Voice Over IP in UK - FritzBox telephone tones?

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FritzBox telephone tones?

T i m

2007-09-13, 7:11 pm

Hi All,

Our daughter has just tried to dial out through our FritzBox > Sipgate
(333 free mins) but the handset (Fon2) just beeps 3 tones, gap, 3
tones gap? Same on my handset / account (Fon1) with credit.

I can't find any mention of tone combinations in the manual so just
tried setting up a short code and that dials out ok, as does using the
*12x#<number> format.

I thought we concluded that the FritzBox would 'assume' the first
account for use of Fon1 and the second for Fon2 (so you didn't have to
do the *121' or *122# bit) for outgoing calls and that it worked the
other day but now it doesn't?

Has something changed out there or are we just doing something wrong
please?

All the best ..

T i m

R. Mark Clayton

2007-09-13, 7:11 pm

T i m

2007-09-14, 7:11 am

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:13:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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>
>3 rising tones? Means recorded announcement, but you obviously aren't
>getting what follows. Ususally indicates a technical problem.

Hmm, I've just got said (musician) daughter to listen to the dial
tones again and they are straight flat 'tones / beeps' and there are 3
tones then 3 'gaps' (so a count of 6 etc)? This happens on both lines.

Pick up the DECT phone, press the online button, get the tones?

As I said, it all seems to still work and these could well be the std
dial tone noises that we hadn't taken any notice of before (but don't
think that was the case).

We can dial out using the quick dial (**7xx).
We can dial out using the *121#<number>

But we can't seem to dial straight out like I *think* we did at least
once (after Ivors advice that by default Fon1 will use SIP account 1
etc).

All the best ..

T i m

Brian A

2007-09-14, 7:11 am

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:13:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:

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>
>3 rising tones? Means recorded announcement, but you obviously aren't
>getting what follows. Ususally indicates a technical problem.
>
>I first encountered them in France in 1982 (with yank announcements on ITD).
>
>More common in the EU and rather rare in the UK.
This could be as explained but have you set the Fritzbox regional
settings, to the UK, in settings/telephony/regional settings ?

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2007-09-14, 7:11 am

"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:13:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
> <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hmm, I've just got said (musician) daughter to listen to the dial
> tones again and they are straight flat 'tones / beeps' and there are 3
> tones then 3 'gaps' (so a count of 6 etc)? This happens on both lines.
>
> Pick up the DECT phone, press the online button, get the tones?
>
> As I said, it all seems to still work and these could well be the std
> dial tone noises that we hadn't taken any notice of before (but don't
> think that was the case).
>
> We can dial out using the quick dial (**7xx).
> We can dial out using the *121#<number>
>
> But we can't seem to dial straight out like I *think* we did at least
> once (after Ivors advice that by default Fon1 will use SIP account 1
> etc).
>
> All the best ..
>
> T i m

Google for "call progress tones".

Philippe Deleye

2007-09-14, 1:11 pm

"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> Our daughter has just tried to dial out through our FritzBox > Sipgate
> (333 free mins) but the handset (Fon2) just beeps 3 tones, gap, 3
> tones gap? Same on my handset / account (Fon1) with credit.
>
> I can't find any mention of tone combinations in the manual so just
> tried setting up a short code and that dials out ok, as does using the
> *12x#<number> format.

You have not configered your FrtitzBox to auto dial outside line.
This has to be configuered for each of your analogue lines.
Therefore, the tone you hear is the *internal* dial tone.
This explains why you can use short codes and the *12x#<number> format.

Your problem will be solved either
- by dialing "0" for outside line, then dial your outgoing number, or
- by configuring FB to autodial outside line

To test my assumption, just dial "2" with line 1: analogue phone 2 will ring
Or dial "1" with the 2nd line ....

In case the FB is configured for direct outside line, you can swich back to
the internal dial tone, either
- by dialing ** (dial **1 to make internal connection with line 1) or
- by pressing "R" button on your phone (flash)

> I thought we concluded that the FritzBox would 'assume' the first
> account for use of Fon1 and the second for Fon2 (so you didn't have to
> do the *121' or *122# bit) for outgoing calls and that it worked the
> other day but now it doesn't?

This assumption is wrong, but you can configure your FritzBox to make above
happening
You need to configure line 1 to pick the 1st VOIP account by default
You need to configure line 2 to pick the 2nd VOIP account by default
If you have connected a ISDN phone or PABX to your FB (internal S0) then the
outgoing MSN rules the VOIP account to be used

The default allocation of accounts to specific phone can be overwritten
either
- by setting rules in your dial plan (e.g. all numbers starting with
0800 go trough Sipgate), or
- by using the *12x#<number> format. The latter overrules alos the
dialing rules

Trust this helps
rgdd
Philippe (Belgium)

T i m

2007-09-14, 1:11 pm

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:28:25 GMT, Brian A
<no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:13:55 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
><nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
>This could be as explained but have you set the Fritzbox regional
>settings, to the UK, in settings/telephony/regional settings ?

Yep.

We don't have the FB plugged into the outside analogue line if that
makes any difference (ie, it's just for VoIP calls)?

All the best ..

T i m

T i m

2007-09-14, 7:11 pm

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:46:47 +0200, "Philippe Deleye"
<Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote:

>
>"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:ijuie3d9t7o5v647ies97vegqgea039ld7@
4ax.com...
>
>You have not configered your FrtitzBox to auto dial outside line.

Ah, ok ..

>This has to be configuered for each of your analogue lines.
>Therefore, the tone you hear is the *internal* dial tone.
>This explains why you can use short codes and the *12x#<number> format.
>
>Your problem will be solved either
> - by dialing "0" for outside line,
> then dial your outgoing number, or

I've just tried that .. nice .. ;-)

> - by configuring FB to autodial outside line

I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the
fields).
>
>To test my assumption, just dial "2" with line 1: analogue phone 2 will ring
>Or dial "1" with the 2nd line ....

Yep, that works as assumed ;-)
>
>In case the FB is configured for direct outside line, you can swich back to
>the internal dial tone, either
> - by dialing ** (dial **1 to make internal connection with line 1)

This works (well the dial tone changes to continuous bleeping (no 3 on
3 off pattern) but doesn't hold if you drop the line and pick it up
again?

or
> - by pressing "R" button on your phone (flash)

That doesn't seem to do anything?

I'm not sure what's configured in the FV as yet as I can't see where
to set it?
>
>
>This assumption is wrong, but you can configure your FritzBox to make above
>happening
>You need to configure line 1 to pick the 1st VOIP account by default
>You need to configure line 2 to pick the 2nd VOIP account by default

Ok, if by 'pickup' you are talking incoming calls Philippe then I have
done that and it works ok.

>If you have connected a ISDN phone or PABX to your FB (internal S0) then the
>outgoing MSN rules the VOIP account to be used

MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
unlikely).
>
>The default allocation of accounts to specific phone can be overwritten
>either
> - by setting rules in your dial plan (e.g. all numbers starting with
>0800 go trough Sipgate), or
> - by using the *12x#<number> format. The latter overrules alos the
>dialing rules

Hmmm, I'm not sure there is a configuration combination that would
work for us as we could both dial anything?

What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
number).

Fon1 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 1 and
always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber1> (*My* VoIP 'line')

Fon2 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 2 and
always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber2> (*Daughters* VoIP
'line')
>
>Trust this helps

I think it does Philippe .. !

All the best ..

T i m

[1] No access from FB to local PSTN

News Reader

2007-09-15, 7:11 pm

"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:46:47 +0200, "Philippe Deleye"
> <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote:
>
>
> Ah, ok ..
>
>
> I've just tried that .. nice .. ;-)
>
>
> I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the
> fields).
>
> Yep, that works as assumed ;-)
>
> This works (well the dial tone changes to continuous bleeping (no 3 on
> 3 off pattern) but doesn't hold if you drop the line and pick it up
> again?
>
> or
>
> That doesn't seem to do anything?
>
> I'm not sure what's configured in the FV as yet as I can't see where
> to set it?
>
> Ok, if by 'pickup' you are talking incoming calls Philippe then I have
> done that and it works ok.
>
>
> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
> unlikely).
>
> Hmmm, I'm not sure there is a configuration combination that would
> work for us as we could both dial anything?
>
> What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
> remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
> couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
> could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
> lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
> number).
>
> Fon1 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 1 and
> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber1> (*My* VoIP 'line')
>
> Fon2 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 2 and
> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber2> (*Daughters* VoIP
> 'line')
>
> I think it does Philippe .. !
>
> All the best ..
>
> T i m
>
> [1] No access from FB to local PSTN

Hi,

Sounds like you have a very good grasp of the overall ideas and concepts
Tim.

I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
seems to be almost infinitely flexible.

lol... I want one ! ;) .

Best wishes,

News Reader

P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .

Herman

2007-09-15, 7:11 pm

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> "T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Sounds like you have a very good grasp of the overall ideas and concepts
> Tim.
>
> I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
> seems to be almost infinitely flexible.
>
> lol... I want one ! ;) .
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> News Reader
>
>
> P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
> mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .

I actually think the Fritz is very intuitive (not difficult to learn), but
that means of course that it is less customisable. For example, dial plans
are a lot less fiddly than with other atas but you can't modify the
dialstring so I have taken to using Voxalot.

A good bit of kit nonetheless. The main thing going for it is that it just
works

News Reader

2007-09-15, 7:11 pm

"Herman" <whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> I actually think the Fritz is very intuitive (not difficult to learn), but
> that means of course that it is less customisable. For example, dial
> plans are a lot less fiddly than with other atas but you can't modify the
> dialstring so I have taken to using Voxalot.
>
> A good bit of kit nonetheless. The main thing going for it is that it
> just works
>

Hi,

Hmm... interesting Herman...

I was lead to believe that it was a very flexible piece of kit but rather
hard to configure as a result.... perhaps in the dial string area this is
not so true...

.... but with support for ADSL modem disabling, and switch port 1 enabling to
WAN access; and so many switchable options, etc.; I thought my view was more
accurate.

If what you suggest is more accurate then I may be all the more tempted -
although personally (, provided sufficient support - official and
unofficial, and documentation, etc.) I would prefer the maximally
configurable if a bit less user friendly (albeit ideally both user friendly
and highly flexible and configurable, etc.).

However, I think what you suggest probably depends on getting both a UK
rather than Deutsch / EU version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.

Maybe less easy going with one in German...

Perhaps you can make any suggestions concerning purchase of a German model
(which I understand are ISDN as standard) and use thereof in the UK with
PSTN and possibility of flashing to identical full UK language version, etc.
Also detailing any operational differences, caveats, etc. (particularly
vis-a-vis the flashing, German vs. English differences and ISDN vs. PSTN
phone ports and landline patch through connection, etc.).

- lol . Probably more than just a silly project idea ;) .

Best wishes,

News Reader

T i m

2007-09-16, 7:11 am

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:58:43 GMT, "News Reader" <no@email.invalid>
wrote:

>Sounds like you have a very good grasp of the overall ideas and concepts
>Tim.

Ok thanks, but as we know the devil is in the detail. ;-(

Much as though I've grown to like the FB I can remember very vividly
the issues I had setting it up, not something I've had with a router
for many years now. This was mainly down to (I believe) the box
origination from Germany where ISDN / ADSL is much more common and
cable (like mine) comparatively rare. This means to support the nearly
'undocumented' use of cable you have to do things with / to the router
to get it configured that you wouldn't normally. Then there was the
lack of help with the manual and much of the online help. That
reminded me of the sort of help you got with PC BIOS's:

"Differential oscillator write back speed.

<Help> This allows you to set the Differential oscillator write back
speed" (Yeah, I know, but wtf is it!).
>
>I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
>seems to be almost infinitely flexible.

Seems so so far, but again, much of that is knowing what you are
aiming for. When I first started installing ADSL routers the routers
were less 'friendly' and it seemed you had to set 100 fields just to
make them work (again, little was 'intuitive'). Soon you reaslised you
actually only had to set maybe 3 or 4 fields to make it actually
'work'. With the network side it's pretty straightforward with the FB
(cable accepting [1]) but many of the Fon settings interact, get one
field wrong and another 3 simply don't do anything.
>
>lol... I want one ! ;) .

Well as I said I think I'm getting more and more comfortable with mine
but really feel some of the documentation needs sorting to really help
those of us that want actual answers rather than just statements that
a field exists. It's not 'terrible' in this respect, just not 'good'
maybe?

I worked for BT for 5 years (although in Electronics / Datacomms
repair rather that telephony) and have been a basic networks engineer
for some time but until now haven't really come across VoIP outside of
configuring the mating ports on a pair of Muxes, or using Skype or
Teamspeak in online games etc. This means that the 'optionsl' of VoIP
(the way the different service providers do or don't interact, the
options on the kit / software) is as 'familiar' to me as Linux ..
(ie, it's ok when it works but when it doesn't I'm sorta lost).
>
>
>P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
>mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .

Yep and something once explained properly to me I'm pretty sure I will
'get' but at the moment I still feel very much in the dark with the
detail ..

All the best ..

T i m

[1] I fed-back to AVM that there was hardly a mention of the FB's
ability to be used over a cable modem. Not in the manual, help or
online. They agreed and gave me a voucher for 333 'minutes' but I'm
still not sure what that actually was as they all seem to have run out
and we have only used 10 of them (and it's only a couple of weeks
since we activated it). :-(

Philippe Deleye

2007-09-16, 7:11 am

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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> I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
> seems to be almost infinitely flexible.
>
> lol... I want one ! ;) .

Plenty for sale on e-bay.de (they go ca 60 EUR)
only two backsides if you buy 2nd hand German boxes:
1) all menus in german
2) ADSL is Annex B
Both for which (non-official) firmware fixes available ..

T i m

2007-09-16, 7:11 am

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:02:25 GMT, "Herman"
<whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>I actually think the Fritz is very intuitive (not difficult to learn), but
>that means of course that it is less customisable.

I agree for most of the more basic things but 1) not if you use cable
or 2) if you don't understand the less common terminology .. like:

" Perform ENUM requests yes / no.

(An ENUM request will be performed before the number is dialed. The
Internet number listed in the domain will then be used to dial the
number.)"

That doesn't explain much to me? :-(

Or something that I believe may impact us ..

"Enable automatic outside dialing
Connect to an outside line as soon as the headset is picked up.

(When this option is activated, it is no longer necessary to add the
prefix for outside line access ("0") when dialing outside numbers. You
hear a dialing tone immediately when you pick up the receiver.

When automatic outside dialing is enabled, you must first dial the "R"
button or hit the "*" key twice before dialing internal numbers.

When automatic outside dialing is not enabled, the extension functions
as a PBX line. When the receiver is picked up on the corresponding
extension, the PBX’s internal dial tone is heard. If you want to make
an external call, you must dial "0" before the number. Internal calls
are placed simply by dialing the internal number)."

Ok, I actually understand most of that but for example I am not clear
how any of that differs if you don't have an analogue external line?

Also, does using the 0 for outside like preclude the automatic use of
VoIP account1 for outgoing Fon1, account2 for Fon2 etc?

> For example, dial plans
>are a lot less fiddly than with other atas but you can't modify the
>dialstring so I have taken to using Voxalot.

Luckily at the moment I've not come across that so am innocent of the
'issues' ;-)
>
>A good bit of kit nonetheless. The main thing going for it is that it just
>works
>
Yep, and that feature that was right at the top of my wish list and so
far (touching wood) it's stayed there. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

Philippe Deleye

2007-09-16, 7:11 am

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> However, I think what you suggest probably depends on getting both a UK
> rather than Deutsch / EU version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.
>

There is one big misunderstanding about the German Fritzboxes beeing a "ISDN
Model"
Please note that all FritzBoxes work on both PSTN and ISDN
* all Boxes have a ISDN and analogue input. Therefore you can run them on
a ISDN line and/or a analogue line (even both, but this is an undocumented
feature)
* all Boxes have ISDN and analogue outputs (up to 3 analogue): you can
run analogue phones, ISDN phines or a ISDN PABX behind the FritzBox
Note that this even allows to run a ISDN PABX behind a analogue BT telephone
line.

However, all german boxes are set to ADSL "Annex B"
In Germany, all ADSL lines are "Annex B" (both ADSL over a analogue line, as
ADSL over a ISDN line)
In the UK (also Belgiu, Netherlands ...) the phone companies have decided to
use "Annex A" over analogue lines, and "Annex B" over ISDN lines.
Hence the big misunderstanding. Altough "Annex A" or "Annex B" have -
strictly spoken - nothing to do with analogue or ISDN, it is the way how BT
(and other European providers) operates ADSL.
Hence ADSL over a analogue line (Annex A) will not function on German boxes
(set to Annex B)

Please note that Annex A or B is completely irrelevant if you use the FB on
a existing internet connection (e.g. behind a cable modem, or as "client"
behind an existing router

Philippe (Belgium)

Philippe Deleye

2007-09-16, 7:11 am

"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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This tread strat to become rather long and complicated to answer the
different questions
Maybe just post a list with each of the questions you have, so that I can
(try) to answer them

> I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the fields)

Can't answer as I do not know the version of your FB, the Firmware - and I
don't know the English menus ;)
However you can activate this for each of the extensions, by using a
connected phone
set line 1 to automatic outside line: # 11*1*
set line 2 to automatic outside line: # 12*1*
etc
to revert:
set line 1 to internal dial tone: # 11*0*
set line 2 to internal dial tone: # 12*0*
etc
In all cases dial # 91 ** to save these new settings.

> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
> unlikely).

If your PABX can handle 2 incoming lines, It would make sense I think to
connect your Box between the BT line and your PABX. Then connect the 2
analogue lines from the FB to your PABX. This will make it possible for all
your PABX extensions to use VOIP and/or BT

However, you can also connect the to an extension of your PABX - as you do
now - and activate "call trough"
This makes it possible to make VOIP calls from your PABX, by dialing the
extension of your FB, hearing the FB dial tone and connect trough VOIP ...
And to make PSTN calls from your FB by dialing the prefix *11# (you will
hear the internal dial tone of your PABX)

> What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
> remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
> couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
> could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
> lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
> number).

Why not just try it?
I know Sipgate allows 1 account to be registered on different locations.
Each of the registered locations will ring, and the first one who picks up
the call will get the connection.
Therefore I'm convinced that you can register the same Sipgate account
twice. And use the same account simultaneously on 2 lines
(Why should they not allow this, it only increases their income if more
calls ...).

I know that Betamax (e.g. Voipcheap.com) allows the same account to be
registered multiple times
My Voipcheap account is registered 3 times in my FB (to allow different
outgoing CLIP to be displayed)

rgds
Philippe

Philippe Deleye

2007-09-16, 7:11 am

"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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> " Perform ENUM requests yes / no.
>
> (An ENUM request will be performed before the number is dialed. The
> Internet number listed in the domain will then be used to dial the
> number.)"
> That doesn't explain much to me? :-(

If you dial my phone number fro your FB, the call will not go trough your
VOIP provider (e.g. Sipgate), but your FB will make a direct connection with
my GritzBox (because my number is registered in ENUM)

> Also, does using the 0 for outside like preclude the automatic use of
> VoIP account1 for outgoing Fon1, account2 for Fon2 etc?

Not at all

T i m

2007-09-16, 7:11 am

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:02:36 +0200, "Philippe Deleye"
<Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote:

>
>"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:lcile3t6nnobvug7houbomq3i6qpib67of@
4ax.com...
>
>This tread strat to become rather long and complicated to answer the
>different questions
>Maybe just post a list with each of the questions you have, so that I can
>(try) to answer them

Ok, sorry about that Philippe. I guess it's because I'm unsure of what
fact might relate to another (and the/my questions change as different
people reply) so I put it all in! ;-)
>
>
>Can't answer as I do not know the version of your FB, the Firmware - and I
>don't know the English menus ;)

Ok, I think I've found that in:

Settings > Telephony > Extensions > Edit extension details > Extension
Properties > Enable automatic outside dialing (and it works).

>However you can activate this for each of the extensions, by using a
>connected phone
> set line 1 to automatic outside line: # 11*1*
> set line 2 to automatic outside line: # 12*1*
> etc
>to revert:
> set line 1 to internal dial tone: # 11*0*
> set line 2 to internal dial tone: # 12*0*
> etc
>In all cases dial # 91 ** to save these new settings.

Ah, I hadn't done that last bit and think I prefer to configure this
sort of thing via the PC if I can (then I can see what I'm doing etc).
>
>
>If your PABX can handle 2 incoming lines, It would make sense I think to
>connect your Box between the BT line and your PABX. Then connect the 2
>analogue lines from the FB to your PABX.

It can't (it's a 1x5) but as we only have one analogue line now ..

> This will make it possible for all
>your PABX extensions to use VOIP and/or BT

Yep, but with my setup only 1 call at a time?
>
>However, you can also connect the to an extension of your PABX - as you do
>now - and activate "call trough"
>This makes it possible to make VOIP calls from your PABX, by dialing the
>extension of your FB, hearing the FB dial tone and connect trough VOIP ...
>And to make PSTN calls from your FB by dialing the prefix *11# (you will
>hear the internal dial tone of your PABX)

I had to read that several times to get to grips with it! Clever
though. I did have the FB on an extension (no call through enabled)
but there seemed to be an issue with my PABX ringing the extensions
and the FB getting the ringing and passing it through. Our answering
machine (on the PaBX Ext1) has only got a short ring counter.
>
>
>Why not just try it?

Well, I suppose I could ..

>I know Sipgate allows 1 account to be registered on different locations.

But they would both respond to the same incoming call number I
suppose.

>Each of the registered locations will ring, and the first one who picks up
>the call will get the connection.

Understood ..

>Therefore I'm convinced that you can register the same Sipgate account
>twice. And use the same account simultaneously on 2 lines
>(Why should they not allow this, it only increases their income if more
>calls ...).

Hmm, I'm going to have to think about this ... so, I suppose what I
*need* is two different numbers for the purposes of incoming calls but
one account that can be used simultaneously (for simple billing)? I
assume a called number would get the number associated with the one
account if we did that though (CLI)?
>
>I know that Betamax (e.g. Voipcheap.com) allows the same account to be
>registered multiple times
>My Voipcheap account is registered 3 times in my FB (to allow different
>outgoing CLIP to be displayed)

Hmm ...

All the best ..

T i m

News Reader

2007-09-19, 1:11 pm

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
news:46ecf628$0$13849$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>
> "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
> news:lmZGi.709$aN2.455@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
> There is one big misunderstanding about the German Fritzboxes beeing a
> "ISDN
> Model"
> Please note that all FritzBoxes work on both PSTN and ISDN
> * all Boxes have a ISDN and analogue input. Therefore you can run them
> on
> a ISDN line and/or a analogue line (even both, but this is an undocumented
> feature)
> * all Boxes have ISDN and analogue outputs (up to 3 analogue): you can
> run analogue phones, ISDN phines or a ISDN PABX behind the FritzBox
> Note that this even allows to run a ISDN PABX behind a analogue BT
> telephone
> line.
>
> However, all german boxes are set to ADSL "Annex B"
> In Germany, all ADSL lines are "Annex B" (both ADSL over a analogue line,
> as
> ADSL over a ISDN line)
> In the UK (also Belgiu, Netherlands ...) the phone companies have decided
> to
> use "Annex A" over analogue lines, and "Annex B" over ISDN lines.
> Hence the big misunderstanding. Altough "Annex A" or "Annex B" have -
> strictly spoken - nothing to do with analogue or ISDN, it is the way how
> BT
> (and other European providers) operates ADSL.
> Hence ADSL over a analogue line (Annex A) will not function on German
> boxes
> (set to Annex B)
>
> Please note that Annex A or B is completely irrelevant if you use the FB
> on
> a existing internet connection (e.g. behind a cable modem, or as "client"
> behind an existing router
>
> Philippe (Belgium)
>
>

Hi,

Their was suddenly quite a barrage of detailed posts - has taken me a while
to get round to reviewing, etc.

I think the big questions for me are...

1) on a German model - will the ADSL not work in the UK?
2) can you flash a German model with English firmware so you can read the
menus, etc. (will this break some things?, etc.)
3) great that you can use any external line ISDN or POTS and likewise for
the attached phones
4) I think it sounds nice - assuming the bits about the firmware and
English, etc. - at the price these seem to be available from Germany, I
don't mind having to use it in Port 1 WAN mode and disable the internal ADSL
modem.

Think that was most of what I wanted to ask (I bet it is not - and I will
remember something else after this thread has finished... and you seem very
knowledgeable so... hmm - oh well if I have further questions I will
hopefully catch you another time

).

Best wishes and many thanks,

News Reader

P.s. Someone mentioned that if using the FB in port 1 WAN mode (ADSL modem
disabled) it behaves strangely or impacts other operating - can you comment
on any of this?
P.p.s. Can you enable / disable the routing function so it acts just as an
ATA through the WAN port 1? Also, is it a good router (DMZ, rules, stateful
packet inspection firewall, etc., etc.)? Thanks very much again and in
advance

Ivor Jones

2007-09-19, 1:11 pm

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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: : "Philippe Deleye"
: : <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in
: : message
: : news:46ecf628$0$13849$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
: : :
: : : "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
: : : news:lmZGi.709$aN2.455@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
: : : :
: : : : However, I think what you suggest probably depends
: : : : on getting both a UK rather than Deutsch / EU
: : : : version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.
: : : :
: : :
: : : There is one big misunderstanding about the German
: : : Fritzboxes beeing a "ISDN
: : : Model"
: : : Please note that all FritzBoxes work on both PSTN and
: : : ISDN * all Boxes have a ISDN and analogue input.
: : : Therefore you can run them
: : : on
: : : a ISDN line and/or a analogue line (even both, but
: : : this is an undocumented feature)
: : : * all Boxes have ISDN and analogue outputs (up to 3
: : : analogue): you can run analogue phones, ISDN phines
: : : or a ISDN PABX behind the FritzBox
: : : Note that this even allows to run a ISDN PABX behind
: : : a analogue BT telephone
: : : line.
: : :
: : : However, all german boxes are set to ADSL "Annex B"
: : : In Germany, all ADSL lines are "Annex B" (both ADSL
: : : over a analogue line, as
: : : ADSL over a ISDN line)
: : : In the UK (also Belgiu, Netherlands ...) the phone
: : : companies have decided to
: : : use "Annex A" over analogue lines, and "Annex B" over
: : : ISDN lines.
: : : Hence the big misunderstanding. Altough "Annex A" or
: : : "Annex B" have - strictly spoken - nothing to do with
: : : analogue or ISDN, it is the way how BT
: : : (and other European providers) operates ADSL.
: : : Hence ADSL over a analogue line (Annex A) will not
: : : function on German boxes
: : : (set to Annex B)
: : :
: : : Please note that Annex A or B is completely
: : : irrelevant if you use the FB on
: : : a existing internet connection (e.g. behind a cable
: : : modem, or as "client" behind an existing router
: : :
: : : Philippe (Belgium)
: : :
: : :
: :
: :
: : Hi,
: :
: :
: : Their was suddenly quite a barrage of detailed posts -
: : has taken me a while to get round to reviewing, etc.
: :
: : I think the big questions for me are...
: :
: : 1) on a German model - will the ADSL not work in the UK?

No. Germany uses Annex B, the UK Annex A.

: : 2) can you flash a German model with English firmware
: : so you can read the menus, etc. (will this break some
: : things?, etc.)

No and yes.

: : 3) great that you can use any external
: : line ISDN or POTS and likewise for the attached phones
: : 4) I think it sounds nice - assuming the bits about the
: : firmware and English, etc. - at the price these seem to
: : be available from Germany, I don't mind having to use
: : it in Port 1 WAN mode and disable the internal ADSL
: : modem.

What model do you want..? All except the 7170 are currently available in
Annex A and the 7170 should be soon, according to AVM.

Ivor

News Reader

2007-09-19, 1:11 pm

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
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>
> "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
> news:TPWGi.762$X%4.174@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>
>
> Plenty for sale on e-bay.de (they go ca 60 EUR)
> only two backsides if you buy 2nd hand German boxes:
> 1) all menus in german
> 2) ADSL is Annex B
> Both for which (non-official) firmware fixes available ..
>
>
>

Hi,

Thanks Philippe... that is very much appreciated. I have scanned a few ebay
auctions and certainly seem to have seen second hand units going for as low
as ~10 Euros.

As you say - those appeared to be the caveats...

My concerns were:

- unofficial firmware... will it get updates, will it have bugs, problems,
caveats, etc....
- ADSL annex B - don't mind this - can happily live with that if it is a
good router / ATA and no other caveats (e.g. unofficial firmware issues,
etc.) ( + see my previous post).

The only thing I would really want or need is English language...

But if the firmware options are good enough for English and Annex conversion
then great !

.

As I say my only concern is the support of said unofficial firmware's - are
they any good, will they be updated.... but to be fair ... they probably are
and usually tend to be (user community supported stuff tends to go on longer
and be better, more often than not, than official support, etc.).

Best wishes and any feedback / input appreciated,

News Reader

P.s. We can continue this discussion under the original (previous)
sub-thread if you like?

News Reader

2007-09-19, 1:11 pm

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
news:46ecff3d$0$13860$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>
> "T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:lcile3t6nnobvug7houbomq3i6qpib67of@
4ax.com...
>
> This tread strat to become rather long and complicated to answer the
> different questions

< SNIP >

>
> If your PABX can handle 2 incoming lines, It would make sense I think to
> connect your Box between the BT line and your PABX. Then connect the 2
> analogue lines from the FB to your PABX. This will make it possible for
> all
> your PABX extensions to use VOIP and/or BT
>
> However, you can also connect the to an extension of your PABX - as you do
> now - and activate "call trough"
> This makes it possible to make VOIP calls from your PABX, by dialing the
> extension of your FB, hearing the FB dial tone and connect trough VOIP ...
> And to make PSTN calls from your FB by dialing the prefix *11# (you will
> hear the internal dial tone of your PABX)
>

Hi,

Sorry to interject on this sub-thread and as you say Philippe, it is getting
a bit long and / or confused, etc. - but anyhow... last jump in on this
sub-thread for now(!), ...

Does the FB allow remote through dialling? E.g. At PC away from FB. Dial a
VoIP account registered with the FB, FB rings, FB then presents dialtone and
allows onward dialling through attached PSTN line?

Further, what signalling does it support for external line dialling? E.g. if
it was ISDN I expect it would provide full signalling - dialling, ringing,
answered, etc. How or what does it do if connected to a POTS line
(particularly in terms of call progress / status signalling, etc.)?

Thanks so much, best wishes and all your help is greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,

News Reader

P.s. On the multiple SIP accounts thing - I am pretty sure SipGate allow
multiple registrations, as Philippe suggests, at least from different
locations - hence multiple incoming ringing. As for outgoing I am not so
sure - but definitely some SIP providers do - again as Philippe states,
generally it makes sense for most SIP providers as it increases potential
revenue. Try it is probably the best plan

News Reader

2007-09-19, 1:11 pm

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
> news:MfcIi.32174$ka7.28735@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net
> : : "Philippe Deleye"
> : : <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in
> : : message
> : : news:46ecf628$0$13849$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
> : : :
> : : : "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
> : : : news:lmZGi.709$aN2.455@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> : : : :
> : : : : However, I think what you suggest probably depends
> : : : : on getting both a UK rather than Deutsch / EU
> : : : : version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.
> : : : :
> : : :
> : : : There is one big misunderstanding about the German
> : : : Fritzboxes beeing a "ISDN
> : : : Model"
> : : : Please note that all FritzBoxes work on both PSTN and
> : : : ISDN * all Boxes have a ISDN and analogue input.
> : : : Therefore you can run them
> : : : on
> : : : a ISDN line and/or a analogue line (even both, but
> : : : this is an undocumented feature)
> : : : * all Boxes have ISDN and analogue outputs (up to 3
> : : : analogue): you can run analogue phones, ISDN phines
> : : : or a ISDN PABX behind the FritzBox
> : : : Note that this even allows to run a ISDN PABX behind
> : : : a analogue BT telephone
> : : : line.
> : : :
> : : : However, all german boxes are set to ADSL "Annex B"
> : : : In Germany, all ADSL lines are "Annex B" (both ADSL
> : : : over a analogue line, as
> : : : ADSL over a ISDN line)
> : : : In the UK (also Belgiu, Netherlands ...) the phone
> : : : companies have decided to
> : : : use "Annex A" over analogue lines, and "Annex B" over
> : : : ISDN lines.
> : : : Hence the big misunderstanding. Altough "Annex A" or
> : : : "Annex B" have - strictly spoken - nothing to do with
> : : : analogue or ISDN, it is the way how BT
> : : : (and other European providers) operates ADSL.
> : : : Hence ADSL over a analogue line (Annex A) will not
> : : : function on German boxes
> : : : (set to Annex B)
> : : :
> : : : Please note that Annex A or B is completely
> : : : irrelevant if you use the FB on
> : : : a existing internet connection (e.g. behind a cable
> : : : modem, or as "client" behind an existing router
> : : :
> : : : Philippe (Belgium)
> : : :
> : : :
> : :
> : :
> : : Hi,
> : :
> : :
> : : Their was suddenly quite a barrage of detailed posts -
> : : has taken me a while to get round to reviewing, etc.
> : :
> : : I think the big questions for me are...
> : :
> : : 1) on a German model - will the ADSL not work in the UK?
>
> No. Germany uses Annex B, the UK Annex A.
>
> : : 2) can you flash a German model with English firmware
> : : so you can read the menus, etc. (will this break some
> : : things?, etc.)
>
> No and yes.
>
> : : 3) great that you can use any external
> : : line ISDN or POTS and likewise for the attached phones
> : : 4) I think it sounds nice - assuming the bits about the
> : : firmware and English, etc. - at the price these seem to
> : : be available from Germany, I don't mind having to use
> : : it in Port 1 WAN mode and disable the internal ADSL
> : : modem.
>
> What model do you want..? All except the 7170 are currently available in
> Annex A and the 7170 should be soon, according to AVM.
>
> Ivor
>

Hi Ivor,

Thanks for the input.

I think it is really just a case of justifying the expense... the ADSL side
is not imperative - only the English menus really matter I think. Hence, it
is not so much about wanting a model that is not available in English,
rather that German models are available second hand at less than 25% of the
price of English models.

Further, I understand it is possible to use self help groups that have
unofficial firmware's that convert to English and apparently even convert
Annex B to A, etc.?

As I say, that would be nice, but the ADSL side is not strictly necessary
for me (would be nice) - but English menus is what really matters.

Perhaps you can provide more insight about the firmware and breaking stuff
aspects of my original question on that, etc.

Thanks again and best wishes,

News Reader

Philippe Deleye

2007-09-20, 1:11 am

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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> I think the big questions for me are...

> 1) on a German model - will the ADSL not work in the UK?
* Not on a UK POTS line as such
* Unless you flash as Annex A.
However, this is a un-supported change of the original Firmware

> 2) can you flash a German model with English firmware so you can read the
> menus, etc. (will this break some things?, etc.)
* I believe you can. I have read reports of succesful conversions, but I
guess not so simple.
You need to change the "branding" from "avm" to "avme" and then flash with
english firmware
I believe a lot of hurdles (e.g. problems if you new frmware is older than
the existing one)
Once succesfully converted, I believe you then can use the official english
firmware updates from the AVM site
And of course only on the models which are available in english ?

> 3) great that you can use any external line ISDN or POTS and likewise for
> the attached phones
Yes >>> and even use ISDN on a FB connected to POTS

> 4) I think it sounds nice - assuming the bits about the firmware and
> English, etc. - at the price these seem to be available from Germany, I
> don't mind having to use it in Port 1 WAN mode and disable the internal
ADSL
> modem.

> P.s. Someone mentioned that if using the FB in port 1 WAN mode (ADSL modem
> disabled) it behaves strangely or impacts other operating - can you
comment
> on any of this?

I have successfully installed a FB behind exting ADSL modems or routers.
* If you use the FB behind a cable modem, then you use the FB as a router,
and you connect all your PC's behind the FB (port 3-4, or port B)
* If you use the FB behind a router (e.g. external ADSL modem/router) then
you need to run the FB as a "client" (router behind a router does not make
sence, isn't?)
The only issue in the latter case, is that the FB can not optimise traffic
(the traffic shaping feauture in the FB makes sure your VOIP connection gets
the needed bandwith, and eventually reduces the bandwith to attached PC's -
upload bandwith is usually the bottleneck for VOIP)

> P.p.s. Can you enable / disable the routing function so it acts just as an
> ATA through the WAN port 1?
Yes - see above

Also, is it a good router (DMZ, rules, stateful > packet inspection
firewall, etc., etc.)
not sure about DMZ, but routing tables, port forwarding etc is there

Philippe

Philippe Deleye

2007-09-20, 1:11 am

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
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Further to my own post re. Annex A and english software:

I have heard (read) that you may need to flash your FB back to Annex B
before you can do a english firmware update.
Orginal Annex A and Annex B boxes are different (hardware), and the Annex A
firmware may not work on a modified FB
I guess the sequence is
* Converting the Box to english
* Install latest Firmware, Annex B
* flashing to Annex A

Before each Firmware Upgrade
* Flashing back to Annex B
* Install Firmware update, Annex B
* flashing to Annex A

Of course you will only do this, if you really need the latest Firmware. In
many cases, Firware updates are not really big changes, and may not justify
to go to this trouble
PS - I cannot confirm above - I have no experience with english software
My "own" advsie would be: keep them in the original language, and try to
make you work trough the menus (learn a few words of German?)
This is a one-time effort, and you can get help from this newsgroup if
needed

Ph

News Reader

2007-09-20, 1:11 pm

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
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>
> "Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
> news:46f20945$0$13849$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>
> Further to my own post re. Annex A and english software:
>
> I have heard (read) that you may need to flash your FB back to Annex B
> before you can do a english firmware update.
> Orginal Annex A and Annex B boxes are different (hardware), and the Annex
> A
> firmware may not work on a modified FB
> I guess the sequence is
> * Converting the Box to english
> * Install latest Firmware, Annex B
> * flashing to Annex A
>
> Before each Firmware Upgrade
> * Flashing back to Annex B
> * Install Firmware update, Annex B
> * flashing to Annex A
>
> Of course you will only do this, if you really need the latest Firmware.
> In
> many cases, Firware updates are not really big changes, and may not
> justify
> to go to this trouble
> PS - I cannot confirm above - I have no experience with english software
> My "own" advsie would be: keep them in the original language, and try to
> make you work trough the menus (learn a few words of German?)
> This is a one-time effort, and you can get help from this newsgroup if
> needed
>
> Ph
>
>

Hi,

This is kind of where I was borderline at (learn more German). The only
thing is it is probably mostly all technical terms, most of which I know or
can easily and more certainly research in English, and equally I tend to
like to play and learn most all a device can do, and variously configure,
etc. at different timers (quite frequently probably - and extensively across
a wide range of configurations and configuration options). Hence, rather
than being a basic install and leave, where the German wouldn't be to
difficult, it would be a quite significantly greater challenge for me.

Thank you very much again. I hope you and others equally / similarly
knowledgeable, helpful, etc. are around if / when I go down this road

.
Of course, other equivalent units by different manufacturers in English may
turn up, or the FB English version may become more readily available at
cheaper prices.

I saw on eBay a pretty incredible device - ADSL Modem, router, ATA and
wireless! - £20. Only thing, it only had 1 Ethernet port (hence no WAN
option).. they do do 4 port's etc. I believe but don't know that anyone is
importing them. Further, not so sure about specifics / capabilities - but
seems generally very good.

Anyhow - if you have any further input or suggestions it is and would be
much appreciated.

Another equally valid line of enquiry would be alternative hardware units
that are comparable / at least as good, flexible, capable and competent as a
FB. Any suggestions, thoughts (about alternative comparable hardware units -
i.e. other makes and models, etc.)?

Thanks again and best wishes,

News Reader

News Reader

2007-09-20, 1:11 pm

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
> news:46f20edb$0$13857$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> This is kind of where I was borderline at (learn more German). The only
> thing is it is probably mostly all technical terms, most of which I know
> or can easily and more certainly research in English, and equally I tend
> to like to play and learn most all a device can do, and variously
> configure, etc. at different timers (quite frequently probably - and
> extensively across a wide range of configurations and configuration
> options). Hence, rather than being a basic install and leave, where the
> German wouldn't be to difficult, it would be a quite significantly greater
> challenge for me.
>
> Thank you very much again. I hope you and others equally / similarly
> knowledgeable, helpful, etc. are around if / when I go down this road

.
> Of course, other equivalent units by different manufacturers in English
> may turn up, or the FB English version may become more readily available
> at cheaper prices.
>
> I saw on eBay a pretty incredible device - ADSL Modem, router, ATA and
> wireless! - £20. Only thing, it only had 1 Ethernet port (hence no WAN
> option).. they do do 4 port's etc. I believe but don't know that anyone is
> importing them. Further, not so sure about specifics / capabilities - but
> seems generally very good.
>
> Anyhow - if you have any further input or suggestions it is and would be
> much appreciated.
>
> Another equally valid line of enquiry would be alternative hardware units
> that are comparable / at least as good, flexible, capable and competent as
> a FB. Any suggestions, thoughts (about alternative comparable hardware
> units - i.e. other makes and models, etc.)?
>
>
> Thanks again and best wishes,
>
>
>
> News Reader
>
>
>

Hi,

P.s. Any ideas about some of the other questions in the later sub-threads
below?

E.g. signalling, etc. (particularly the below - copied message). You have
most kindly done a wonderful job in helping with and answering all my other
questions.

Best wishes,

News Reader

P.s. How many simultaneous VoIP accounts does the FB support?

=== START OF COPY OF OTHER MESSAGE ===

Hi,

Sorry to interject on this sub-thread and as you say Philippe, it is getting
a bit long and / or confused, etc. - but anyhow... last jump in on this
sub-thread for now(!), ...

Does the FB allow remote through dialling? E.g. At PC away from FB. Dial a
VoIP account registered with the FB, FB rings, FB then presents dialtone and
allows onward dialling through attached PSTN line?

Further, what signalling does it support for external line dialling? E.g. if
it was ISDN I expect it would provide full signalling - dialling, ringing,
answered, etc. How or what does it do if connected to a POTS line
(particularly in terms of call progress / status signalling, etc.)?

Thanks so much, best wishes and all your help is greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,

News Reader

P.s. On the multiple SIP accounts thing - I am pretty sure SipGate allow
multiple registrations, as Philippe suggests, at least from different
locations - hence multiple incoming ringing. As for outgoing I am not so
sure - but definitely some SIP providers do - again as Philippe states,
generally it makes sense for most SIP providers as it increases potential
revenue. Try it is probably the best plan

.

=== END OF COPY OF OTHER MESSAGE ===

Brian A

2007-09-21, 7:11 am

>
>Sorry to interject on this sub-thread and as you say Philippe, it is getting
>a bit long and / or confused, etc. - but anyhow... last jump in on this
>sub-thread for now(!), ...
>
>Does the FB allow remote through dialling? E.g. At PC away from FB. Dial a
>VoIP account registered with the FB, FB rings, FB then presents dialtone and
>allows onward dialling through attached PSTN line?
If you bring up the Fritzbox 'control', in your browser, and select
'Telephone Book', then click once, on the required number, it will
dial the number for you. I don't see a way of doing exactly as you
would like.
>Further, what signalling does it support for external line dialling? E.g. if
>it was ISDN I expect it would provide full signalling - dialling, ringing,
>answered, etc. How or what does it do if connected to a POTS line
>(particularly in terms of call progress / status signalling, etc.)?

>P.s. On the multiple SIP accounts thing - I am pretty sure SipGate allow
>multiple registrations, as Philippe suggests, at least from different
>locations - hence multiple incoming ringing. As for outgoing I am not so
>sure - but definitely some SIP providers do - again as Philippe states,
>generally it makes sense for most SIP providers as it increases potential
>revenue. Try it is probably the best plan

.
>

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[snip]

: : : P.s. On the multiple SIP accounts thing - I am pretty
: : : sure SipGate allow multiple registrations, as
: : : Philippe suggests, at least from different locations
: : : - hence multiple incoming ringing. As for outgoing I
: : : am not so sure - but definitely some SIP providers do
: : : - again as Philippe states, generally it makes sense
: : : for most SIP providers as it increases potential
: : : revenue. Try it is probably the best plan

.

Yes it does, and it isn't necessary to have different (public) IP
addresses either. I can have my Fritz on as normal and also run X-Pro or
whatever on my laptop simultaneously with the laptop connected over Wi-Fi
to the Fritz. Both ring for calls and I can call out from either and even
ring from one Sipgate number to another (although I don't usually talk to
myself, except when testing stuff..!)

I can also use the laptop when travelling and leave the stuff on at home,
very useful for calling back home from overseas for free :-)

Ivor