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Linker3000

2007-03-29, 7:11 pm

As per the title - has anyone managed to pass an allowed caller ID
string from a Trixbox extension out via voip.co.uk?

I am playing with a test Trixbox system hosting two phones and we want
each phone to present a different caller ID to the called party, but the
current voip.co.uk software seems to ignore this. Even withholding
caller ID would be OK but this does not happen even if you set it so
within your SIP accounts at voip.co.uk.

Anyone had more success than me?

Thanks.
Jono

2007-03-30, 7:11 pm

Linker3000 expressed precisely :
> As per the title - has anyone managed to pass an allowed caller ID string
> from a Trixbox extension out via voip.co.uk?
>
> I am playing with a test Trixbox system hosting two phones and we want each
> phone to present a different caller ID to the called party, but the current
> voip.co.uk software seems to ignore this. Even withholding caller ID would be
> OK but this does not happen even if you set it so within your SIP accounts at
> voip.co.uk.
>
> Anyone had more success than me?
>
> Thanks.


Not tried with voip.co.uk, however, thanks to Philippe (for bringing to
my attention), I can now present ANY* of my numbers with Asterisk &
voipcheap.com

*0044870, 0049, 00441, 004479 are four I've set up so far.


Herman

2007-03-30, 7:11 pm

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.f4cb7d73b65db0da.48968@blueyonder.invalid...
> Linker3000 expressed precisely :
>
> Not tried with voip.co.uk, however, thanks to Philippe (for bringing to my
> attention), I can now present ANY* of my numbers with Asterisk &
> voipcheap.com
>
> *0044870, 0049, 00441, 004479 are four I've set up so far.


You have 00441 working over voipcheap? Please tell us more - I must have
missed that post.


Jono

2007-03-30, 7:11 pm

Herman wrote on 30/03/2007 :
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.f4cb7d73b65db0da.48968@blueyonder.invalid...
>
> You have 00441 working over voipcheap? Please tell us more - I must have
> missed that post.


Download the newest release of the voipcheap.com softfone.

Add your landline numbers, then run the verification process - your
landline will get a call which asks you to enter a 4 digit number that
is displayed on screen.

It doesn't seem to discriminate between numbers. I've set a couple of
UK numbers up, a German one & a UK 0870 number. I haven't tested what
the German one looks like as a presentaion number - I suspect it won't
be formatted correctly, at least for recipients of calls in the UK.


Matt

2007-03-31, 7:11 am

On Mar 31, 12:08 am, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
> Herman wrote on 30/03/2007 :
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> Download the newest release of the voipcheap.com softfone.
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> Add your landline numbers, then run the verification process - your
> landline will get a call which asks you to enter a 4 digit number that
> is displayed on screen.
>
> It doesn't seem to discriminate between numbers. I've set a couple of
> UK numbers up, a German one & a UK 0870 number. I haven't tested what
> the German one looks like as a presentaion number - I suspect it won't
> be formatted correctly, at least for recipients of calls in the UK.- Hide quoted text -
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Cheers for the tip-off!

If I try to register an 08704xxxxx number I get an error from the
voipcheap software?

Has anyone else had this?

Thanks

Matthew

Jono

2007-03-31, 7:11 am

>> It doesn't seem to discriminate between numbers. I've set a couple of
>
> Cheers for the tip-off!
>
> If I try to register an 08704xxxxx number I get an error from the
> voipcheap software?
>
> Has anyone else had this?


Have you downloaded the latest version of the softfone?

Make sure you're using the softfone & not the web interface.

Save your number(s) in the Personal Details section & then go to CLI section
to verify.

FWIW, my 0870 number is 08700


Matt

2007-03-31, 7:11 am

On Mar 31, 12:14 pm, "Jono" <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
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> Have you downloaded the latest version of the softfone?
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> Make sure you're using the softfone & not the web interface.
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> Save your number(s) in the Personal Details section & then go to CLI section
> to verify.
>
> FWIW, my 0870 number is 08700



It lets me verify my other numbers, but not the 08704 number. Very
strange...

Now getting Trixbox to use that details seems to be another challenge!

Do you set the outgoing id in the extension or the trunk? Or both?
Which format are you using? 00441827, 441827 or 01827?

Sorry for all the questions,

Many thanks

Matthew

Philippe Deleye

2007-03-31, 7:11 am


"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
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> Download the newest release of the voipcheap.com softfone.
>
> Add your landline numbers, then run the verification process - your
> landline will get a call which asks you to enter a 4 digit number that
> is displayed on screen.
>
> It doesn't seem to discriminate between numbers. I've set a couple of
> UK numbers up, a German one & a UK 0870 number. I haven't tested what
> the German one looks like as a presentaion number - I suspect it won't
> be formatted correctly, at least for recipients of calls in the UK.
>

A few more tips to get this correctly done:
* register your landlines as descrobed above, but make sure you use the
format 0044 xxxx, not in the format +44 xxx
The latter will work for verification, but not for CLI..
* set your SIP device or IP phone to use your phone number, and also use the
same format (0044 xxxx) here.
If you have dones this correctly, it will work perfectly, even for non-UK
numbers.

Philippe.


Jono

2007-03-31, 1:11 pm

It happens that Philippe Deleye formulated :

> A few more tips to get this correctly done:
> * register your landlines as descrobed above, but make sure you use the
> format 0044 xxxx, not in the format +44 xxx
> The latter will work for verification, but not for CLI..
> * set your SIP device or IP phone to use your phone number, and also use the
> same format (0044 xxxx) here.
> If you have dones this correctly, it will work perfectly, even for non-UK
> numbers.
>
> Philippe.


I will try my German number in a bit, however, even though I have set
everything up as 004401 or 0044870 (for the UK ones), the number that
is presented is not in the format 00441, nor +441 but 01. Therefore, I
suspect that the German one would be correct for dialling a German
number......


Jono

2007-03-31, 1:11 pm

on 31/03/2007, Matt supposed :

> It lets me verify my other numbers, but not the 08704 number. Very
> strange...
>
> Now getting Trixbox to use that details seems to be another challenge!
>
> Do you set the outgoing id in the extension or the trunk? Or both?
> Which format are you using? 00441827, 441827 or 01827?


Here's my voipcheap.com trunk. As you can see that the CLID is set in
my trunk, not in the extensions.

PEER Details:
allow=ulaw&alaw
authuser=username
disallow=all
dtmfmode=rfc2833
fromdomain=voipcheap.com
fromuser=00448700xxxxxx
host=sip.voipcheap.com
insecure=very
nat=yes
qualify=yes
secret=password
type=friend
username=username


Matt

2007-03-31, 1:11 pm

On Mar 31, 2:47 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
> on 31/03/2007, Matt supposed :
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> Here's my voipcheap.com trunk. As you can see that the CLID is set in
> my trunk, not in the extensions.
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> PEER Details:
> allow=ulaw&alaw
> authuser=username
> disallow=all
> dtmfmode=rfc2833
> fromdomain=voipcheap.com
> fromuser=00448700xxxxxx
> host=sip.voipcheap.com
> insecure=very
> nat=yes
> qualify=yes
> secret=password
> type=friend
> username=username


Cheers Jono,

Will try those settings later.

Ta!

Matt

Philippe Deleye

2007-03-31, 7:11 pm


"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.fb737d7388d6820a.48968@blueyonder.invalid...
> I will try my German number in a bit, however, even though I have set
> everything up as 004401 or 0044870 (for the UK ones), the number that
> is presented is not in the format 00441, nor +441 but 01. Therefore, I
> suspect that the German one would be correct for dialling a German
> number......


Yes, of course the CLI is presented as 01. This is because your provider in
the UK (e.g. BT) is correcting the 00441 into 01.
If you use a german number for outgong CLI, the number will be presented as
0049xxx except in Germany, where it will be presented as 0xxx



Matt

2007-03-31, 7:11 pm

On Mar 31, 4:08 pm, "Matt" <matthew.humphr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 2:47 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
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> Cheers Jono,
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> Will try those settings later.
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> Ta!
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That sorted it.

Just need to find a way of setting the clid on an extension be
extension basis....

Cheers Jono!

Jono

2007-03-31, 7:11 pm

Philippe Deleye wrote :
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.fb737d7388d6820a.48968@blueyonder.invalid...
>
> Yes, of course the CLI is presented as 01. This is because your provider in
> the UK (e.g. BT) is correcting the 00441 into 01.
> If you use a german number for outgong CLI, the number will be presented as
> 0049xxx except in Germany, where it will be presented as 0xxx


I am gonna have to try it now...


Jono

2007-03-31, 7:11 pm

Philippe Deleye expressed precisely :
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.fb737d7388d6820a.48968@blueyonder.invalid...
>
> Yes, of course the CLI is presented as 01. This is because your provider in
> the UK (e.g. BT) is correcting the 00441 into 01.
> If you use a german number for outgong CLI, the number will be presented as
> 0049xxx except in Germany, where it will be presented as 0xxx


Not sure I've seen you get anything wrong yet & it hasn't happened this
time either.


Mike Sun

2007-03-31, 7:11 pm

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
news:460e45f2$0$13864$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
> A few more tips to get this correctly done:
> * register your landlines as descrobed above, but make sure you use the
> format 0044 xxxx, not in the format +44 xxx
> The latter will work for verification, but not for CLI..
> * set your SIP device or IP phone to use your phone number, and also use
> the
> same format (0044 xxxx) here.
> If you have dones this correctly, it will work perfectly, even for non-UK
> numbers.


Hey - that is a fantastically helpful tip which I confirm works well with
my ATA (Gate 102) and voipcheap.com - many thanks - Cheers from Mike


Philippe Deleye

2007-03-31, 7:11 pm


"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.fca57d73c905e784.48968@blueyonder.invalid...
> Not sure I've seen you get anything wrong yet & it hasn't happened this
> time either.
>

Is this a compliment ?? Thanks a lot ;)
Happy to know that I could help
I must admit that my english is not that good (I'm flemish speaking belgian)
but I guess I could make myself understanable ...
I'm also following german voip groups, hence I'm just transmitting
(translating) thungs I learned over there ;)

rgds
Philippe


Jono

2007-03-31, 7:11 pm

on 31/03/2007, Philippe Deleye supposed :
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.fca57d73c905e784.48968@blueyonder.invalid...
> Is this a compliment ?? Thanks a lot ;)
> Happy to know that I could help
> I must admit that my english is not that good (I'm flemish speaking belgian)
> but I guess I could make myself understanable ...
> I'm also following german voip groups, hence I'm just transmitting
> (translating) thungs I learned over there ;)
>
> rgds
> Philippe


Obviously rushing when typing the above..?

For a moment, I wondered what a Flemish was that spoke Belgian :-).
English - what an odd language.

It was most definitely a compliment, yes.

Thanks for your input & make sure you come back here!


Matt

2007-04-05, 1:11 pm

On Mar 31, 7:41 pm, "Matt" <matthew.humphr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 4:08 pm, "Matt" <matthew.humphr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> That sorted it.
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> Just need to find a way of setting the clid on an extension be
> extension basis....
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> Cheers Jono!


In answer to my own question....

If you remove the fromuser definition in the trunk, and set the CLID
in the extension, is all seems to work and pass out the extenstion
CLID!

Hope this helps someone else.

Thanks

Matthew

Jono

2007-04-05, 1:11 pm

Matt was thinking very hard :

>
> In answer to my own question....
>
> If you remove the fromuser definition in the trunk, and set the CLID
> in the extension, is all seems to work and pass out the extenstion
> CLID!
>
> Hope this helps someone else.
>
> Thanks
>
> Matthew


Interesting.

Pity only 5 numbers can be added.....


Matt

2007-04-05, 1:11 pm

On Apr 5, 5:53 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
> Matt was thinking very hard :
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> Interesting.
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> Pity only 5 numbers can be added.....

(I've got home * 2, other office, mobile and the 0800 sales line. It
just won't have the 08704 number for the office though!)

It's a first that I've managed to provide useful asterisk info to
someone else!

Now I need to find a way of using a different Caller ID on calls made
to different numbers.

i.e. When in the office, dial 9 then the number and have the CLID of
the office line, if I dial a prefix of 8 then use the home number or 7
to send the mobile CLID so I can claim not to be in the office.

Sure someone will come up with a solution!

Jono

2007-04-05, 1:11 pm

Matt formulated on Thursday :
> On Apr 5, 5:53 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
> (I've got home * 2, other office, mobile and the 0800 sales line. It
> just won't have the 08704 number for the office though!)
>
> It's a first that I've managed to provide useful asterisk info to
> someone else!
>
> Now I need to find a way of using a different Caller ID on calls made
> to different numbers.
>
> i.e. When in the office, dial 9 then the number and have the CLID of
> the office line, if I dial a prefix of 8 then use the home number or 7
> to send the mobile CLID so I can claim not to be in the office.
>
> Sure someone will come up with a solution!


Three outbound routes.

1st 9|.
2nd 8|.
3rd 07.


Jono

2007-04-05, 1:11 pm

Jono wrote :

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> Three outbound routes.
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> 1st 9|.
> 2nd 8|.
> 3rd 07.


Although, you would also need to set up three (almost) identical trunks
& put the fromuser= bit back in.

That way, your route 9|. can go to the trunk masquerading as your
office line, route 07. can go to mobile trunk etc.


Matt

2007-04-05, 7:11 pm

On Apr 5, 7:09 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
> Jono wrote :
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> Although, you would also need to set up three (almost) identical trunks
> & put the fromuser= bit back in.
>
> That way, your route 9|. can go to the trunk masquerading as your
> office line, route 07. can go to mobile trunk etc.


Will voicecheap allow this, or will we fall into to voxalot trap?

Have to try it tomorrow...


Jono

2007-04-05, 7:11 pm

Matt expressed precisely :
> On Apr 5, 7:09 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
>
> Will voicecheap allow this, or will we fall into to voxalot trap?
>
> Have to try it tomorrow...


Good question. I might have a go too. Do they not allow more than one
device to be logged in?


Matt

2007-04-05, 7:11 pm

On Apr 5, 7:59 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
> Matt expressed precisely :
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> Good question. I might have a go too. Do they not allow more than one
> device to be logged in?


Not sure, but there is a large thread about voxalot trunks with
voipcheap not working due to multiple connections from a single ip.
But that would be many many trunks, not just a handful like we're
planning.

I wonder if voipcheap will cope with multiple simultaneous outbound
calls.....

(did you get my email?)

Jono

2007-04-05, 7:11 pm

Matt explained on 05/04/2007 :
> (did you get my email?)


Have now.......


Matt

2007-04-06, 7:11 am

On Apr 5, 8:25 pm, "Matt" <matthew.humphr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 7:59 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
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> Not sure, but there is a large thread about voxalot trunks with
> voipcheap not working due to multiple connections from a single ip.
> But that would be many many trunks, not just a handful like we're
> planning.
>
> I wonder if voipcheap will cope with multiple simultaneous outbound
> calls.....
>
> (did you get my email?)- Hide quoted text -
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Doesn't seem to work here.

Anyone else had any success?


Matthew

Jono

2007-04-06, 7:11 am

Matt wrote:


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> Anyone else had any success?
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I can certainly make multiple simultaneous calls using voipcheap.com.

I only have one trunk set up, however, I have a standalone ATA on a
different IP that uses voipcheap.com as a gateway. This also functions
correctly.
Matt

2007-04-06, 7:11 am

On Apr 6, 10:14 am, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
> Matt wrote:
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> I can certainly make multiple simultaneous calls using voipcheap.com.
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> I only have one trunk set up, however, I have a standalone ATA on a
> different IP that uses voipcheap.com as a gateway. This also functions
> correctly.


Sorry, wasn't very clear.

I can make simultaneous calls with different trunks, but the caller id
defaults to withheld.... in fact all the calls I make today via
voipcheap seem to be withheld....

Matt

2007-04-06, 7:11 am

On Apr 6, 10:49 am, "Matt" <matthew.humphr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 10:14 am, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
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> Sorry, wasn't very clear.
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> I can make simultaneous calls with different trunks, but the caller id
> defaults to withheld.... in fact all the calls I make today via
> voipcheap seem to be withheld....


Seems to be OK now...

Different trunks giving different IDs!

Very Handy!

Perhaps we should start a new topic for this, as we've hijacked a
thread on voip.co.uk!

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