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Advise on which ATA device to buy?
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| I want to try Voip without having the PC switched on to make a call so it's
more family friendly to use.
As there are many Analogue Phone Adapters on the market and I understand
some are much poorer quality than others I feel it would be wise to seek
advice on this before I buy one.
I have been looking at the specs of the Pluscom SIP VOIP VPA-11 and Netgear
Sipgate TA612V, so any advice would be very helpful at this point.
I will be using this with a cable modem (up to 2Mb download) & Netgear
WRG614 router.
Also thinking about using the Sipgate service to start with, any advice on
Voip providers will also be helpful as well. Main use will be internal UK
calls.
Thanks in advance,
Jonathan
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| {{{{{Welcome}}}}} 2007-03-17, 7:11 pm |
| John wrote:
> I want to try Voip without having the PC switched on to make a call
> so it's more family friendly to use.
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> As there are many Analogue Phone Adapters on the market and I
> understand some are much poorer quality than others I feel it would
> be wise to seek advice on this before I buy one.
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Linksys / Sipura ATAs are the ones to go for.
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| Ivor Jones 2007-03-17, 7:11 pm |
| "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
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> John wrote:
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> Linksys / Sipura ATAs are the ones to go for.
I'd agree, however be aware that there are many, many configurable
parameters on them which if you mess up can be a pain to sort out..! I've
been using them for over 2 years and I still have problems sometimes..!
Do you want just an ATA to plug into an existing router, or do you want an
all-in-one device..? If the latter, I can recommend the AVM Fritz!Box
range, see www.avm.de/en for info. They are also available from Sipgate's
website, should you decide to use them.
Ivor
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| Brian A 2007-03-17, 7:11 pm |
| On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:49:31 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
>wrote in message
>news:bTYKh.7422$DX5.2933@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk
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>I'd agree, however be aware that there are many, many configurable
>parameters on them which if you mess up can be a pain to sort out..! I've
>been using them for over 2 years and I still have problems sometimes..!
>
>Do you want just an ATA to plug into an existing router, or do you want an
>all-in-one device..? If the latter, I can recommend the AVM Fritz!Box
>range, see www.avm.de/en for info. They are also available from Sipgate's
>website, should you decide to use them.
>
>Ivor
And there you have it... Linksys/Sipura or Fritzbox.
Some ATAs integrate your landline with voip - if you have a landline
it makes sense to do that. Check out Fritzbox or SPA-3102 by Linksys.
Check out:
broadbandbuyer.co.uk
broadbandstuff.co.uk
or Froogle
The range of Fritzboxes can be a bit confusing .
Look specifically for 7140 or 7050 models that MUST be ANNEX A.
If the model isn't quoted it most likely will not be one of these.
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| J Clavox 2007-03-17, 7:11 pm |
| On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:49:31 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>They are also available from Sipgate's
>website, should you decide to use them.
Personality I would not touch anything from Sipgate they must be the
most untrustworthy company that trades in the UK .
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| Steve Barlow 2007-03-18, 1:11 am |
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"J Clavox" <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:49:31 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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> Personality I would not touch anything from Sipgate they must be the
> most untrustworthy company that trades in the UK .
Can you qualify that sweeping statement - that many of us would disagree
with?
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| On 2007-03-17, John <jmgood40@hotmail.com> wrote:
> As there are many Analogue Phone Adapters on the market and I understand
> some are much poorer quality than others I feel it would be wise to seek
> advice on this before I buy one.
>
> I have been looking at the specs of the Pluscom SIP VOIP VPA-11 and Netgear
> Sipgate TA612V, so any advice would be very helpful at this point.
Besides being able to make VoIP calls the VPA-11 also connects to the
PSTN so a single handset is all that is needed. Audio quality is good
and registration with a provider is solid. There is room for 10 entries
in an address book.
It has a dialplan facility which is rather rudimentary compared with
other ATAs and it does not pass caller-ID for incoming PSTN calls. If
neither of these deficiencies bother you, the VPA-11, at about 25 GBP,
is a decent, low cost device.
Brian.
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| Herman the German 2007-03-18, 7:11 am |
| On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:30:42 +0000, J Clavox <clavox@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>Personality I would not touch anything from Sipgate they must be the
>most untrustworthy company that trades in the UK .
Oh do piss off you boring fart.
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| Brian A 2007-03-18, 7:11 am |
| On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:40:09 +0000 (UTC), Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk>
wrote:
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>On 2007-03-17, John <jmgood40@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Personally I would STRONGLY advise AGAINST locking yourself into any
provider. That is exactly what you will be doing if you get, for
example, a SIPGATE locked device. The prices will often be good in
these cases because they know they are locking you into their system.
If you want to get the best prices, quality, reliabilty and choice
DON'T lock yourself in. We can all buy an inefficient fridge and then
pay much more in the long run in increased electricity bills - the
same goes for voip - lock yourself in and you will have no choice in
what you pay and no second, back up, provider lest your primary
provider should fail.
My Advice: Whenever you see an ATA on sale make sure it is not locked
or has previously been locked into any network. Put some money into a
good ATA and you won't regret it. Capital costs don't matter in the
long run it's running costs that count.
voip.co.uk are good for UK calls.
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| Malcolm Loades 2007-03-18, 7:11 am |
| In message <3q5qv2t41l54becklo90fhdou0dma8qgqp@4ax.com>, Brian A
<no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> writes
>My Advice: Whenever you see an ATA on sale make sure it is not locked
>or has previously been locked into any network.
What is wrong with a "previously been locked into any network" ATA? My
Cisco ATA 186 was previously locked to BT but I flashed it for SIP and
it's worked with Gradwell, Sipgate etc. and is currently connected to
voip.co.uk
Malcolm
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| J Clavox 2007-03-18, 1:11 pm |
| On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:03:10 -0000, "Steve Barlow"
<steveybar@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>"J Clavox" <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1euov2dqj1s5mqc3f90mka8hd7lnbr8udq@
4ax.com...
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>Can you qualify that sweeping statement - that many of us would disagree
>with?
You probably would due to being brainwashed by Ivor Jones .
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| J Clavox 2007-03-18, 1:11 pm |
| On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:50:42 GMT, Brian A
<no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>voip.co.uk are good for UK calls.
They are and using 01635 578562 are the best for international cvalls
also.
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| Brian A 2007-03-18, 1:11 pm |
| On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:38:00 +0000, Malcolm Loades
<devnull@spam-trap.org.uk> wrote:
>In message <3q5qv2t41l54becklo90fhdou0dma8qgqp@4ax.com>, Brian A
><no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> writes
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>What is wrong with a "previously been locked into any network" ATA? My
>Cisco ATA 186 was previously locked to BT but I flashed it for SIP and
>it's worked with Gradwell, Sipgate etc. and is currently connected to
>voip.co.uk
>
I was trying to generalise instead of going into detail. There are
many PAP2s on ebay that have previously been on Voange. Do a factory
reset and.... you know the rest.
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| Brian A 2007-03-18, 1:11 pm |
| On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:22:19 +0000, J Clavox <clavox@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:50:42 GMT, Brian A
><no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>They are and using 01635 578562 are the best for international cvalls
>also.
I do know that number but
when I dial it on O2 I get an unobtainable tone and, on Orange, after
a 'foreign' ring tone, I get a message in French.
Looks like O2 and O don't like the competition. What these companies
don't seem to realise is that they aren't losing a penny as very few
people would use them for international calls anyway. It is better to
keep customers happy.
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-03-18, 1:11 pm |
| On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:10:46 GMT, Brian A
<no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:22:19 +0000, J Clavox <clavox@btinternet.com>
>wrote:
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>I do know that number but
>when I dial it on O2 I get an unobtainable tone and, on Orange, after
>a 'foreign' ring tone, I get a message in French.
>Looks like O2 and O don't like the competition. What these companies
>don't seem to realise is that they aren't losing a penny as very few
>people would use them for international calls anyway. It is better to
>keep customers happy.
I think you could be wrong Brian I never think about mobiles not using
one very much never thought to give the mobile numbers for the
service which are ......................................
> The second number is intended for people who wish to make calls from mobile
>phones where it is cheap or free to call 01/02 geographic numbers. The
>access number for this service is 01635 578107
>Both access numbers can be used 24/7. You will be able to call the same
>destinations as with our O2 mobile access number 0773 066 6890. Anyone with
>cross-network inclusive minutes on a mobile contract should use the O2
>number instead of the geographic number, as we expect the geographic number
>to be in huge demand! There is also another O2 access number to add extra
>capacity on 0779 339 5236.
Hope this helps .
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| harrogate3 2007-03-18, 1:11 pm |
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"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:38:00 +0000, Malcolm Loades
> <devnull@spam-trap.org.uk> wrote:
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> I was trying to generalise instead of going into detail. There are
> many PAP2s on ebay that have previously been on Voange. Do a factory
> reset and.... you know the rest.
>
I had been thinking of that route - what is the procedure for a
factory reset on a Vonage PAP2? I would want to use it with voip.co.uk
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| Ivor Jones 2007-03-18, 7:11 pm |
| "harrogate3" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ccjqv2pp5rtf2kn06441dtvgoiaivncns2@
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> I had been thinking of that route - what is the procedure
> for a factory reset on a Vonage PAP2? I would want to use
> it with voip.co.uk
You misunderstand. Factory-reset an unlocked PAP2 and it relocks itself.
Ivor
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| Duncan MacCallum 2007-03-18, 7:11 pm |
| Malcolm Loades wrote:
> In message <3q5qv2t41l54becklo90fhdou0dma8qgqp@4ax.com>, Brian A
> <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> writes
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> What is wrong with a "previously been locked into any network" ATA? My
> cisco ATA 186 was previously locked to BT but I flashed it for SIP and
> it's worked with Gradwell, Sipgate etc. and is currently connected to
> voip.co.uk
>
> Malcolm
I've couple of ex BT ATA locked and locked Freetalk ATA Is it a major
task to unlock ATA's?
Have tried google for info but found nothing
Cheers
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| dmitri 2007-03-18, 7:11 pm |
| Brian, do you know ATAs which pass caller-ID for incoming PSTN calls?
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:40:09 +0000, Brian wrote:
> It has a dialplan facility which is rather rudimentary compared with
> other ATAs and it does not pass caller-ID for incoming PSTN calls. If
> neither of these deficiencies bother you, the VPA-11, at about 25 GBP,
> is a decent, low cost device.
>
> Brian.
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| Guys here is a small description of the Flexor 151 (amazing been using
it for 6 months perfect and easy to use check out the hop on hop off
feature!):
http://www.connexin.co.uk then shop.
Add an Internet Phone line instantly and start saving on your calls!
A truly user friendly and reliable product
Free additional landline.
Unified VoIP and PSTN (landline)
Quality of Service that really works.
Emergency calls always possible
Remote configuration and upgrades
PC Integration
Outlook Address Book Integration
Do-not-disturb feature
Visual Indication of voicemail
Hop-on/off service (see below)
Flexor sets new standards for VoIP access devices for the home and
small business markets. This state-of-the-art VoIP access device
allows traditional phones to be connected to the latest Internet VoIP
services, without the need for a PC. It includes the features found on
current VoIP devices, and adds unique innovative features combined
with a desirable and elegant product design.
Hop-on/off
The Flexor comes with a service known as Hop-on/off. This allows you
to dial into your landline number (that the flexor is attached to),
enter your pin and then dial out over VoIP!
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| On 2007-03-18, dmitri <me@my.biz> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:40:09 +0000, Brian wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Brian, do you know ATAs which pass caller-ID for incoming PSTN calls?
I know the SPA 2000 does, but that's about it. If you are concerned
whether a particular ATA does do UK CLID it is probably best to ask
about it or do a search on that device.
Brian.
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| Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk 2007-03-19, 7:11 am |
| fa103 wrote:
> Guys here is a small description of the Flexor 151 (amazing been using
> it for 6 months perfect and easy to use check out the hop on hop off
> feature!):
I have just read the user manual
http://www.voiptalk.org/products/pd...User_Manual.pdf
it it does appear to be quite a handy bit of kit
How many SIP accounts can be set up and registered?
I may get one for my parents.
:¬)
Pete
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| Brian A 2007-03-19, 7:11 am |
| On 18 Mar 2007 19:39:43 -0700, "fa103" <f.alamgir@connexin.co.uk>
wrote:
>Guys here is a small description of the Flexor 151 (amazing been using
>it for 6 months perfect and easy to use check out the hop on hop off
>feature!):
>
>http://www.connexin.co.uk then shop.
>
The package prices on the home page are very expensive.
You'd do better with many PSTN landline services let alone voip.
More expensive than Vonage and more expensive than BT.
For £20 you get 'International Anytime' - Talk Talk offer that
including landline rental and up to 8MB broadband for £21.
I can't see good value in any of these packages at all.
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| dmitri 2007-03-19, 1:11 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:37:58 +0000, Brian wrote:
> On 2007-03-18, dmitri <me@my.biz> wrote:
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> I know the SPA 2000 does, but that's about it. If you are concerned
> whether a particular ATA does do UK CLID it is probably best to ask
> about it or do a search on that device.
>
> Brian.
Hm... SPA 2000 seems NOT to support PSTN through
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| Duncan MacCallum wrote:
> I've couple of ex BT ATA locked and locked Freetalk ATA Is it a major
> task to unlock ATA's?
I've got a Fujitsu FDX-840 [a re-branded D-Link that BT used to sell] that I
flashed with the relevant D-Link firmware, and it works great. 99p from
eBay [listed as "Locked to BT"] was a bargain for two analogue ports.
> Have tried google for info but found nothing
That sounds unlikely.
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| Duncan MacCallum 2007-03-19, 7:11 pm |
| alexd wrote:
> Duncan MacCallum wrote:
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> I've got a Fujitsu FDX-840 [a re-branded D-Link that BT used to sell] that I
> flashed with the relevant D-Link firmware, and it works great. 99p from
> eBay [listed as "Locked to BT"] was a bargain for two analogue ports.
OK so i have to find relevant D link software for my locked Fujitsu
>
>
> That sounds unlikely.
Google seems to work best when you know what your looking for 
Cheers
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| On Mar 19, 10:33 am, Brian A <no_spam_bca1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2007 19:39:43 -0700, "fa103" <f.alam...@connexin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
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> The package prices on the home page are very expensive.
> You'd do better with many PSTN landline services let alone voip.
> More expensive than Vonage and more expensive than BT.
> For =A320 you get 'International Anytime' - Talk Talk offer that
> including landline rental and up to 8MB broadband for =A321.
> I can't see good value in any of these packages at all.
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Hey Brian,
Hope you are well. I know Connexin are only running Pay as you go VoIP
services for now. Also They have a Offer on but for over the phone
sales only at the moment.
The Offer is:
Flexor 151 - =A339.99 Including VAT with the equivalent of 200 Free UK
minutes
If You are interested in this send me a reply and i'll get you the
right contact number.
Regards,
F
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| Duncan MacCallum wrote:
> alexd wrote:
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> OK so i have to find relevant D link software for my locked Fujitsu
Just logged on to mine and it says "D-Link DVG-1120S".
>
> Google seems to work best when you know what your looking for
Hit #4 is this:
www.voipuser.org/forum_topic_5497.html
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| On Mar 17, 11:00 pm, "John" <jmgoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I want to try Voip without having the PC switched on to make a call so it's
> more family friendly to use.
>
> As there are many Analogue Phone Adapters on the market and I understand
> some are much poorer quality than others I feel it would be wise to seek
> advice on this before I buy one.
>
> I have been looking at the specs of the Pluscom SIP VOIP VPA-11 and Netgear
> Sipgate TA612V, so any advice would be very helpful at this point.
>
> I will be using this with a cable modem (up to 2Mb download) & Netgear
> WRG614 router.
>
> Also thinking about using the Sipgate service to start with, any advice on
> Voip providers will also be helpful as well. Main use will be internal UK
> calls.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jonathan
Hi,
I suggest using ZyXEL P2002 or P2002L ATAs, they are very stable and
easy to configure with clear sound quality.
www.networkingland.com/voip_vendors.htm
Or if you can spend more, go Wi-Fi VoIP phones and look for P2000W
from ZyXEL also, they have crystal clear sound.
Panda,
www.networkingland.com
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| On Mar 17, 11:00 pm, "John" <jmgoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I want to try Voip without having the PC switched on to make a call so it's
> more family friendly to use.
>
> As there are many Analogue Phone Adapters on the market and I understand
> some are much poorer quality than others I feel it would be wise to seek
> advice on this before I buy one.
>
> I have been looking at the specs of the Pluscom SIP VOIP VPA-11 and Netgear
> Sipgate TA612V, so any advice would be very helpful at this point.
>
> I will be using this with a cable modem (up to 2Mb download) & Netgear
> WRG614 router.
>
> Also thinking about using the Sipgate service to start with, any advice on
> Voip providers will also be helpful as well. Main use will be internal UK
> calls.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jonathan
Hi,
I suggest using ZyXEL P2002 or P2002L ATAs, they are very stable and
easy to configure with clear sound.
www.networkingland.com/voip_vendors.htm
Or if you can spend more, go Wi-Fi VoIP phones and look for P2000W
from ZyXEL also, they have crystal clear sound
Panda,
www.networkingland.com
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