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What do you want from a VOIP provider
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| Infant Newbie 2007-05-23, 1:11 am |
| We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals in
this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR FOREVER
HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
Any takers?
The Management.
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| Henry Hooray 2007-05-23, 7:11 am |
| "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals
> in this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR
> FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
>
> Any takers?
> The Management.
Nope.
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-23, 1:11 pm |
| "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding
> out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me what you
> would like from our service
No spam.
Ivor
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| Infant Newbie 2007-05-23, 7:11 pm |
| "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> No spam.
>
What makes this spam? It is a genuine request. This is a group with quite
considerable discussion about the pros and cons of VOIP Service Providers.
Why dont we try and get some Do's and Dont's from knowledgeable people? I am
not advertising any site at all.
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| Infant Newbie 2007-05-23, 7:11 pm |
| "Henry Hooray" <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
news:5bimakF2skletU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> Nope.
Why not? Wont you like a good service from a provider who wants to hear your
views?
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> No spam.
I hate spam as much as the next person, spam as far as I define it is ; 1
way blatent advertising.
this message did not advertise any company or product and was a genuine
question trying to bring up a worthwhile discussion.
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| "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals
> in this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR
> FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
>
> Any takers?
> The Management.
Not sure why other have been so against your post as most people complain
companies do not listen to what potential customer want. Maybe if SIPGATE
had some respect for their customers and listen to them, they would not get
so slagged off on here.
My Needs;
I use VOIP for work, the service I need has to be rock solid, easy to
administer and with lots of functions. cost is an issue in that it should
be value for money
not cheap.
Features I like/would like in a service :
PSTN fallover/divert
Voicemail Configuration - on/off when to kick in
Decent range of DID not 0870 numbers - Willing to pay for
Competive Call charges, not silly free calls or silly overprices 20p/m
mobile calls
Work with Trixbox/Asterisk
Callme URL
Extra functions
If you can incorporate PBX type functions at a good rate then you will have
a winner, functions like :
blacklist
IVR
Call routing
On Hold Music
If you can do prompts via text files like callagenix do (not a voip provider
but a virtual pbx company) that would be great
Just some thoughts,
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| Brian A 2007-05-24, 7:11 am |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:21:38 +0100, "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com>
wrote:
>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>I hate spam as much as the next person, spam as far as I define it is ; 1
>way blatent advertising.
>this message did not advertise any company or product and was a genuine
>question trying to bring up a worthwhile discussion.
I agree, it the post did not advertise anything, so it might not be
considerd as spam - unless you consider it as market research spam.
I am going to give it the botd.
O.K., I was hoping I wouildn't be the first here ...
1. Obvious stuff like reliability and good quality audio.
2. Good prices including a flat rate to landlines like voip.co.uk and
vyke.co.uk. Decent mobile rates.
3. Good voicemail facility.
4. MUST work with Voxalot.
5. Usual inclusive 'network services' (i.e. 1471 etc.) additions.
6. Inclusive geo incoming number.
Now, the above should create some comment... :-)
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-24, 1:11 pm |
| "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> What makes this spam?
It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
> It is a genuine request. This is a
> group with quite considerable discussion about the pros
> and cons of VOIP Service Providers. Why dont we try and
> get some Do's and Dont's from knowledgeable people? I am
> not advertising any site at all.
Of course not.
<Plonk>
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-24, 1:11 pm |
|
"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j6oa535sum1fjgqvgb3lh9cl2fqqsdkikm@
4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:21:38 +0100, "RH"
> <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote:
>
> I agree, it the post did not advertise anything, so it
> might not be considerd as spam - unless you consider it
> as market research spam.
It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster doesn't give an email
address that is valid, nor a website to check out. Not signs of a
reputable company IMO.
> I am going to give it the botd.
>
> O.K., I was hoping I wouildn't be the first here ...
> 1. Obvious stuff like reliability and good quality audio.
> 2. Good prices including a flat rate to landlines like
> voip.co.uk and vyke.co.uk. Decent mobile rates.
> 3. Good voicemail facility.
> 4. MUST work with Voxalot.
> 5. Usual inclusive 'network services' (i.e. 1471 etc.)
> additions.
> 6. Inclusive geo incoming number.
>
> Now, the above should create some comment... :-)
Add to the above - don't spam newsgroups.
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-24, 1:11 pm |
| "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
news:f33no7$8qr$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> Not sure why other have been so against your post as most
> people complain companies do not listen to what potential
> customer want. Maybe if SIPGATE had some respect for
> their customers and listen to them, they would not get so
> slagged off on here.
Strange, I've never had any issues with them. At least they have an
accessible website and email addresses that work.
Ivor
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| Desk Rabbit 2007-05-24, 1:11 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
In that case, every single root message is spam.
>
>
> Of course not.
>
> <Plonk>
>
> Ivor
>
>
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| Desk Rabbit 2007-05-24, 1:11 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:j6oa535sum1fjgqvgb3lh9cl2fqqsdkikm@
4ax.com
>
> It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster doesn't give an email
> address that is valid, nor a website to check out.
Make up your mind. If they had posted a web site you'd be complaining it
was spam now you are complaining its spam because they didn't post a web
site! FFS!
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
In your opinion. If you don't like the thread, just ignore it.
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| Desk Rabbit 2007-05-24, 1:11 pm |
| Infant Newbie wrote:
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals in
> this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR FOREVER
> HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
>
> Any takers?
> The Management.
>
>
First ignore Ivor.
Second, number one top of the list is reliability. The telephone is one
of those pieces of equipment that people pick up and expect to work
first time, every time. In fact for a PSTN or PBX phone not to work is
so rare as to be unimaginable these days. Some VOIP services on the
other hand can be unreliable and if your system doesn't work then
customers will walk. I recall the days I used to work in local radio
when digital audio systems were the new thing. We had to keep the
servers and playout systems up 24x7 365. Even a few minutes downtime was
a disaster as listeners would just retune to a different station and
that means lost revenue for a commercial station.
Next comes call quality - If it sounds ropey then no matter what the
call costs people won't use it for long.
Next is call cost. I suggest you don't aim to be the cheapest and I
guess there is only so low you can go anyway.
Then comes interoperability. You need to support a wide range of phones
and other VOIP providers. For me I'd want to see Asterisk support as well.
And the foundation stone & secret ingredient that will keep you going
and bring in new clients every day - First class customer service & support.
Good luck!
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>
> Strange, I've never had any issues with them. At least they have an
> accessible website and email addresses that work.
Ivor never said you had issues, never said I had issues with sipgate but
others had, any kind of company being proactive
with customer feedback should be welcomed.
uk.telecom.voip would be far better if we had more good constructive
threads. Finding what people like in an ISP service is far more
constructive than your pointless THIS IS SPAM messages, sometimes I think
you enjoy being spammed so you can get into high and mighty
BS mode like a over zealous traffic warden.
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| NicHughes 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On 23 May, 18:17, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Infant Newbie" <inf...@newbie.new> wrote in message
>
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
>
> No spam.
>
That's right, this is no spam. So they are off to a good start on that
requirement then.
With a Breidbart Index of precisely 1 it bears no resemblance at all
to the accepted definitions of usenet spam.
--
Nic
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 00:33:53 +0100, "Infant Newbie"
<infant@newbie.new> wrote:
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
>What makes this spam? It is a genuine request. This is a group with quite
>considerable discussion about the pros and cons of VOIP Service Providers.
>Why dont we try and get some Do's and Dont's from knowledgeable people? I am
>not advertising any site at all.
>
Take no notice Ivor is totally obsessed with spam.
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:03:35 +0100, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
>
>In your opinion. If you don't like the thread, just ignore it.
He couldn't how else could he get himself noticed don't forget he
OWN'S this forum or thinks he does .
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:55:54 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster doesn't give an email
>address that is valid, nor a website to check out. Not signs of a
>reputable company IMO.
Ivor go away until till you can think of some other words to type
besides spam there's a good chap you are totally obsessed with spam .
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:48:15 +0100, Desk Rabbit <nospam@example.com>
wrote:
>Make up your mind. If they had posted a web site you'd be complaining it
>was spam now you are complaining its spam because they didn't post a web
>site! FFS!
Fick in he .
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| Paul Cupis 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
No it's not.
The OP was not spam.
On the other hand, if your reply was an answer to the question
suggesting that "no spam" was something you would like to see from the
OPs service, then good - I second the suggestion.
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:57:22 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>"RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
>news:f33no7$8qr$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk
>
>Strange, I've never had any issues with them.
But do not forget to tell people you are in their employ there's a
good chap or else you are an idiot it is one of the two .
At least they have an
>accessible website and email addresses that work.
But are very reluctant to provide paying customers with a support
phone number and provide personnel to man it I wonder why have they
not got the guts to face customers in real time I wonder .
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:34:42 +0100, "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com>
wrote:
>. Finding what people like in an ISP service is far more
>constructive than your pointless THIS IS SPAM messages, sometimes I think
>you enjoy being spammed so you can get into high and mighty
>BS mode like a over zealous traffic warden.
>
Course he likes being spammed how else would he get noticed here or
anywhere else .
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-24, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:12:55 +0100, Desk Rabbit <nospam@example.com>
wrote:
>First ignore Ivor.
That had to come first .
>And the foundation stone & secret ingredient that will keep you going
>and bring in new clients every day - First class customer service & support.
And the support department being contact able by telephone and not
just by email .
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|
|
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:mo6c53h6rbnh9c8emt6u7426nc7ijj03e9@
4ax.com...
> Take no notice Ivor is totally obsessed with spam.
And you wouldn't be totally obsessed with Ivor would you?
Rob
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<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:34:42 +0100, "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com>
> wrote:
> Course he likes being spammed how else would he get noticed here or
> anywhere else .
And if Ivor didn't post, you'd probably lose the will to live.
Rob
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| "alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3292333.hLYrBQ2OVN@ale.cx
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
>
> In your opinion. If you don't like the thread, just
> ignore it.
Tell you what, why don't you ignore me..? I won't mind, honest.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:gs6c53lpmrltk4nb6ilunvlli02o8q22u1@
4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:03:35 +0100, alexd
> <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> He couldn't how else could he get himself noticed don't
> forget he OWN'S this forum or thinks he does .
Newsgroup.
Hello Ron. Tell you what, why don't you ignore me, I won't mind.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
|
"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f356ob$1v84$3@energise.enta.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> No it's not.
Unsolicited Commercial Email. It was certainly unsolicited. It may not
have been commercial, but it looked like it to me. Email, well a newsgroup
posting may not be email, but it's close enough.
> The OP was not spam.
Yes it was.
> On the other hand, if your reply was an answer to the
> question suggesting that "no spam" was something you
> would like to see from the OPs service, then good - I
> second the suggestion.
It was that too.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:g46dnUiCWI_ALsjbRVnytwA@pipex.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
[snip]
>
> Make up your mind. If they had posted a web site you'd be
> complaining it was spam now you are complaining its spam
> because they didn't post a web site! FFS!
Irrelevant. It would have been spam whether they had or not.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
|
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:qb7c5398en5sh83bejebjk303vha441abp@
4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:48:15 +0100, Desk Rabbit
> <nospam@example.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fick in he .
Que..?
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:n47c539g2i0ojfsu6sch0orbj36cd1k357@
4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:55:54 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ivor go away until till you can think of some other words
> to type besides spam there's a good chap you are totally
> obsessed with spam .
Ron go away until till you can think of some other words
to type besides Ivor go away there's a good chap you are totally
obsessed with pointless replies to me.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| "NicHughes" <nichughes@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:1180046710.454467.319030@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com
> On 23 May, 18:17, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> That's right, this is no spam. So they are off to a good
> start on that requirement then.
>
> With a Breidbart Index of precisely 1 it bears no
> resemblance at all to the accepted definitions of usenet
> spam.
If you say so. I beg to differ.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
|
"RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
news:f350dl$p6r$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
>
> Ivor never said you had issues, never said I had issues
> with sipgate but others had, any kind of company being
> proactive with customer feedback should be welcomed.
Indeed. But a company that uses a munged address and doesn't provide a
website where you can check out their products is somewhat suspicious to
my mind.
> uk.telecom.voip would be far better if we had more good
> constructive threads. Finding what people like in an ISP
> service is far more constructive than your pointless THIS
> IS SPAM messages, sometimes I think you enjoy being
> spammed so you can get into high and mighty BS mode like a over zealous
> traffic warden.
If you say so.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dm7c539crd0m5odvqp3fuj18mi65ctebdd@
4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:34:42 +0100, "RH"
> <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote:
>
>
> Course he likes being spammed how else would he get
> noticed here or anywhere else .
And you don't reply to everything I post in order that you can get
noticed, do you, Ron..?
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:9q7c53pdgi4f139e3lqk224l96g5nj7ueq@
4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:12:55 +0100, Desk Rabbit
> <nospam@example.com> wrote:
>
>
> That had to come first .
If only you would, Ron.
Ivor
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 02:42:48 +0100, "Rob" <nobody@this.place.invalid>
wrote:
>
><clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:mo6c53h6rbnh9c8emt6u7426nc7ijj03e9@
4ax.com...
>
>And you wouldn't be totally obsessed with Ivor would you?
>
>Rob
>
No I am not I am obsessed with anyone who goes on and on about such
things but there is ONLY Ivor that seems to do this .
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 12:21:05 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
><clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:gs6c53lpmrltk4nb6ilunvlli02o8q22u1@
4ax.com
>
>Newsgroup.
FORUM
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 7:11 am |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 12:22:40 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>well a newsgroup
>posting may not be email, but it's close enough.
FORUM
>Yes it was.
NO IT WASEN 'T
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ecjd539h3cqapjjnrfvtkuv7ulrk89mq02@
4ax.com
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 12:22:40 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> NO IT WASEN 'T
Shouting and bad spelling all in three words, you're doing well today
Ron..!
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
|
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:76jd53hs2093pgis54936btnv0ueee60ki@
4ax.com
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 02:42:48 +0100, "Rob"
> <nobody@this.place.invalid> wrote:
>
> No I am not I am obsessed with anyone who goes on and on
> about such things but there is ONLY Ivor that seems to do
> this .
Pot, kettle, black...
Ivor
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|
| Infant Newbie (infant@newbie.new) ha scritto:
:: We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
:: sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me
:: what you would like from our service
Free geographic numbers (local rate, no national
rate) and the best audio quality (no delay).
(Obviously cheap)
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| Elia Finotti 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| "SBS" <no.spam@me> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:4656dc0c$0$36449$4fafbaef@reader5.news.tin.it...
>
> Free geographic numbers (local rate, no national
> rate) and the best audio quality (no delay).
>
> (Obviously cheap)
And outgoing CID settable ;-)
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|
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3292333.hLYrBQ2OVN@ale.cx
>
> Tell you what, why don't you ignore me..? I won't mind, honest.
It's difficult to ignore you when you post to every thread, dragging them
off topic to further your petty little agenda, you ignorant little
pig-XXXXer.
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:12:47 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
><clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:ecjd539h3cqapjjnrfvtkuv7ulrk89mq02@
4ax.com
>
>Shouting and bad spelling all in three words, you're doing well today
>Ron..!
>
>Ivor
>
At least I do not mention SPAM or SIPGATE with every post to this
FORUM .
| |
| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:00:07 +0100, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
>
>It's difficult to ignore you when you post to every thread, dragging them
>off topic to further your petty little agenda, you ignorant little
>pig-XXXXer.
Well he is a bloody biker and stupid radio ham what do you expect from
such people .
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
|
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:tpqd53lht3i4ctipojdv41tcelut9puig5@
4ax.com
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:00:07 +0100, alexd
> <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Well he is a bloody biker and stupid radio ham what do
> you expect from such people .
Ah, sweeping generalisations.
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
|
"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:51336548.tg8tou0vxd@ale.cx
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
>
> It's difficult to ignore you when you post to every
> thread, dragging them off topic to further your petty
> little agenda, you ignorant little pig-XXXXer.
Ah, foul language. Now you've shown your true colours.
FYI I do not "post to every thread" - I only post to those I feel it
necessary to do so.
BTW you can ignore me easily, it's called a killfile. Do you want me to
show you how to use it..? You are obviously somewhat lacking in
intelligence if you have to resort to swearing to make a point.
Ivor
| |
| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:32:03 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>Ah, foul language. Now you've shown your true colours.
You are enough to make the pope use foul language go away and hound
the spammers .
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:qeud539ovrrshbbfrhle1iajhk5vjms1ki@
4ax.com
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:32:03 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> You are enough to make the pope use foul language go away
> and hound the spammers .
Ah, so you *want* me to hound spammers..? What are you complaining about,
then..?!
Ivor
| |
| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:32:35 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>Ah, sweeping generalisations.
>
No it has been my experance that all you bikers and radio hams are
tarred with the same brush .
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:2hud539copp0dq3q4umq8mf6vhmkm2j523@
4ax.com
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:32:35 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> No it has been my experance that all you bikers and radio
> hams are tarred with the same brush .
Like I said, sweeping generalisations. Have you met *all* the bikers and
radio amateurs in the world..? Have you even met a fraction of them..? No.
I'd stop digging now if I were you.
Ivor
| |
| Richard Colton 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
|
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:l9jd5356klepipfqas9voelnkso3conood@
4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 12:21:05 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> FORUM
Exactly how XXXXing old are you Ron?
Ivor is wrong on this one, but his intentions are far better than yours.
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:50 GMT, "Richard Colton"
<webmaster@NILSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote:
>Exactly how XXXXing old are you Ron?
Oh dear more foul language now you know Ivor does not allow this in
his fourum .
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| GymRatZ 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| clavox@btinternet.com wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:32:35 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> No it has been my experance that all you bikers and radio hams are
> tarred with the same brush .
I have partaken in both activities in yesteryear.
Would have you have spotted it? or is it more noticeable on people
currently partaking in such activities?
| |
| GymRatZ 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| Brian A wrote:
> O.K., I was hoping I wouildn't be the first here ...
> 1. Obvious stuff like reliability and good quality audio.
> 2. Good prices including a flat rate to landlines like voip.co.uk and
> vyke.co.uk. Decent mobile rates.
> 3. Good voicemail facility.
> 4. MUST work with Voxalot.
> 5. Usual inclusive 'network services' (i.e. 1471 etc.) additions.
> 6. Inclusive geo incoming number.
7. A reliable and rapid fail-over to PSTN number as and when the service
should go down.
Loss of internet and e-mail for a few hours is no big thing really, but
loss of VOIP service at providers end for more than a few minutes is a
real problem and needs to be switched to PSTN for inbound calls very
quickly.
Pete
--
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| Ed Straker 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 12:22:40 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>Unsolicited Commercial Email. It was certainly unsolicited. It may not
>have been commercial, but it looked like it to me. Email, well a newsgroup
>posting may not be email, but it's close enough.
>
>
>Yes it was.
>
>
>It was that too.
I'm not sure whether it was spam or not but it _was_ a bloody good
troll!
Ed.
| |
| Desk Rabbit 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:f356ob$1v84$3@energise.enta.net
>
> Unsolicited Commercial Email. It was certainly unsolicited.
As is every root message in this newsgroup.
> have been commercial, but it looked like it to me.
> Email, well a newsgroup
> posting may not be email, but it's close enough.
As close as a Rabbit is to a Kangaroo.
| |
| Paul Cupis 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On 2007-05-25, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:f356ob$1v84$3@energise.enta.net
>
> Unsolicited Commercial Email.
Pick ONE definition, please.
> It was certainly unsolicited.
Agreed.
> It may not have been commercial, but it looked like it to me.
It wasn't commercial, and isn't commercial. You jumped the gun and
didn't read the original post. An apology from you to the OP would be
nice, but I don't expect we'll see one. Nor do I expect you to admit
that you are wrong in this case.
> Email, well a newsgroup posting may not be email, but it's close
> enough.
<groundless argument>
Email is not a newsgroup. Nowhere on the www.usenet.org.uk does it say
the word email, therefore you may not refer to it as email EVER.
</groundless argument>
| |
| Desk Rabbit 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:qb7c5398en5sh83bejebjk303vha441abp@
4ax.com
>
> Que..?
>
>
The defendant means "Thick. Is he not?" M'lud
| |
| Paul Cupis 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On 2007-05-24, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:j6oa535sum1fjgqvgb3lh9cl2fqqsdkikm@
4ax.com
>
> It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster doesn't give an email
> address that is valid,
So speaks <ivor@depsammed.invalid>. Nice troll, Ivor.
| |
| Paul Cupis 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On 2007-05-25, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> Indeed. But a company that uses a munged address and doesn't provide a
> website where you can check out their products is somewhat suspicious to
> my mind.
But they are not advertising anything nor are they inviting people to
contact them directly. They (whoever they are) are asking a simple
question on uk.telecom.voip, a discussion group, probably to illicit
discussion regarding VoIP in the UK.
| |
| Paul Cupis 2007-05-25, 1:11 pm |
| On 2007-05-25, Elia Finotti <eliaDOTfinotti@libero.it.invalid> wrote:
> "SBS" <no.spam@me> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:4656dc0c$0$36449$4fafbaef@reader5.news.tin.it...
>
> And outgoing CID settable ;-)
As long as you can provide evidence that you "own" the number you want
to present, of course... 
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-25, 7:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 16:47:29 +0000 (UTC), Paul Cupis
<paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote:
> Nor do I expect you to admit
>that you are wrong in this case.
How can you expect him to after all it is is forum isn't it !.
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-25, 7:11 pm |
| On Fri, 25 May 2007 12:28:24 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>Indeed. But a company that uses a munged address and doesn't provide a
>website where you can check out their products is somewhat suspicious to
>my mind.
Indeed a company that uses a UK address and purports to be based in
the UK and isn't, is also somewhat suspicious to my mind.
| |
| Infant Newbie 2007-05-25, 7:11 pm |
| I have to reply to myself because the thread is so long. I dont want to
start a "spam war". Ivor, I live in London and I dont spam. My email address
is invalid, just like yours. I do have a rarely used yahoo address which you
can contact me directly on - if you wish. its meshcode at xxxxxhoo.co.uk. I
have read the whole thread and I will condense the wish list and reply to
all.
HOWEVER, one thing worries me and maybe you guys can tell me how to manage
it....SUPPORT !!
How can I provide proper live person on the phone (note I said person, not
cretin) with some knowledge and keep the service reasonably priced. I know
what people think about non-UK call centres so lets not even go there!
Most of the things required are usually sourced from BT Wholesale and I will
surely try to provide a good service.
Second thing - how does the provider improve the sound quality when so much
of it depends on the connection from the end user?
Bart.
Still not giving away any details of websites etc.
Not even asking for Beta Testers.
Certainly Doesnt want Ivor to be a Beta Tester.
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:11 am |
|
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:fc2e53hmcf5io7e93us566suuj6lc7bicb@
4ax.com
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:50 GMT, "Richard Colton"
> <webmaster@NILSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Oh dear more foul language now you know Ivor does not
> allow this in his fourum .
I'm getting dangerously close to yawning here...
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:11 am |
|
"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:rvedndxWRJ-RjsrbnZ2dnUVZ8qfinZ2d@pipex.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> As is every root message in this newsgroup.
>
>
>
>
> As close as a Rabbit is to a Kangaroo.
Like I said, close enough.
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:11 am |
|
"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnf5e4tp.p8d.paul@challenger.my.home
> On 2007-05-24, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> So speaks <ivor@depsammed.invalid>. Nice troll, Ivor.
Not at all. Change .invalid (the top level domain specifically intended
for the purpose) to .com and mail will reach me.
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:11 am |
|
"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnf5e52p.p8d.paul@challenger.my.home
> On 2007-05-25, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> But they are not advertising anything nor are they
> inviting people to contact them directly. They (whoever
> they are) are asking a simple question on
> uk.telecom.voip, a discussion group, probably to illicit
> discussion regarding VoIP in the UK.
Right. The part of your sentence above "whoever they are" says it all to
me. If they were a reputable organisation they wouldn't hide.
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:11 am |
| "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f37qir$9ig$1@news.freedom2surf.net
[snip]
> Still not giving away any details of websites etc.
Why not..?
> Not even asking for Beta Testers.
> Certainly Doesnt want Ivor to be a Beta Tester.
That's just as well, because it's the last thing I'd want to be.
Ivor
| |
| Infant Newbie 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| Because the website, which might change, is not up yet ! At the moment, we
have a couple of servers up and we are testing and configuring stuff.
Hopefully, you will appreciate our effort to get things right on day 1.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5bpfrhF2u8esqU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f37qir$9ig$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Why not..?
>
>
> That's just as well, because it's the last thing I'd want to be.
>
> Ivor
>
>
| |
|
|
"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f37qir$9ig$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>I have to reply to myself because the thread is so long. I dont want to
>start a "spam war". Ivor, I live in London and I dont spam. My email
>address is invalid, just like yours. I do have a rarely used yahoo address
>which you can contact me directly on - if you wish. its meshcode at
>xxxxxhoo.co.uk. I have read the whole thread and I will condense the wish
>list and reply to all.
>
> HOWEVER, one thing worries me and maybe you guys can tell me how to manage
> it....SUPPORT !!
> How can I provide proper live person on the phone (note I said person, not
> cretin) with some knowledge and keep the service reasonably priced. I know
> what people think about non-UK call centres so lets not even go there!
>
> Most of the things required are usually sourced from BT Wholesale and I
> will surely try to provide a good service.
>
> Second thing - how does the provider improve the sound quality when so
> much of it depends on the connection from the end user?
Bart,
You have hit probably the biggest issue on the head, customers are hard
people they want good service
and they don't want to pay for it. customers want free geographic calls, all
functions, and cheap costs and a live support
person who will answer the calls in 3 rings and they want the moon on a
stick.
Working in support in another industry I see supporting VOIP a nightmare,
You not only have to support your systems but also
other peoples internet connection/router/softphones/hardphones/ata all for a
customer who may only add 10 credit a quarter. In other
industries you would maybe charge customers 80/hour for decent tech
support.
I think having live telephone support is nice it is really an impossible
dream, unless a user whants to pay for it either via services charges for
the
VOIP services or having premium chargable support ( in addition to standard
support - no likes only form of support to be premium rate number)
or you can go down the Betamax route, they have several VOIP services which
offer no support, but prices are so cheap and people get such a good deal
that you kind of let the issues go when you have them as the savings are
huge.
Sound quality can vary a lot from different services providers.
The voice provider needs to have the bandwidth to cope with all incoming and
outgoing channels
should have different internet backbones
plus there is the routing of calls, some cheaper companies use grey routes
to channel calls abroad and quality can be iffy
| |
| Paul Cupis 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnf5e4tp.p8d.paul@challenger.my.home
>
> Not at all. Change .invalid (the top level domain specifically intended
> for the purpose) to .com and mail will reach me.
And yet the email address you post from IS invalid. Just as the OPs. Not
only that, but neither of you provide instructions in your posts on who
to derive a valid email address.
| |
| Paul Cupis 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnf5e52p.p8d.paul@challenger.my.home
>
> Right. The part of your sentence above "whoever they are" says it all to
> me. If they were a reputable organisation they wouldn't hide.
So because they have not give you proof of identity in some form, they
must be spammers? Even though it is completely irrelevant for their post?
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f38qo4$2ema$2@energise.enta.net
[snip]
> And yet the email address you post from IS invalid. Just
> as the OPs. Not only that, but neither of you provide
> instructions in your posts on who to derive a valid email
> address.
I would have thought it was obvious to anyone with a modicum of
intelligence. I don't particularly *want* to receive mail from anyone who
can't work that out.
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
|
"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f38qrn$2ema$3@energise.enta.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> So because they have not give you proof of identity in
> some form, they must be spammers? Even though it is
> completely irrelevant for their post?
It isn't irrelevant. The post was spam. The lack of a valid address merely
compounds it.
Ivor
| |
| Paul Cupis 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> The post was spam.
I think you are the only person who has responded who actually thinks
that. It doesn't even meet your second definition of spam.
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f38n61$t3d$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> Because the website, which might change, is not up yet !
> At the moment, we have a couple of servers up and we are
> testing and configuring stuff. Hopefully, you will
> appreciate our effort to get things right on day 1.
Ah. Not only top posting, but a meaningless reply. If you'd waited until
you had a website up before posting at all, plus if you'd posted with a
valid/sensible name (what on earth do you think "Infant Newbie" sounds
like to a potential customer..?) then you *might* just have interested me.
I don't propose to continue this, I'm obviously banging my head against a
wall, it's starting to hurt.
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f38tcc$2jvq$1@energise.enta.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> I think you are the only person who has responded who
> actually thinks that. It doesn't even meet your second
> definition of spam.
It's still spam.
Ivor
| |
| Infant Newbie 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
|
"RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
news:f38q2l$t0u$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f37qir$9ig$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> Bart,
>
> You have hit probably the biggest issue on the head, customers are hard
> people they want good service
> and they don't want to pay for it. customers want free geographic calls,
> all functions, and cheap costs and a live support
> person who will answer the calls in 3 rings and they want the moon on a
> stick.
>
> Working in support in another industry I see supporting VOIP a nightmare,
> You not only have to support your systems but also
> other peoples internet connection/router/softphones/hardphones/ata all for
> a customer who may only add 10 credit a quarter. In other
> industries you would maybe charge customers 80/hour for decent tech
> support.
>
> I think having live telephone support is nice it is really an impossible
> dream, unless a user whants to pay for it either via services charges for
> the
> VOIP services or having premium chargable support ( in addition to
> standard support - no likes only form of support to be premium rate
> number)
>
> or you can go down the Betamax route, they have several VOIP services
> which offer no support, but prices are so cheap and people get such a good
> deal
> that you kind of let the issues go when you have them as the savings are
> huge.
>
> Sound quality can vary a lot from different services providers.
> The voice provider needs to have the bandwidth to cope with all incoming
> and outgoing channels
> should have different internet backbones
> plus there is the routing of calls, some cheaper companies use grey routes
> to channel calls abroad and quality can be iffy
>
>
That wont work - I would not expect people to sign up for a service +
support and pay more than people who sign up for service only. I think some
form of paid support will be handy. What about a rapid 24 hour email
support - like within 5 minutes and a VERY EXPENSIVE phone line?
Concerning the voice quality, I can only see a Suck it n See approach. How
can I get competitively priced routes and make sure I have good quality?
There are loads of companies/guys out there providing A/Z routes but there
is no measure of quality. I will investigate that matter.
We already have servers in a UK call centre and hops are low. We will soon
know if we have to move to the docklands --- hmmmm(more
expensive)......(((thinking, thinking, thinking))
| |
| Infant Newbie 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5bqbn9F2ue6nhU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f38n61$t3d$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> Ah. Not only top posting, but a meaningless reply. If you'd waited until
> you had a website up before posting at all, plus if you'd posted with a
> valid/sensible name (what on earth do you think "Infant Newbie" sounds
> like to a potential customer..?) then you *might* just have interested me.
>
> I don't propose to continue this, I'm obviously banging my head against a
> wall, it's starting to hurt.
>
> Ivor
>
>
Sorry about top posting earlier. Its this OE. Lets make peace....at least I
am not offering Viagra !
I will soon have to stop work and watch Monte-Carlo. I wonder which will
come first, will he crash or will he win?
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| On Sat, 26 May 2007 10:07:03 +0100, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
wrote:
>Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>I think you are the only person who has responded who actually thinks
>that. It doesn't even meet your second definition of spam.
I haven't been subscribed to this forum very long but long enough to
know that Ivor is away's right even when others are saying he couldn't
be more wrong . Someone also intimated that he is the owner of this
forum how can this be ? .
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:12:13 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
>news:f37qir$9ig$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
>[snip]
>
>
>Why not..?
>
>
>That's just as well, because it's the last thing I'd want to be.
Only because you are a complete know all that knows B all .
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-26, 7:11 am |
| On Sat, 26 May 2007 10:07:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> (what on earth do you think "Infant Newbie" sounds
>like to a potential customer..?) .
Much better than sipgate .
| |
|
|
"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f38tcc$2jvq$1@energise.enta.net...
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> I think you are the only person who has responded who actually thinks
> that. It doesn't even meet your second definition of spam.
I think there is no doubt that it was not spam, and Ivor has kind of backed
himself into a corner, I have lost
all respect for him after his posts on this thread. If he had any balls or
sense of worth he would put his hands up
and admit maybe he made a mistake, I suspect he lives so much for his anti
spam role in life that he did not engage brain
before replying to the OP and just sent the SPAM reply on auto pilot.
Making a mistake is not wrong, and admitting to it shows some guts where as
trying to defend the plain right daft is silly
..
| |
|
| > That wont work - I would not expect people to sign up for a service +
> support and pay more than people who sign up for service only. I think
> some form of paid support will be handy. What about a rapid 24 hour email
> support - like within 5 minutes and a VERY EXPENSIVE phone line?
>
> Concerning the voice quality, I can only see a Suck it n See approach. How
> can I get competitively priced routes and make sure I have good quality?
> There are loads of companies/guys out there providing A/Z routes but there
> is no measure of quality. I will investigate that matter.
>
> We already have servers in a UK call centre and hops are low. We will soon
> know if we have to move to the docklands --- hmmmm(more
> expensive)......(((thinking, thinking, thinking))
I think telephone support really is OTT for average VOIP customer mail
support usually works just as well, if customers want and need immediate
telephone
support then premium rate may be a way to go, I know if I was desperate to
get my unsupported ATA to work and could not wait for email comms to come
back
I would pay.
reference call quality, not sure, but I know of at least one VOIP provider
who offers customers different grade calls to some countries, so with a
different phone prefix you can use premium quality line. Which is great for
business use, where a crappy phone call could cost far more than the
2p/minute call charge to country X.
Please do not take this the wrong way, but I think anyone going into the
VOIP industry must have balls of steel, many have come and gone. the profit
is only there to made with huge numbers of subscribers, if Vonage has not
been able to make a profit it must save something
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:12 pm |
| "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
news:f39e42$45i$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:f38tcc$2jvq$1@energise.enta.net...
>
> I think there is no doubt that it was not spam, and Ivor
> has kind of backed himself into a corner, I have lost
> all respect for him after his posts on this thread.
It's just as well I don't care whether you respect me or not then, isn't
it.
Feel free to killfile me. It's amazing that people don't do that, but then
if you did you wouldn't see my posts to complain about them, would you..?!
> If he
> had any balls or sense of worth he would put his hands up
> and admit maybe he made a mistake, I suspect he lives so
> much for his anti spam role in life that he did not
> engage brain before replying to the OP and just sent the SPAM reply on
> auto pilot.
> Making a mistake is not wrong, and admitting to it shows
> some guts where as trying to defend the plain right daft
> is silly
I haven't made a mistake.
The killfile is that way ==>
Ivor
> .
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:12 pm |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vd6g5355sl06utoo7618j7re2piieqcm18@
4ax.com
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 10:07:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> Much better than sipgate .
Now I *know* you're Ron Chew..!
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:12 pm |
|
<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fa6g53p3akgb6nt2opeofnpip0a78s056u@
4ax.com
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:12:13 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Only because you are a complete know all that knows B all
A lot more than you ever will mate.
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-26, 1:12 pm |
| "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
news:f39fbo$5p0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
[snip]
> I think telephone support really is OTT for average VOIP
> customer mail support usually works just as well, if
> customers want and need immediate telephone
> support then premium rate may be a way to go, I know if
> I was desperate to get my unsupported ATA to work and
> could not wait for email comms to come back
> I would pay.
There is one fundamental flaw with premium rate phone support. If the
problem *doesn't* get solved, the caller has wasted their money and has no
way to retrieve it. If I am unhappy with a service that I pay for by
invoice or bill, I can withhold payment until I am satisfied. With a phone
call, the money's gone and I'm no further forward than I was before.
> Please do not take this the wrong way, but I think anyone
> going into the VOIP industry must have balls of steel,
> many have come and gone. the profit is only there to made
> with huge numbers of subscribers, if Vonage has not been
> able to make a profit it must save something
Sipgate are still in business, they were one of the first and are still
there, they must be doing something right.
Ivor
| |
| Infant Newbie 2007-05-26, 1:12 pm |
|
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5br343F2t31hsU1@mid.individual.net...
> "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
> news:f39fbo$5p0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
>
> [snip]
>
>
> There is one fundamental flaw with premium rate phone support. If the
> problem *doesn't* get solved, the caller has wasted their money and has no
> way to retrieve it. If I am unhappy with a service that I pay for by
> invoice or bill, I can withhold payment until I am satisfied. With a phone
> call, the money's gone and I'm no further forward than I was before.
>
>
> Sipgate are still in business, they were one of the first and are still
> there, they must be doing something right.
>
> Ivor
>
Ivor, I am happy to have you on board with such a good point. However, we
have a TWIST to our service and the calls from end users should all be free
(cant say more and I wont elaborate). We will however provide a traditional
service which I want to be TOP NOTCH. It might not even need to be
profitable - all it needs to do is pay its own way. So I am thinking,
quality, quality quality.
| |
|
| Elia Finotti (eliaDOTfinotti@libero.it.invalid) ha scritto:
::: Free geographic numbers (local rate, no national
::: rate) and the best audio quality (no delay).
::: (Obviously cheap)
::
:: And outgoing CID settable ;-)
Hi man, are you here on holiday? ;-)
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-27, 7:11 am |
| On Sat, 26 May 2007 16:42:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
><mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fa6g53p3akgb6nt2opeofnpip0a78s056u@
4ax.com
>
>A lot more than you ever will mate.
Well at least I do not think that when anyone asked people for
information the are spamming the forum which you do, Moses so
what anyone post here you are screaming spam like a big kid.
Grow up and get over it perhaps a change of nappy would help
you .
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-27, 7:11 am |
| On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:06:06 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
><clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:fc2e53hmcf5io7e93us566suuj6lc7bicb@
4ax.com
>
>I'm getting dangerously close to yawning here...
Well I sincerely hope you get lockjaw in that case .
| |
| Mike the unimaginative 2007-05-27, 1:11 pm |
| "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in
news:f39mqq$l7u$1@news.freedom2surf.net:
>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5br343F2t31hsU1@mid.individual.net...
snip
> Ivor, I am happy to have you on board with such a good point. However,
> we have a TWIST to our service and the calls from end users should all
> be free (cant say more and I wont elaborate). We will however provide
> a traditional service which I want to be TOP NOTCH. It might not even
> need to be profitable - all it needs to do is pay its own way. So I am
> thinking, quality, quality quality.
>
Ahh so someone has to listen to an advert before the call is connected
methinks - OK it's a business model, not one I'd go for, but it's an
approach.
What I don't want is : resellers, spam (ignoring what has been said
before), poor call quality, obscure call pricing plans, hard-to-get out
of contracts.
What I do want is : one-off payments (rather than monthly charges) for
things like geo numbers; a choice of number; settable outgoing CLID;
simple (yes *simple*) setting instructions for my ATA (and his, and his,
and hers);veiwable on-line call cost records.
What I'd like is : a second tier service that I can ignore if I want to
that includes the bells & whistles that 'professional users' might want
- that might even extend to voicemail.
What I think I'm describing is mostly Sipgate with a bit of Voip.co.uk
thrown in.
>
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-27, 1:11 pm |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oqoi53tjum60ficbgr5f5ggjp66is0osvh@
4ax.com
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:06:06 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> Well I sincerely hope you get lockjaw in that case .
Thanks, it's nice to be popular :-)
Ivor
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-27, 1:11 pm |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lcoi53t0p6gq4m771htui6vndd4urb4aai@
4ax.com
[snip]
> Well at least I do not think that when anyone asked
> people for information the are spamming the forum which
> you do,
How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise anyone or anything.
Even if I was, this isn't a forum, but we've already had this discussion.
> Moses so what anyone post here you are screaming
> spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
> change of nappy would help you .
That bit doesn't make sense, could you rewrite it in comprehensible
English please..?
Ivor
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-27, 1:11 pm |
| On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:31:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
><mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lcoi53t0p6gq4m771htui6vndd4urb4aai@
4ax.com
>
>[snip]
>
>
>How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise anyone or anything.
>Even if I was, this isn't a forum, but we've already had this discussion.
>
>
>That bit doesn't make sense, could you rewrite it in comprehensible
>English please..?
>
>Ivor
>
You leave me no choice I did try to avoid this but you have asked for
it now rewritten just for you Herr Jones so no complaints please
...........
XXXX me stiff whatever anyone post here you are screaming
spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
change of nappy would help you .
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-27, 7:11 pm |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2iej53t8itusebjd70dntn53o6jes73hcq@
4ax.com
[snip]
> XXXX me stiff whatever anyone post here you are screaming
> spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
> change of nappy would help you .
Ah, foul language. Now I understand your true level. Grow up.
Ivor
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-27, 7:11 pm |
| On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:33:09 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
><mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2iej53t8itusebjd70dntn53o6jes73hcq@
4ax.com
>
>[snip]
>
>
>Ah, foul language. Now I understand your true level. Grow up.
Ah now I understand why clavox loves to have a go at you every time he
gets the chance if all subscribers to this forum took the same
attitude towards you there my be a chance that you could just XXXX
OFF .
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-27, 7:11 pm |
|
<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rqjj53l6hj4p248h4nh61ng16ibhrmomi9@
4ax.com
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:33:09 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Ah now I understand why clavox loves to have a go at you
> every time he gets the chance if all subscribers to this
> forum took the same attitude towards you there my be a
> chance that you could just XXXX OFF .
Not a chance. And this still isn't a forum.
Grow up and stop swearing. People with intelligence don't need to swear to
make their point.
Ivor
| |
| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-05-27, 7:11 pm |
| On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:47:38 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>Not a chance. And this still isn't a forum.
It IS a forum and other people say it IS a forum also
>Grow up and stop swearing.
Just who gave you the right to tell others what to do Ivor
if I or anyone else wants to swear here or anywhere else
they will and you will not stop them now FOAD .
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-27, 7:11 pm |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ljoj53hoc1qoc58f2ir89t26hn3hbs5lt8@
4ax.com
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:47:38 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> It IS a forum and other people say it IS a forum also
They are wrong.
> Just who gave you the right to tell others what to do Ivor
> if I or anyone else wants to swear here or anywhere else
> they will and you will not stop them now FOAD .
Ah, so you can tell me what to do but not the other way around.
Right.
Why do you feel it necessary to swear, anyway..? An intelligent person
doesn't need to.
Ivor
| |
| Elia Finotti 2007-05-28, 7:11 am |
| "SBS" <no.spam@me> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:4658d863$0$4785$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it...
>
> Hi man, are you here on holiday? ;-)
Hi,
yes, virtual vacations ;-P
| |
| Chris Hopley 2007-05-28, 7:11 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise anyone or anything.
> Even if I was, this isn't a forum, but we've already had this discussion.
Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all things voip, etc., you
are wrong on this one. A forum is any place where things can be
discussed, not just a "bulletin board" type website. Live long and
prosper, but stick to voip not linguistics.
http://www.answers.com/forum&r=67
fo·rum (fôr'əm, fōr'-)
n., pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə).
1.
1. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city
that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
2. A public meeting place for open discussion.
3. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a
newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
2. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually
among experts and often including audience participation.
3. A court of law; a tribunal.
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-28, 7:11 pm |
|
"Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
message news:81ac9$465b5815$9163a40a$6378@news2.tudelft.nl
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all things
> voip, etc., you are wrong on this one. A forum is any
> place where things can be discussed, not just a "bulletin
> board" type website. Live long and prosper, but stick to
> voip not linguistics.
As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am *not* wrong. We are
talking about *Usenet* convention and not dictionary definition.
Usenet is a platform where groups are hosted in multiple locations using
nntp format. Forums are web based, hosted in a single location using http
access.
*That* is the definition I apply and the only one I recognise.
Take it or leave it, I do not propose to discuss it further here, it has
already been done to death elsewhere.
Ivor
| |
| Peter Watson 2007-05-28, 7:11 pm |
| Mike the unimaginative wrote:
> Ahh so someone has to listen to an advert before the call is connected
> methinks - OK it's a business model, not one I'd go for, but it's an
> approach.
>
> What I don't want is : resellers, spam (ignoring what has been said
> before), poor call quality, obscure call pricing plans, hard-to-get out
> of contracts.
> What I do want is : one-off payments (rather than monthly charges) for
> things like geo numbers; a choice of number; settable outgoing CLID;
> simple (yes *simple*) setting instructions for my ATA (and his, and his,
> and hers);veiwable on-line call cost records.
> What I'd like is : a second tier service that I can ignore if I want to
> that includes the bells & whistles that 'professional users' might want
> - that might even extend to voicemail.
>
> What I think I'm describing is mostly Sipgate with a bit of Voip.co.uk
> thrown in.
>
The one thing that puts me off going fully VOIP (I use voip.co.uk for
outgoing calls and BT for incoming) is ownership of any allocated
geographic number and the 'permanence' of the VOIP provider. Like many
people I suspect, my telephone number is widely known and therefore more
important to me than the telco providing it. I could port my current BT
number to voip.co.uk but what would happen if they went bust? I
suspect that the number would automatically revert back to BT's pool and
I would have no claim over it. Equally I could choose to publicise my
voip.co.uk number(s) and then I'd almost definitely lose them.
In an ideal world I would 'own' the number and then choose a telco to
provide service...
| |
| Chris Hopley 2007-05-28, 7:11 pm |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
> message news:81ac9$465b5815$9163a40a$6378@news2.tudelft.nl
>
> As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am *not* wrong. We are
> talking about *Usenet* convention and not dictionary definition.
Fortunately I don't frequent those nauseatic places.
> Usenet is a platform where groups are hosted in multiple locations using
> nntp format. Forums are web based, hosted in a single location using http
> access.
>
> *That* is the definition I apply and the only one I recognise.
You cannot define human interaction in terms of the technology that
facilitates that interaction.
> Take it or leave it, I do not propose to discuss it further here, it has
> already been done to death elsewhere.
We can all play that game, Ivor:
'I see it now,' Alice remarked thoughtfully: 'and what are "toves"?'
'Well, "toves" are something like badgers - they're something like
lizards - and they're something like corkscrews.'
'They must be very curious-looking creatures.'
'They are that,' said Humpty Dumpty: 'also they make their nests under
sundials - also they live on cheese.'
From Through The Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-28, 7:11 pm |
|
"Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
message news:85709$465b6020$9163a40a$9137@news2.tudelft.nl
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> Fortunately I don't frequent those nauseatic places.
You're in one.
>
> You cannot define human interaction in terms of the
> technology that facilitates that interaction.
In this instance, I can.
>
> We can all play that game, Ivor:
[snip]
Irrelevant. This is a newsgroup, not a forum.
As I said, take it or leave it.
Ivor
| |
| Chris Hopley 2007-05-29, 1:11 am |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
> message news:85709$465b6020$9163a40a$9137@news2.tudelft.nl
>
> You're in one.
Lame.
>
> In this instance, I can.
Pray tell. How?
So you can't even be bothered to repost established "truths"? Not even
links to conclusive arguments. That's really lame, Ivor.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> [snip]
>
> Irrelevant. This is a newsgroup, not a forum.
Not so x2. Post only news instead of discussing, unless you want to be
guilty of the "crime" you accuse others of!!!!!!
> As I said, take it or leave it.
Or else? Don't tell me: plonk! What have you got left when you plonk
everyone in "your" newsgroup just because they don't adhere to the same
definition of newsgroup and forum as you?
Ivor, accept modern life: you can cause a newsgroup to be established,
but you don't own it and you can't control it.
I'm sure you're a really nice guy otherwise, and I salute you.
Cordial greetings,
Chris
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-29, 7:11 am |
|
"Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
message news:64c04$465b71c8$9163a40a$20064@news1
.tudelft.nl
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> Lame.
Possibly, but true nonetheless.
>
> Pray tell. How?
I just have. Lame..? Perhaps, but still true.
>
> So you can't even be bothered to repost established
> "truths"? Not even links to conclusive arguments. That's
> really lame, Ivor.
It's already been done to death before. Repeating it is a waste of my time
as well as yours. It's all there if you care to find it and read it.
>
> Not so x2. Post only news instead of discussing, unless
> you want to be guilty of the "crime" you accuse others
> of!!!!!!
I'm not accusing anybody of anything. I am merely stating a fact.
>
> Or else? Don't tell me: plonk! What have you got left
> when you plonk everyone in "your" newsgroup just because
> they don't adhere to the same definition of newsgroup and
> forum as you?
Who said I was going to do that..? Do you want me to..? Why don't you
"plonk" me, then you won't have to listen.
> Ivor, accept modern life: you can cause a newsgroup to be
> established, but you don't own it and you can't control
> it.
True. But it's still a *newsgroup* and not a forum.
> I'm sure you're a really nice guy otherwise, and I salute
> you.
Or I could be an absolute bastard. It's totally irrelevant in this matter.
In any case, I'll be here long after you and everyone else has given up
trying to redefine this *group* so you might as well accept it now.
Ivor
| |
| Desk Rabbit 2007-05-29, 7:11 am |
| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnf5e52p.p8d.paul@challenger.my.home
>
> Right. The part of your sentence above "whoever they are" says it all to
> me. If they were a reputable organisation they wouldn't hide.
>
> Ivor
>
>
I'm a reputable organisation but I don't display my company information
on every post I make. Neither do I display a valid email address.
Therefore by your definition Ivor, every message I post is spam.
| |
| Ivor Jones 2007-05-29, 1:11 pm |
| "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:voadnVJ6BMvumcHbnZ2dneKdnZzinZ2d@pi
pex.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
[snip]
>
> I'm a reputable organisation but I don't display my
> company information on every post I make. Neither do I
> display a valid email address. Therefore by your
> definition Ivor, every message I post is spam.
Not at all. However if you were to try and advertise your business here,
that would be spam.
Ivor
| |
| NicHughes 2007-05-29, 1:11 pm |
| On 28 May, 23:42, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am *not* wrong. We are
> talking about *Usenet* convention and not dictionary definition.
>
And as has already been posted on this thread the definition of spam
on usenet is well established and the OP was not spam by that
definition.
--
Nic
| |
| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-05-29, 7:11 pm |
| On Tue, 29 May 2007 00:10:33 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wro | |