Voice Over IP in UK - High latency connection

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High latency connection - advise, pls

BigBen

2006-03-10, 7:45 am

Hi All,

I'm using broadband over a CDMA50 wireless conection, and have high
latency figures - around 300 ms at best, 500 at worst.

Which kind of VoIP service, or which codec(s), would be more suitable
for these conditions?

TIA,
jbr

alexd

2006-03-16, 7:45 am

BigBen wrote:

> I'm using broadband over a CDMA50 wireless conection, and have high
> latency figures - around 300 ms at best, 500 at worst.
>
> Which kind of VoIP service, or which codec(s), would be more suitable
> for these conditions?

The shorter the sample time, the better. However, I don't think you're going
to have much luck with VoIP - even analogue would sound rubbish with 500ms
latency!

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BigBen

2006-03-16, 5:45 pm

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:11:11 GMT, alexd <look@my.sig> wrote:

>The shorter the sample time, the better. However, I don't think you're going
>to have much luck with VoIP - even analogue would sound rubbish with 500ms
>latency!

OK, how about with 300 ms latency? That's the best I can get, on a
good day, and I'm hoping for better wireless connection one of
these... weeks, maybe.

TIA
jbr

stephen

2006-03-16, 5:45 pm

"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message news:4099227.iQbh0AfSvI@ale.cx...
> BigBen wrote:
>

left this for a while to see if you got some +ve answers, as i all have
comments rather than relevant experience.

i think the killer here is the implied jitter - i dont know if any of the
common phones / codecs that cope with 200 mSec.

if the delay over short term is more stable then maybe you can get something
to work, but my 3G card (in a laptop) gives similar latencies, and it seems
to pick the delay at random for each packet.
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>
> The shorter the sample time, the better. However, I don't think you're
going
> to have much luck with VoIP - even analogue would sound rubbish with 500ms
> latency!
>
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> 08:08:39 up 3 days, 22:54, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.00
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BigBen

2006-03-17, 7:45 am

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:53:14 GMT, "stephen"
<stephen_hope@xyzworld.com> wrote:

>i think the killer here is the implied jitter - i dont know if any of the
>common phones / codecs that cope with 200 mSec.
>
>if the delay over short term is more stable then maybe you can get something
>to work, but my 3G card (in a laptop) gives similar latencies, and it seems
>to pick the delay at random for each packet.

Same thing here. The 500 ms latency I mentioned, is average latency -
sometimes smaller, others larger still!

Today I changed config, and I'm getting 400 ms (average) latency.

Curious about your 3G connection - is that really working on 3G, r
just GPRS, due to network coverage limitations?

Around here Vodafone has just relased an HSDPA card, with the promise
of 1.8 Mbps, but I'd like to know the jiter/latency issues with this,
before separating from my money for one those.

For what it's worth, I seem to get better results using Skype, other
than anything else I've tried so far, except for calls to the country
Iive in, in which case any VoIP provider service just does not work
(with my system).

regards,
jbr

stephen

2006-03-17, 5:45 pm

"BigBen" <go.spam@somewhere.else> wrote in message
news:441ab280.269046@news20.forteinc.com...
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:53:14 GMT, "stephen"
> <stephen_hope@xyzworld.com> wrote:
>
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>
> Same thing here. The 500 ms latency I mentioned, is average latency -
> sometimes smaller, others larger still!
>
> Today I changed config, and I'm getting 400 ms (average) latency.
>
> Curious about your 3G connection - is that really working on 3G, r
> just GPRS, due to network coverage limitations?

GPRS can be well over 1 sec latency (or was, last time i had to use it
around a year back)

in the UK there is reasonable 3G coverage in built up places - this is a
combined 3G / GPRS (NEC?) card badged by Vodafone

i have a "forced 3G" profile on it at present, since in some buildings it
keeps flicking between 3G and GPRS - which is worse than GPRS when you run a
VPN client since it can take 20 sec to swap over.....
>
> Around here Vodafone has just relased an HSDPA card, with the promise
> of 1.8 Mbps, but I'd like to know the jiter/latency issues with this,
> before separating from my money for one those.

3G card comes up claiming 384Kbps - it regularly bursts at 100 Kbps+ - but
the latency means it isnt much fun to use with interactive apps (corporate
outlook is the worst i use frequently)

the old joke about "it isnt good, but its better than nothing?"
>
> For what it's worth, I seem to get better results using Skype, other
> than anything else I've tried so far, except for calls to the country
> Iive in, in which case any VoIP provider service just does not work
> (with my system).
>
> regards,
> jbr
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BigBen

2006-03-18, 2:45 am

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:44:23 GMT, "stephen"
<stephen_hope@xyzworld.com> wrote:

>GPRS can be well over 1 sec latency (or was, last time i had to use it
>around a year back)

What a joke ...

Anyway, HSDPA, promises latencies around 100ms - you can try googleing
"HSDPA latency", and see the claims.

Hoping it comes true.

Until then, I can't figure why, but while I can get VoIP acceptable
connections for other countries, it's just about out of question for
the country I live in :-() Go figure.

I don't like the price of both the HSDPA card, nor the services fees
I've seen so far - from 2 diferent mobile networks - but I'm hoping
these to come down as the 3rd one, with the least masket share, debuts
its commercial offer.

Good luck on your wireless surfing!

jbr