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| If I posted the eBay link to my DualPhone 3088 on here? I'm not using
Skype now, so I'm flogging the phone...
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Abo
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| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-08-09, 1:11 pm |
| On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:37:13 +0100, Abo <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>If I posted the eBay link to my DualPhone 3088 on here? I'm not using
>Skype now, so I'm flogging the phone...
Don't ask just do it there will only be Ivor who will object and he
just does not matter .
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| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-08-09, 1:11 pm |
| On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:59:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/newtoe...net-policy.html
>
>and the group charter
Like I have said many times Ivor STUFF YOUR CHARTER it means NOTHING
anyone can totally ignore the rubbish it contains and you can do
absolutely nothing about it and neither can anyone else for that
matter.
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| Abo laid this down on his screen :
> If I posted the eBay link to my DualPhone 3088 on here? I'm not using Skype
> now, so I'm flogging the phone...
AFAICT, it would not be acceptible to advertise a specific sale.
On the other hand, Ivor tells me that you could link to your (ebay)
shop by way of the url in your signature, presumably as long as you
don't draw any attention to a specific item or product range in your
post. (that's assuming it's not against Ebay's policy to do so)
Also, if I understand correctly, someone who doesn't benefit from an
advertisement could post details of a sale that they have happened
across - in the same way that many regulars here point people to
specific manufacturers, or suppliers.
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| Abo wrote:
> If I posted the eBay link to my DualPhone 3088 on here? I'm not using
> Skype now, so I'm flogging the phone...
You could ROT13 the URL, post it, then someone who isn't you could un-rot it
and post it. However, I really don't think posting a link to it here is
going to benefit you, as most people in this froup are knowledgeable enough
to avoid Skype :-)
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-09, 7:11 pm |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
> news:f9f8qc$d6q$1@news.albasani.net
>
> Suggest you read eBay's regulations:
>
> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/newtoe...net-policy.html
>
> and the group charter
>
> http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.telecom...uk.telecom.voip
>
>
> Ivor
What conclusion is he supposed to come to by so doing?
The Ebay reference says, in effect, not to do anything which violates
senet - Ebay itself doesn't *care*.
The charter says that advertising is forbidden but that URLs for appropriate
commercial sites etc. may appear in signatures. So all the OP needs to do to
be squeaky clean is to stick the URL of his Ebay sale in his signature.
Having said that, it is extremely moot whether embedding a URL of an Ebay
item in the body of a message actually constitutes advertising. I personally
don't think it does - and I would just do it.
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| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-08-09, 7:11 pm |
| On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:14:14 +0100, "Roger Mills"
<watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote:
>What conclusion is he supposed to come to by so doing?
Ivor is a nosy busybody who thinks he owns this particular group
and who just loves to preach on and on about group charters and
spammers oh I forgot and Sipgate of course and God help anyone who
disobeys his orders perhaps .
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-10, 1:11 am |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: : On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:14:14 +0100, "Roger Mills"
: : <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote:
: :
: :
: : : What conclusion is he supposed to come to by so doing?
: : Ivor is a nosy busybody who thinks he owns this
: : particular group and who just loves to preach on and on
: : about group charters and spammers oh I forgot and
: : Sipgate of course and God help anyone who disobeys his
: : orders perhaps .
Give it up Ron, nobody here takes any notice of you any more.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-10, 1:11 am |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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4ax.com
: : On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:59:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: :
: : : http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/newtoe...net-policy.html
: : :
: : : and the group charter
: :
: : Like I have said many times Ivor STUFF YOUR CHARTER it
: : means NOTHING anyone can totally ignore the rubbish it
: : contains and you can do absolutely nothing about it and
: : neither can anyone else for that matter.
Yes Ron. Anything you say Ron. Go away Ron.
Ivor
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| >>What conclusion is he supposed to come to by so doing?
> Ivor is a nosy busybody who thinks he owns this particular group
> and who just loves to preach on and on about group charters and
> spammers oh I forgot and Sipgate of course and God help anyone who
> disobeys his orders perhaps .
Here here. If you hang around here long enough (an hour should do it) you
will come to know that Ivor is just an annoying busybody who constantly
sticks his oar in where it isn't welcome. Just ignore him.
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| George Orwell 2007-08-10, 7:11 am |
| >>>What conclusion is he supposed to come to by so doing?
>
>Here here. If you hang around here long enough (an hour should do it) you
>will come to know that Ivor is just an annoying busybody who constantly
>sticks his oar in where it isn't welcome. Just ignore him.
Are you Ron's brother?
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| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-08-10, 7:11 am |
| On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:35:11 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
<nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>Are you Ron's brother?
No he isn't he just another who thinks Ivor talks through his arse and
isn't frightened of saying so .
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-08-10, 1:11 pm |
| >>>What conclusion is he supposed to come to by so doing?
>
>Here here. If you hang around here long enough (an hour should do it) you
>will come to know that Ivor is just an annoying busybody who constantly
>sticks his oar in where it isn't welcome. Just ignore him.
Are you Ron's brother?
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| mymail@hotmail.com 2007-08-10, 7:11 pm |
| On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:40:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>Are you Ron's brother?
Oh do piss of .
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-11, 1:11 am |
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<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: : On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:40:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
: : <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
: :
: : : : : : What conclusion is he supposed to come to by so
: : : : : : doing?
: : : : : Ivor is a nosy busybody who thinks he owns this
: : : : : particular group and who just loves to preach on
: : : : : and on about group charters and spammers oh I
: : : : : forgot and Sipgate of course and God help anyone
: : : : : who disobeys his orders perhaps .
: : : :
: : : : Here here. If you hang around here long enough (an
: : : : hour should do it) you will come to know that Ivor
: : : : is just an annoying busybody who constantly sticks
: : : : his oar in where it isn't welcome. Just ignore
: : : : him.
: : :
: : : Are you Ron's brother?
: :
: : Oh do piss of .
If only you would (Spelling error ignored)
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
> news:f9f8qc$d6q$1@news.albasani.net : : If I posted the eBay link to my
> DualPhone 3088 on here?
> : : I'm not using Skype now, so I'm flogging the phone...
>
> Suggest you read eBay's regulations:
>
> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/newtoe...net-policy.html
>
> and the group charter
>
> http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.telecom...uk.telecom.voip
>
>
> Ivor
>
>
Ok, but I guess there'd be nothing against me saying 'my Dualphone 3088
is currently up on eBay' without posing a link, as interested parties
could search for 'Dualphone' on eBay and find the only second hand one.
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Abo
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| alexd wrote:
> Abo wrote:
>
>
> You could ROT13 the URL, post it, then someone who isn't you could un-rot it
> and post it. However, I really don't think posting a link to it here is
> going to benefit you, as most people in this froup are knowledgeable enough
> to avoid Skype :-)
>
Lol there is that
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Abo
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| Henry Hooray 2007-08-11, 7:11 am |
| <mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:59:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> Like I have said many times Ivor STUFF YOUR CHARTER it means NOTHING
> anyone can totally ignore the rubbish it contains and you can do
> absolutely nothing about it and neither can anyone else for that
> matter.
Ron, are you in favour of total freedom without any responsibility? Just
thought I'd ask.
Henry.
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| Harry Stottle 2007-08-11, 7:11 pm |
|
"Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
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>
> Ok, but I guess there'd be nothing against me saying 'my ********* is
> currently up on eBay' without posing a link, as interested parties
> could search for ******* on eBay and find the only second hand one.
>
It has now become an advert, which is against the charter of this group,
and in contravention of eBays t&c's. If reported to eBay, this could
result in the auction being withdrawn by eBay, along with a loss of fees
paid, and possible suspension of your eBay account.
Ebay UseNet Policy
eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups)
to advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates
the Usenet board policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to eBay, we may
among other remedies) remove the listing, issue a warning, temporarily
suspend or indefinitely suspend the offender's eBay account.
We have no tolerance for UseNet abuse and will take action as
appropriate. Please note that we can only take action in cases where it
is clear that an eBay member has posted to the Usenet inappropriately.
Usenet abuse should also be reported to your ISP (Internet Service
Provider) and the email provider of the person posting on the Usenet.
Both of these organizations are in a much better position to prevent
future Usenet abuse.
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/usenet_policy.html
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| Harry Stottle wrote:
> "Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
> news:f9jur5$9j0$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> It has now become an advert
Sorry but the statement is merely adding to the discussion. It is not an
advert. I guess an appropriate resonse from you would be 'no, it is not
acceptable for you to suggest people do a search on eBay for your
phone'. The phone might not even be up on ebay yet.
--
Abo
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| Harry Stottle 2007-08-13, 7:11 am |
|
"Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
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> Harry Stottle wrote:
>
> Sorry but the statement is merely adding to the discussion. It is not
> an advert. I guess an appropriate resonse from you would be 'no, it is
> not acceptable for you to suggest people do a search on eBay for your
> phone'. The phone might not even be up on ebay yet.
>
Typical spammer, prepared to argue that black is white, but not prepared
to accept any advice, or criticism of their inappropriate behaviour. It
was an advert for an eBay item, and as you clearly stated that it was
"currently up on eBay", and if someone searched for it on eBay, it was
"the only second hand one", so obviously, the phone would have been on
eBay when you made that statement.
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| {{{{{Welcome}}}}} 2007-08-13, 7:11 am |
| sean wrote:
>
> Here here. If you hang around here long enough (an hour should do
> it) you will come to know that Ivor is just an annoying busybody who
> constantly sticks his oar in where it isn't welcome. Just ignore him.
Come on, you know that isn't true.
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-13, 1:11 pm |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
>
> Typical spammer, prepared to argue that black is white, but not
> prepared to accept any advice, or criticism of their inappropriate
> behaviour. It was an advert for an eBay item, and as you clearly
> stated that it was "currently up on eBay", and if someone searched
> for it on eBay, it was "the only second hand one", so obviously, the
> phone would have been on eBay when you made that statement.
So how do you define 'advert'? I would expect an advert to include a
description of the product, a price, and contact details of the seller.
In that case, posting an indication here that such an advert exists on
Ebay - even including the Ebay URL - doesn't in my view constitute an advert
per se - since you have to follow the link to get to the *actual* advert. In
what way is it any different from putting commercial URLs in your
signature - which people are free to follow if they wish, but can equally
choose not to?
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Cheers,
Roger
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| Harry Stottle 2007-08-13, 1:11 pm |
|
"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5ib4vcF3ojcmtU1@mid.individual.net...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
>
>
> So how do you define 'advert'? I would expect an advert to include a
> description of the product, a price, and contact details of the
> seller.
>
As Roger Mills and Abo appear to be the same person, I refer you to the
paragraph above your latest comment, I am certainly not going to argue
with the same person using different identities.
You have previously asked for, and received, some very detailed advice
from members of this group when you have posted under the name of Roger
Mills, but now you want to treat those same members with contempt by not
accepting the group's charter, and also try and deceive them by
pretending to be someone else whilst advertising in the group.
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-13, 7:11 pm |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ib4vcF3ojcmtU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> As Roger Mills and Abo appear to be the same person, I refer you to
> the paragraph above your latest comment, I am certainly not going to
> argue with the same person using different identities.
>
> You have previously asked for, and received, some very detailed advice
> from members of this group when you have posted under the name of
> Roger Mills, but now you want to treat those same members with
> contempt by not accepting the group's charter, and also try and
> deceive them by pretending to be someone else whilst advertising in
> the group.
What in the hell are you on about?! I don't know Abo from Adam - or
Aristotle for that matter!
He/she asked a question. I provided a common-sense answer devoid of
nit-picking legalese and without trying to make charters cover something
they're not intended to cover.
I am personally not selling anything on Ebay - but if someone else *is*
selling something relevant to this NG and wishes to draw attention to it
here, then good luck to them.
And before you accuse me of being someone else again, you'd better find some
evidence - which will be difficult because there isn't any!
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Cheers,
Roger
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| Harry Stottle 2007-08-14, 1:11 am |
|
"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5ic1v2F3ouhitU1@mid.individual.net...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
>
>
> What in the hell are you on about?! I don't know Abo from Adam - or
> Aristotle for that matter!
>
> He/she asked a question. I provided a common-sense answer devoid of
> nit-picking legalese and without trying to make charters cover
> something they're not intended to cover.
>
> I am personally not selling anything on Ebay - but if someone else
> *is* selling something relevant to this NG and wishes to draw
> attention to it here, then good luck to them.
>
> And before you accuse me of being someone else again, you'd better
> find some evidence - which will be difficult because there isn't any!
>
I apologise for my assumption that you and Abo are the same person,
which was based on weak similarities, and I should have checked more
closely. I still think Abo was in the wrong posting an advert in this
group, thinly disguised as a request for guidance, and it was his
cavalier attitude to the reply given by Ivor Jones that made it worse,
in my opinion.
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-14, 7:11 am |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ic1v2F3ouhitU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> I apologise for my assumption that you and Abo are the same person,
> which was based on weak similarities, and I should have checked more
> closely. I still think Abo was in the wrong posting an advert in this
> group, thinly disguised as a request for guidance, and it was his
> cavalier attitude to the reply given by Ivor Jones that made it worse,
> in my opinion.
Apology accepted.
As far as I can see - having re-read the whole thread - Abo has only posted
4 times in the thread, and at no time has his/her actual advert appeared -
(s)he's presumably still trying to weigh up the answers received!
--
Cheers,
Roger
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| Harry Stottle 2007-08-14, 1:11 pm |
|
"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> As far as I can see - having re-read the whole thread - Abo has only
> posted 4 times in the thread, and at no time has his/her actual advert
> appeared - (s)he's presumably still trying to weigh up the answers
> received!
>
I don't think we are going to agree on this, but if you have a look at
the original post it stated that the item was for sale, it contained
details of the item, and also details of where to purchase that item
from, which to me is as much of an advert as a page in a newspaper
saying, 'Buy Heinz baked beans at Tesco'.
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-14, 1:11 pm |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5idhtnF3n1kd2U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> I don't think we are going to agree on this, but if you have a look at
> the original post it stated that the item was for sale, it contained
> details of the item, and also details of where to purchase that item
> from, which to me is as much of an advert as a page in a newspaper
> saying, 'Buy Heinz baked beans at Tesco'.
You're right - we're not going to agree!
What he did in effect was to say that somewhere or other there is a can of
baked beans lurking at Tescos, and to ask whether it's ok to post details of
which branch it's at. That's hardly an advert!
I've just had a look on Ebay, and there are quite a few matching items - and
you would need to click on each one to find the one offered by 'Abo' - and
even then, you'd only find it if the poster used the same or similar usenet
and Ebay IDs.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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|
| Harry Stottle wrote:
> Typical spammer, prepared to argue that black is white, but not prepared
> to accept any advice, or criticism of their inappropriate behaviour. It
> was an advert for an eBay item, and as you clearly stated that it was
> "currently up on eBay", and if someone searched for it on eBay, it was
> "the only second hand one", so obviously, the phone would have been on
> eBay when you made that statement.
No it doesn't! I could say 'would it be ok to post something like "my
Chevy Impala is currently on eBay, it's the only one with the blower"';
it's a hypothetical question...
--
Abo
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| Henry Hooray 2007-08-16, 7:11 am |
| "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5ie3k5F3kjhblU1@mid.individual.net...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
>
>
> You're right - we're not going to agree!
>
> What he did in effect was to say that somewhere or other there is a can of
> baked beans lurking at Tescos, and to ask whether it's ok to post details
> of which branch it's at. That's hardly an advert!
If the poster potentially stands to benefit in any way (including goodwill),
now or in the future, then yes, it's obviously an advert. If he, his
friends, his family and so on don't benefit in any way, shape or form, then
it's probably not an advert.
Henry.
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-16, 7:11 am |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> If the poster potentially stands to benefit in any way (including
> goodwill), now or in the future, then yes, it's obviously an advert.
> If he, his friends, his family and so on don't benefit in any way,
> shape or form, then it's probably not an advert.
>
Since when has that been the definition of an advert?
So if I ask a question here, and hope that my family will benefit from the
answer (e.g. by being able to sort out a VoIP problem), that makes my
question an advert?
Cobblers! The whole point of usenet is that we *all* benefit from the
exchange of ideas and information.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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| Henry Hooray 2007-08-16, 7:11 pm |
| "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Since when has that been the definition of an advert?
So you disagree. That's Ok.
> So if I ask a question here, and hope that my family will benefit from the
> answer (e.g. by being able to sort out a VoIP problem), that makes my
> question an advert?
My apologies. I would have thought it was obvious that I referred to
information provided as a seller, not requested as a buyer. Sorry.
> Cobblers! The whole point of usenet is that we *all* benefit from the
> exchange of ideas and information.
Yes. Oh, by the way: anybody here wanting to buy an old computer?
Henry.
> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-16, 7:11 pm |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> My apologies. I would have thought it was obvious that I referred to
> information provided as a seller, not requested as a buyer. Sorry.
>
Your actual words were: "If the poster potentially stands to benefit in
*any* way . . . "
Where does that say anything about selling - *or* buying for that matter?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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| Henry Hooray 2007-08-16, 7:11 pm |
| "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5iju86F3qfnp0U1@mid.individual.net...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> Your actual words were: "If the poster potentially stands to benefit in
> *any* way . . . "
>
> Where does that say anything about selling - *or* buying for that matter?
You're absolutely correct, Roger. How silly of me - thinking that
advertising largely related to selling or benefits connected with promoting,
rather than asking for advice (and I'm sure pedantics can find much more to
about this, if they haven't got anything better to do). Next time I must
remember to spell this out in immense detail, because this kind of confusion
can apparently arise very easily indeed.
Over and out.
Henry.
> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-17, 7:11 am |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> You're absolutely correct, Roger. How silly of me - thinking that
> advertising largely related to selling or benefits connected with
> promoting, rather than asking for advice (and I'm sure pedantics can
> find much more to about this, if they haven't got anything better to
> do). Next time I must remember to spell this out in immense detail,
> because this kind of confusion can apparently arise very easily
> indeed.
Call it pedantic if you like - but it pales into insignificance compared
with the pedantry of those who invoke charters to accuse someone of
advertising simply because he/she asked whether it was acceptable to post a
link to an Ebay sale!
Surely the Thought Police have better things to do with their time?!
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Cheers,
Roger
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-17, 7:11 am |
| "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
: : Call it pedantic if you like - but it pales into
: : insignificance compared with the pedantry of those who
: : invoke charters to accuse someone of advertising simply
: : because he/she asked whether it was acceptable to post
: : a link to an Ebay sale!
I suggest you read my original reply to the OP again.
I merely pointed the OP to the charter and to eBay's rules both of which
state clearly it is not acceptable. How is that pedantry..?
Ivor
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| Roger Mills 2007-08-17, 7:11 pm |
| In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5il4ntF3pfjlqU1@mid.individual.net
>
> [snip]
>
>
> I suggest you read my original reply to the OP again.
>
> I merely pointed the OP to the charter and to eBay's rules both of
> which state clearly it is not acceptable. How is that pedantry..?
>
>
> Ivor
I'm far from convinced that either of them *do* say that what the OP wanted
to do was unacceptable. Even if you *can* interpret them to say that, it's
using a sledge hammer to crack a nut if you invoke rules which are designed
to prevent blatent commercialism and apply them to someone who simply wants
to draw attention to a one-off private sale.
Far too many column inches have been wasted on a subject which is trivial,
and really doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-18, 1:11 am |
| "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5imjdoF3oscfoU1@mid.individual.net
: : In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
: : Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
: : : I suggest you read my original reply to the OP again.
: : :
: : : I merely pointed the OP to the charter and to eBay's
: : : rules both of which state clearly it is not
: : : acceptable. How is that pedantry..?
: :
: : I'm far from convinced that either of them *do* say
: : that what the OP wanted to do was unacceptable.
The charter quite clearly prohibits advertising. A message pointing to a
website containing that advert must be considered part of it.
eBay also quite clearly state that Usenet must not be used as a means of
promoting an auction/sale.
It seems perfectly clear to me.
: : Even if
: : you *can* interpret them to say that, it's using a
: : sledge hammer to crack a nut if you invoke rules which
: : are designed to prevent blatent commercialism and apply
: : them to someone who simply wants to draw attention to a
: : one-off private sale.
A one off private sale is still a sale.
: : Far too many column inches have been wasted on a
: : subject which is trivial, and really doesn't matter in
: : the overall scheme of things.
To you.
Ivor
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| mymail@hotmail.co.uk 2007-08-18, 7:11 am |
| On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:52:20 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>The charter quite clearly prohibits advertising. A message pointing to a
>website containing that advert must be considered part of it.
But who gives a monkeys about your precious charter except yourself
Ivor ? stuff it theirs a good chap .
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<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> But who gives a monkeys about your precious charter except yourself
> Ivor ? stuff it theirs a good chap .
Using your logic, why should anyone give a monkeys if a gang of drunken yobs
set upon you at your front door one night?
Rob
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-20, 1:11 pm |
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<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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: : On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:52:20 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: :
: : : The charter quite clearly prohibits advertising. A
: : : message pointing to a website containing that advert
: : : must be considered part of it.
: :
: : But who gives a monkeys about your precious charter
: : except yourself Ivor ? stuff it theirs a good chap .
I tell you what, Ron - I'll "stuff it" as you so delicately put it when
you stop rubbishing Sipgate at every possible opportunity.
There's a good chap.
Ivor
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-20, 1:11 pm |
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"Rob" <nobody@this.place.invalid> wrote in message
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: : <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
: : news:nvhdc3hegd6mvuf6qgdqk9ndmpo0vu15om@
4ax.com...
: : :
: : : But who gives a monkeys about your precious charter
: : : except yourself Ivor ? stuff it theirs a good chap .
: :
: : Using your logic, why should anyone give a monkeys if a
: : gang of drunken yobs set upon you at your front door
: : one night?
Anyone know any obliging drunken yobs..?
Ivor
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> Anyone know any obliging drunken yobs..?
Well, if the beers are on you.....
Rob
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| Ivor Jones 2007-08-20, 7:11 pm |
| "Rob" <nobody@this.place.invalid> wrote in message
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: : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
: : news:5itul4F3qd6lsU1@mid.individual.net...
: : :
: : : Anyone know any obliging drunken yobs..?
: :
: : Well, if the beers are on you.....
: :
: : Rob
Don't tempt me....!
Ivor
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