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| Dave Angel 2007-12-14, 7:11 am |
| Please could you recommend an ATA for the following scenario:
- Accomodate a single DECT phone which needs to be able to use the
PSTN by default (important!)
- Pressing a specific key on the DECT phone and then dialing will
route via a SIP account
- No interest in incoming calls via VOIP. This is purely a solution
to gain cheaper outgoing calls
- Fallover, so if the ATA is switched off, the DECT phone can still
make calls over the PSTN.
I see many different ATA's but they all seem to route via VOIP by
default with a seperate key to route via PSTN.
Thanks in advance.
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| Mike Sun 2007-12-14, 7:11 am |
| With a suitable dial plan, it is easy to setup using an ATA such as a
Linksys SPA 3102
Cheers from Mike
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| Paul Hayes 2007-12-14, 1:11 pm |
| Dave Angel wrote:
> Please could you recommend an ATA for the following scenario:
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> - Accomodate a single DECT phone which needs to be able to use the
> PSTN by default (important!)
> - Pressing a specific key on the DECT phone and then dialing will
> route via a SIP account
> - No interest in incoming calls via VOIP. This is purely a solution
> to gain cheaper outgoing calls
> - Fallover, so if the ATA is switched off, the DECT phone can still
> make calls over the PSTN.
>
> I see many different ATA's but they all seem to route via VOIP by
> default with a seperate key to route via PSTN.
>
> Thanks in advance.
Linksys SPA-3102 will do all that no problem.
cheers,
Paul.
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| Dave Angel wrote:
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> I see many different ATA's but they all seem to route via VOIP by
> default with a seperate key to route via PSTN.
You could get the ATA and DECT phone all in one by buying a Siemens C460IP.
http://www.provu.co.uk/siemens_c460IP.html
There is a setting in the web interface to choose whether calls go VoIP
or PSTN by default.
Tim
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| Tony Arcucci 2007-12-14, 1:11 pm |
| All Grandstream ATAs works fine after a firmware upgrade.
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> Please could you recommend an ATA for the following scenario:
>
> - Accomodate a single DECT phone which needs to be able to use the
> PSTN by default (important!)
> - Pressing a specific key on the DECT phone and then dialing will
> route via a SIP account
> - No interest in incoming calls via VOIP. This is purely a solution
> to gain cheaper outgoing calls
> - Fallover, so if the ATA is switched off, the DECT phone can still
> make calls over the PSTN.
> I see many different ATA's but they all seem to route via VOIP by
> default with a seperate key to route via PSTN.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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| Chris Davies 2007-12-14, 1:11 pm |
| Dave Angel <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote:
> - No interest in incoming calls via VOIP. This is purely a solution
> to gain cheaper outgoing calls
Unless you're calling other SIP endpoints, i.e. your calls are entirely
VoIP, then I'd be really interested to know what VoIP provider you're
using that's cheaper than a landline, please?
Cheers,
Chris
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"Mike Sun" <sun12000@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> With a suitable dial plan, it is easy to setup using an ATA such as a
> Linksys SPA 3102
>
> Cheers from Mike
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Look carefully. Linksys bought Sipura who actually made the SPA3102.
Linksys are now owned by Cisco.
If you look under the roiginal brands you may well find some bargains.
Whatever brand they are physically identical.
--
Woody
harrogate three at ntlworld dot com
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| Dave Angel 2007-12-14, 7:11 pm |
| On 14 Dec, 17:19, Tony Arcucci <arcu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> All Grandstream ATAs works fine after a firmware upgrade.
>
Thanks Tony. I was interested initially in a Granstream 486 unit
which looked like it would do the job. For =A315 all in (from ebay)
compared to =A350+delivery for the Linksys, it seemed like a bargain. I
currently use a Grandstream Budgetone phone (for the last two years)
and find it almost faultless.
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| Dave Angel 2007-12-14, 7:11 pm |
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> Unless you're calling other SIP endpoints, i.e. your calls are entirely
> VoIP, then I'd be really interested to know what VoIP provider you're
> using that's cheaper than a landline, please?
>
Hi Chris. Most of my calls are national calls during the day.
Voipfone charge 1p per minute for this with no minimum charge anywhere
in the UK at any time, pay as you go. BT charge 5p immediately even
if you speak to someone for 30 seconds (which I often do). All this
adds up.
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| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-12-14, 7:11 pm |
| On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:48:22 -0800 (PST), Dave Angel
<google@logicred.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi Chris. Most of my calls are national calls during the day.
>Voipfone charge 1p per minute for this with no minimum charge anywhere
>in the UK at any time, pay as you go.
Voipcheap.com charge round about 8 euro for 4 months of free calls to
many places in the world , Voipcheap must be the cheapest around at
the moment when your free calls run out you can either pay another 8
euro to renew your calls or use your original 8 euro on calls then add
credit .
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| Mike Sun 2007-12-14, 7:11 pm |
| "Dave Angel" <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 14 Dec, 17:19, Tony Arcucci <arcu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> All Grandstream ATAs works fine after a firmware upgrade.
>
Thanks Tony. I was interested initially in a Granstream 486 unit
which looked like it would do the job. For £15 all in (from ebay)
compared to £50+delivery for the Linksys, it seemed like a bargain. I
currently use a Grandstream Budgetone phone (for the last two years)
and find it almost faultless.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought the Grandstream 486 did not
support dial plans? So it may not be possible to configure for PSTN by
default which was important to you?
Cheers from Mike
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| On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:30:40 +0000, Tim <nutnews@kooky.org> wrote:
>Dave Angel wrote:
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>You could get the ATA and DECT phone all in one by buying a Siemens C460IP.
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>http://www.provu.co.uk/siemens_c460IP.html
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>There is a setting in the web interface to choose whether calls go VoIP
>or PSTN by default.
Seconding this suggestion, I've got one of these beasties and it works
well. If you set the default to PSTN calls you can suffix the number with
* to route via VOIP.
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| On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:24:29 +0000, Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> wrote:
>Dave Angel <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote:
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>Unless you're calling other SIP endpoints, i.e. your calls are entirely
>VoIP, then I'd be really interested to know what VoIP provider you're
>using that's cheaper than a landline, please?
Voipcheap.com, is one such example. For EUR10 of credit (which gets EUR2
of VAT at German 20% rate plus 0.50 payment fee - which works out in total
close to GBP10.00 in all) you get 90 days free calls to 01/02 numbers plus
many international landlines, including USA, Canada, Australia, most of
Western Europe. UK mobiles are EUR0.08/min - including Three. Billing is
per minute, with no connection charge. Once you've used the 90 days' free
calls (or exceed 300 mins free calls in a 7 day period) the free
destinations are EUR0.01/minute. Your EUR10(+2.50) top-up is used for
these calls, and isn't depleted as a service charge for the free calls.
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| On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:48:22 -0800 (PST), Dave Angel <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote:
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>Hi Chris. Most of my calls are national calls during the day.
>Voipfone charge 1p per minute for this with no minimum charge anywhere
>in the UK at any time, pay as you go. BT charge 5p immediately even
>if you speak to someone for 30 seconds (which I often do). All this
>adds up.
It's worse than that in the daytime. 6p connection charge, and 3p for the
first minute makes it quite pricey at 9p.
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| Tony Arcucci wrote:
> All Grandstream ATAs works fine after a firmware upgrade.
Mine doesn't work at all. It stopped working several months ago. I'd not
recommend them.
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| {{{{{Welcome}}}}} 2007-12-14, 7:11 pm |
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"Soruk" <soruk@bitbucket.eridani.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:48:22 -0800 (PST), Dave Angel
> <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote:
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> It's worse than that in the daytime. 6p connection charge, and 3p for the
> first minute makes it quite pricey at 9p.
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Though if you have a BT landline you should be use Call 18185, UK landline
calls for 5p per call.
If you have a BT landline then there's little saving with VoIP unless you
can make VoIP - VoIP calls.
If you have cable broadband, you can dump the 'old' landline and just use
VoIP - then you can save some decent money.
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"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Soruk" <soruk@bitbucket.eridani.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Though if you have a BT landline you should be use Call 18185, UK
> landline calls for 5p per call.
>
> If you have a BT landline then there's little saving with VoIP unless
> you can make VoIP - VoIP calls.
>
> If you have cable broadband, you can dump the 'old' landline and just
> use VoIP - then you can save some decent money.
>
>
I would entirely agree with that. We started using 18185 a couple of
months back and it has been an absolute godsend. We have a relative in
hospital elsewhere in the UK and to be able to call at any time for 5p
unlimited duration is brilliant. Our normal call charges from previous
sources was about £18/month: with 18185 and still using BT occassionally
for evening calls to keep them happy (CLI and all that) our call charges
have much better than halved.
I also have a voip phone with voip.co.uk (despite all its ongoing
problems) running on my cable-feed internet. It is useful but sometimes
suffers quite bad delayed echo (notably from mobiles) which can make
communication a tad difficult. Nonetheless it is useful as a second line
if the BT line is engaged.
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harrogate three at ntlworld dot com
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| Dave Angel 2007-12-15, 7:11 am |
| On 15 Dec, 08:51, "Woody" <wo...@spamblock.com> wrote:
> I would entirely agree with that. We started using 18185 a couple of
> months back and it has been an absolute godsend. We have a relative in
> hospital elsewhere in the UK and to be able to call at any time for 5p
> unlimited duration is brilliant. Our normal call charges from previous
> sources was about =A318/month: with 18185 and still using BT occassionally=
> for evening calls to keep them happy (CLI and all that) our call charges
> have much better than halved.
>
Thanks for this. I was not aware of the 18185 service to be honest.
This sounds like a perfect solution and would save buying an ATA too.
Perfect for outgoing calls only to get the BT bill down.
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| Ivor Jones 2007-12-15, 7:11 am |
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"Dave Angel" <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote in message
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: On 15 Dec, 08:51, "Woody" <wo...@spamblock.com> wrote:
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: : I would entirely agree with that. We started using
: : 18185 a couple of months back and it has been an
: : absolute godsend. We have a relative in hospital
: : elsewhere in the UK and to be able to call at any time
: : for 5p unlimited duration is brilliant. Our normal call
: : charges from previous sources was about £18/month: with
: : 18185 and still using BT occassionally for evening
: : calls to keep them happy (CLI and all that) our call
: : charges have much better than halved.
: :
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: Thanks for this. I was not aware of the 18185 service to
: be honest. This sounds like a perfect solution and would
: save buying an ATA too. Perfect for outgoing calls only
: to get the BT bill down.
The advantage to me of VoIP is multiple numbers for little or no extra
charge. You can then have personal numbers for everyone in the household
if you like (perfect if you have teenagers..!) without tying up your main
BT number.
Ivor
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| On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:26:45 +0000, Iain wrote:
> Tony Arcucci wrote:
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> Mine doesn't work at all. It stopped working several months ago. I'd not
> recommend them.
I would. Mine's working fine after 2.5 years.
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| {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> Though if you have a BT landline you should be use Call 18185, UK
> landline calls for 5p per call.
True, but they keep raising their prices.
> If you have a BT landline then there's little saving with VoIP unless
> you can make VoIP - VoIP calls.
Oh, there certainly is. With someone like voipstunt you get free calls.
> If you have cable broadband, you can dump the 'old' landline and just
> use VoIP - then you can save some decent money.
That's true.
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| TheFug 2007-12-16, 7:11 am |
| Woody schreef:
> "Mike Sun" <sun12000@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:ODu8j.62782$c_1.20096@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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> Look carefully. Linksys bought Sipura who actually made the SPA3102.
> Linksys are now owned by Cisco.
>
> If you look under the roiginal brands you may well find some bargains.
> Whatever brand they are physically identical.
>
>
The Sipura/Linksys spa3102, is a good, cheap, solution, has all asked
options, and other functions of this one you don't even have to use/set,
you can also use a service like MySIPSwitch, and you have almost
unlimited options, than only the one line dialplan you have in the
SPA3102, you can set your dialplan so, that only that provider is used
what you pre-set, so you don't have to instruct your fellow phone users,
and everyone is using cheap rates, without knowing it, you can set
FreeWorldDialup to dial all the world's toll free numbers, dial
emergency #'s can be routed to your landline by the SPA3102
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| Chris Davies 2007-12-16, 7:11 pm |
| I asked:
> Unless you're calling other SIP endpoints, i.e. your calls are entirely
> VoIP, then I'd be really interested to know what VoIP provider you're
> using that's cheaper than a landline, please?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:48:22 -0800 (PST), Dave Angel <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi Chris. Most of my calls are national calls during the day.
>Voipfone charge 1p per minute for this with no minimum charge anywhere
>in the UK at any time, pay as you go. BT charge 5p immediately even
>if you speak to someone for 30 seconds (which I often do). All this
>adds up.
Soruk <soruk@bitbucket.eridani.co.uk> wrote:
> It's worse than that in the daytime. 6p connection charge, and 3p for the
> first minute makes it quite pricey at 9p.
That's way more than I pay for my landline calls. (Finarea: flat rate
6p/call UK-wide, not a lot per minute for mobiles, common international
destinations not more than 1p/min.)
Chris
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| On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:21:20 +0000, Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> wrote:
>I asked:
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>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:48:22 -0800 (PST), Dave Angel <google@logicred.co.uk> wrote:
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>Soruk <soruk@bitbucket.eridani.co.uk> wrote:
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>That's way more than I pay for my landline calls. (Finarea: flat rate
>6p/call UK-wide, not a lot per minute for mobiles, common international
>destinations not more than 1p/min.)
Dave Angel was talking about BT rates in his post - I was merely pointing
out they were even worse than what he'd said.
I've before now tried to sign up with the Finarea 18xxx services and each
time the registration failed, so I gave up. VoipCheap, however, works
like a charm and unlike the 18xxx there's no connection charge.
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