAY
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| In article <3o8pr7F4sh00U1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
>
> Indeed ;-)
That is what it is all about.
>
> This is the hub of the problem. VoIP relies on a lot of user-configurable
> equipment, and if the user fiddles or doesn't know how to set it up in the
> first place, then they get problems. I'd guess that 90% of problems are
> down to misconfiguration rather than network problems.
That is also the same with the internet and networks.
> A lot of people blame the providers for this, but they can't be expected
> to configure every user's equipment for them, if they haven't sold it in
> the first place. All equipment that Sipgate sell comes pre-configured for
> the user's account details, so it *should* work out of the box, but
> sometimes the user doesn't understand the parts they *do* have to set,
> like port forwarding etc. This definitely *isn't* the network's fault..!
I agree, and port forwarding can be a bit daunting for anyone to work
out. I am getting the hang of it now, as I got software that needs port
fowarding.
>
> But have people *never* had problems with Vonage..? I doubt it, and with
> their equipment being locked you can't change things anyway.
I expect some may have, as I have said, no service is flawless.
>
>
> Feel free, I also tend to go on when I'm on a mission ;-)
>
I goes on a bit too much sometimes.
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| In article <vgKTe.1070$Q%2.699@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
donteventry@spammingme.ie says...
>
> *PRAY -- well one has never used my 4 vonage systems to PRAY
>
>
Yes Pray. I comes from b uying hardware for your computer, plugging it
in and praying that it will work. It is instead of Plug and play.
Things are better now in the computer world, but not some many years
ago, plug and play did not always works as it should.
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