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| ¬Stephen Hammond 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| What's the number like is it a 056 number ?
Stephen
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| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:22 -0000, "¬Stephen Hammond"
<Stephen7372@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What's the number like is it a 056 number ?
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>Stephen
>
I would like to know how one dials these numbers from within the uk, I
have tried dialing my voipcheap 056 number every which way around but
still get the unobtainable tone .
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| Paul Cupis 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:22 -0000, "¬Stephen Hammond"
> <Stephen7372@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I would like to know how one dials these numbers from within the uk, I
> have tried dialing my voipcheap 056 number every which way around but
> still get the unobtainable tone .
Have you tried calling via BT?
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| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:09:12 +0000, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
wrote:
>M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
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>Have you tried calling via BT?
Don't have BT Paul wouldn't give em house room anymore and that goes
for the Telewest phone service also .
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| Paul Cupis 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:09:12 +0000, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> Don't have BT Paul wouldn't give em house room anymore and that goes
> for the Telewest phone service also .
So you haven't tried it "every which way around" then.
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| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:30:04 +0000, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
wrote:
>M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
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>So you haven't tried it "every which way around" then.
Apart from the two ways mentioned I have tried it every which way
round even via my mobile. BT and Telewest are for the most part
blanked out of my mind and words which I find most objectionable
just like the numbers 0870, those three belong in the same box in my
book .
Thank God for www.saynoto0870.com and VOIP .
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| Colin Forrester 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| GwG wrote:
>therefore making 0560 numbers virtually
> worthless, because most people on NTL will not be able to ring you.
Oh I don't know - that might be an advantage.
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| Brian A 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:03:49 GMT, "GwG"
<sorrythisdoesntwork@guess.uk.co> wrote:
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><M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:55pl12161747j577qnm5urnhhv1oeicut2@
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>0560 numbers are not accepted by most NTL exchanges, and NTL refuse to
>enable these exchanges, therefore making 0560 numbers virtually
>worthless, because most people on NTL will not be able to ring you.
>
If you are dialling via an ATA then just include the following in your
dial plan.
<056:004456>xx.<:@sipbroker.com>
You don't need to do anything more than that. I don't suppose that all
056 numbers will work but my voipfone one does. If there are any
others that you want to call you can register them. Visit
sipbroker.com for details.
Of course, if you want people from cable to call you then you are
stuck - unless, of course, they call via 18866 etc. - the charge to
056 numbers, afaik, is tha same as for standard geographics. There
should be no trouble calling from BT - again, for the most part, 056
is considered the same as geographic.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2006-03-17, 5:45 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:03:31 GMT, Brian A
<no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Of course, if you want people from cable to call you then you are
>stuck - unless, of course, they call via 18866 etc. - the charge to
>056 numbers, afaik, is tha same as for standard geographics. There
>should be no trouble calling from BT - again, for the most part, 056
>is considered the same as geographic.
Ok then Brian if someone was to call me using my voipcheap number
which is +445601562XXX what would they have to dial using their
expensive BT line or even more expensive telewest line taking into
consideration the extortionate 6p pr call surcharge .
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| Paul Cupis 2006-03-17, 8:45 pm |
| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
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> Ok then Brian if someone was to call me using my voipcheap number
> which is +445601562XXX what would they have to dial
05601562xxx - what do you think they'd have to dial?
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| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2006-03-17, 8:45 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:51:47 +0000, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
wrote:
>M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
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>05601562xxx - what do you think they'd have to dial?
How long has your name been Brian ? get back to sticking up for all
the 0870 rip off merchants Paul .
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| Brian A 2006-03-19, 11:21 am |
| On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:34:05 GMT, M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:03:31 GMT, Brian A
><no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Ok then Brian if someone was to call me using my voipcheap number
>which is +445601562XXX what would they have to dial using their
>expensive BT line or even more expensive telewest line taking into
>consideration the extortionate 6p pr call surcharge .
1. Afaik you can't dial 056 numbers from NTL cable - not sure about TW
- all same company now anyway. That is why I said "you are stuck".
2. You can dial 056 numbers via the 18866 group on cable (and, of
course, BT) and the cost is the same as geo - or so the last
announcement I heard stated - i.e. the connection charge then 0p/min
3. It was posted, I think on the uk.telecom group, that the cost of
dialling 056 numbers, from BT, was the same as geographic and that
they were included in the packages in a similar, though not exactly
the same way, as geos. You'd have to google back to find the exact
detail - or check out with the uk.telecom group.
Until NTL included 056 numbers, and treat them the same as geos, which
they should, 056 number use is rather limited. Ofcom should give NTL a
kick over this. They don't seem to act over simple everyday things
that consumers need sorting out. They seem to me to be typical
administrators - good at procrastinating over wordy documents and
equally so on getting things done.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| Paul Cupis 2006-03-19, 11:21 am |
| Brian A wrote:
> 3. It was posted, I think on the uk.telecom group, that the cost of
> dialling 056 numbers, from BT, was the same as geographic and that
> they were included in the packages in a similar, though not exactly
> the same way, as geos. You'd have to google back to find the exact
> detail - or check out with the uk.telecom group.
BT Together discounts for geographic calls "includes calls to any number
range charged at g21 rates and shown as 11 under Categorisation for
Customer Options in Section 2 Part 10"
http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/...s.boo/31853.htm
http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/...s.boo/00251.htm
According to Customer Options 2/10, g21 includes a bunch of 055 ranges
and all of 056.
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M=2EDexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:22 -0000, "=ACStephen Hammond"
> <Stephen7372@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I would like to know how one dials these numbers from within the uk, I
> have tried dialing my voipcheap 056 number every which way around but
> still get the unobtainable tone .
It seems like everyone has summarised this pretty well by now. NTL
don't cover these numbers directly, but almost everyone else does, at
similar cost to ordinary landlines not to 0870s (though BT may be
slightly higher than ordinary numbers, 5p/min).
I don't think anybody has answered the original question - what type of
numbers do internetcalls issue? And perhaps we could add their sister
companies to the question.
I believe I've read that some people get geographic numbers and some do
not, but I can't remember where I saw this, and there wasn't any detail
of differences. Perhaps for example they have a restricted number of
area codes and only issue to people in the areas in question.
Does anybody actually know this, and can answer it clearly, without
further irrelevant tirades against the numbers, NTL, Ofcom, etc? Thank
you
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"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Until NTL included 056 numbers, and treat them the same as geos, which
> they should, 056 number use is rather limited. Ofcom should give NTL a
> kick over this. They don't seem to act over simple everyday things
> that consumers need sorting out. They seem to me to be typical
> administrators - good at procrastinating over wordy documents and
> equally so on getting things done.
>
NTL told me a few months ago that they had no intention of enabling more
exchanges to accept 0560 numbers. I passed this information on to Ofcom,
who were very concerned with the situation, and they did investigate it,
but found that they had no powers to force NTL to enable 0560 numbers.
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| Colin Forrester 2006-03-19, 11:21 am |
| GwG wrote:
> NTL told me a few months ago that they had no intention of enabling more
> exchanges to accept 0560 numbers. I passed this information on to Ofcom,
> who were very concerned with the situation, and they did investigate it,
> but found that they had no powers to force NTL to enable 0560 numbers.
But is the same Ofcom which can compel telcos to deliver calls using the
new 101 number. What a strange World we live in.
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| Chris Heaton 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
| I have three internet lines, one with Skype, one with VOIP Cheap and the
other with Vonage.
I am not sure why everyone is talking about "056" numbers because with each
of these services I could select a number in any city I wanted. All my
numbers are normal 0121 (Birmingham UK) numbers but I could have just as
easily selected numbers in London or Manchester etc. I could even select a
number abroad if I wanted!
To find out why not install VOIP Cheap, both the calls and landline numbers
are Free!
Chris
"andy" <andy.ggrps@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:22 -0000, "¬Stephen Hammond"
> <Stephen7372@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to know how one dials these numbers from within the uk, I
> have tried dialing my voipcheap 056 number every which way around but
> still get the unobtainable tone .
It seems like everyone has summarised this pretty well by now. NTL
don't cover these numbers directly, but almost everyone else does, at
similar cost to ordinary landlines not to 0870s (though BT may be
slightly higher than ordinary numbers, 5p/min).
I don't think anybody has answered the original question - what type of
numbers do internetcalls issue? And perhaps we could add their sister
companies to the question.
I believe I've read that some people get geographic numbers and some do
not, but I can't remember where I saw this, and there wasn't any detail
of differences. Perhaps for example they have a restricted number of
area codes and only issue to people in the areas in question.
Does anybody actually know this, and can answer it clearly, without
further irrelevant tirades against the numbers, NTL, Ofcom, etc? Thank
you
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| > I am not sure why everyone is talking about "056" numbers
No-one has given me a compelling reason why anyone would want one of these
numbers.
I can see why people might want 0800, 0845, 0870 and 0871 but 056?
Am I missing something?
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| Thomas Kenyon 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
| DMac wrote:
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> No-one has given me a compelling reason why anyone would want one of these
> numbers.
> I can see why people might want 0800, 0845, 0870 and 0871 but 056?
> Am I missing something?
>
AFAIK no-one wants them, they are just what you get if you sign up to BT
broadband voice.
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| Scope 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
| Thomas Kenyon wrote:
> DMac wrote:
> AFAIK no-one wants them, they are just what you get if you sign up to BT
> broadband voice.
I would not want a 056 number as most people dont know what they are,
and are scared to call them in fear of calling a £1 minute phone number.
Give it a few years and it will be ok, but for now 056 wont be used very
much.
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| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
| On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:49:13 GMT, "Chris Heaton" <chris@(REMOVE
ME)heatonweb.me.uk> wrote:
>I am not sure why everyone is talking about "056" numbers because with each
>of these services I could select a number in any city I wanted.
Voipcheap did not give me a choice it was an 056 numbers or nothing
,there was a discussion about this here a little while ago some people
where being offered geographical numbers while others like myself
where given 056 .
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| Brian A 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
| On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:10:05 GMT, M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:49:13 GMT, "Chris Heaton" <chris@(REMOVE
>ME)heatonweb.me.uk> wrote:
>Voipcheap did not give me a choice it was an 056 numbers or nothing
>,there was a discussion about this here a little while ago some people
>where being offered geographical numbers while others like myself
>where given 056 .
1. Am I not right in thinking that the telco gets more revenue out of
an 056 than they do out of a geo?
2. Voipfone give 056 numbers for free - you have to pay for a geo -
that is one reason why some people might use an 056 - Also, BT BBV use
them.
3. If the 056 number does become more widely used callers will know
that they are calling a voip and that it can terminate anywhere in the
world.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| {{{{{Welcome}}}}} 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
| Thus spaketh Chris Heaton:
> I have three internet lines, one with Skype, one with VOIP Cheap and
> the other with Vonage.
>
> I am not sure why everyone is talking about "056" numbers because
> with each of these services I could select a number in any city I
> wanted. All my numbers are normal 0121 (Birmingham UK) numbers but I
> could have just as easily selected numbers in London or Manchester
> etc. I could even select a number abroad if I wanted!
>
> To find out why not install VOIP Cheap, both the calls and landline
> numbers are Free!
>
> Chris
VoIP Cheap, and their sister companies don't have local area codes for ALL
areas, just major cities, if you don't live in a major city (or possibly a
large town) then you will get an 056 number from them.
--
For £5 when referred to easyMobile contact me via
www.southeastbirmingham.co.uk
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| Ivor Jones 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
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"DMac" <a77w@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sV9Tf.222784$YJ4.204597@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk
>
> No-one has given me a compelling reason why anyone would
> want one of these numbers.
> I can see why people might want 0800, 0845, 0870 and 0871
> but 056? Am I missing something?
It's not what you want, it's what "they" want you to have. The idea behind
056 numbers was to identify them as VoIP. The cynical amongst us might
think that was so they could set a separate (higher..!) charge rate for
them, but that couldn't be true, now could it..?!
The thing is, VoIP had already taken off before the introduction of 056
numbers - Sipgate started offering normal geographic numbers in September
2004, so the genie is out of the bottle.
In any case, until NTL and those like them enable access to 056 numbers
and it can be *guaranteed* that they will be treated *exactly* the same
for cost purposes as normal geographic numbers for *all* callers, from
*any* network, *anywhere*, then they will never take off. I certainly
wouldn't have one.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2006-03-19, 11:22 am |
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"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6hjq12ttsidmoa7bemtv86s6q48u42h863@
4ax.com
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:10:05 GMT,
> M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
> 1. Am I not right in thinking that the telco gets more
> revenue out of an 056 than they do out of a geo?
They shouldn't.
> 2. Voipfone give 056 numbers for free - you have to pay
> for a geo - that is one reason why some people might use
> an 056 - Also, BT BBV use them.
Sipgate give free geographic numbers.
> 3. If the 056 number does become more widely used callers
> will know that they are calling a voip and that it can
> terminate anywhere in the world.
If anything, business users in particular might want to make people think
they have a local presence in whatever city/country they want customers
in. A Londoner is far more likely to call a London number than one in
Singapore..!
Ivor
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| M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk 2006-03-21, 2:45 am |
| On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:21:16 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>VoIP Cheap, and their sister companies don't have local area codes for ALL
>areas, just major cities, if you don't live in a major city (or possibly a
>large town) then you will get an 056 number from them.
So it would pay to give a false address in Manchester or London then .
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| Can you help, What in your opinion would offer the best service for my
small business, BT just stuffed up my VOIP connection because of lack
of bandwidth, 1.1 instead of their 2mbps so i was thinking of Vonaage,
also BT want me to have 056 which i agree with your previous email.
Mike
{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> Thus spaketh Chris Heaton:
>
> VoIP Cheap, and their sister companies don't have local area codes for ALL
> areas, just major cities, if you don't live in a major city (or possibly a
> large town) then you will get an 056 number from them.
>
>
> --
> For =A35 when referred to easyMobile contact me via
> www.southeastbirmingham.co.uk
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| Thomas Sandford 2006-03-30, 11:56 pm |
| "mike" <mike.flint1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can you help, What in your opinion would offer the best service for my
> small business, BT just stuffed up my VOIP connection because of lack
> of bandwidth, 1.1 instead of their 2mbps so i was thinking of Vonaage,
> also BT want me to have 056 which i agree with your previous email.
> ...
For business use I'd go with Gradwell every time [there probably are other
business grade providers, but I haven't met/used them]
You pay a small "line rental", but it really is a case of getting what you
pay for in this business.
Personally I'm using a single incoming line with IAX termination
(£3+VAT/month) and outbound IAX (£20+VAT setup, no ongoing). Call charges
can be paid in arrears by DD which is generally better for a business user.
They also offer a "centrex service" - looks like a customisable portion of
an Asterisk server in a colo facility - for 7+vat/month which could offer
some very attractive features to a small business that can't afford the
technical overhead of running their own Asterisk server.
But I don't fully understand your Bandwidth comment. If your (I assume) ADSL
line has insufficient bandwidth, then no VOIP provider is going to give a
decent service, and you would need to switch your broadband provision. Or do
you mean that BT were somehow bandlimiting your VOIP service whilst leaving
other internet use unchanged???
--
Thomas Sandford
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| hairydog@despammed.com 2006-03-30, 11:56 pm |
| On 29 Mar 2006 00:22:31 -0800, "mike" <mike.flint1@gmail.com> wrote:
>Can you help, What in your opinion would offer the best service for my
>small business,
VOIP will always be less reliable than POTS - there is more to go
wrong. And to date there is no number migration, so if the VO~IP~ firm
folds, your numbers may go too. However, I expect that to change.
We use voip.co.uk for our business, but if you don't mind paying a bit
more for extra services and maybe more reliability, Gradwell is well
regarded.
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