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| Jean-Marie Remacle 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| what spyware do you recommend for linux ?
i searched on the net but i found just for windows
Thank you for the tips
Jean-Marie
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| houghi 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
<snip>
Ignore the trolls. He also is a notourious top poster.
<plonk>
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| Ed Hurst 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
> what spyware do you recommend for linux ?
> i searched on the net but i found just for windows
> Thank you for the tips
I'm in the mood to answer. Looking at your posts via Google Groups
search, I find it hard to believe you don't realize the only thing close
to this in Linux/Unix is something that searches for a rootkit. There's
nothing else in *nix that resembles the plague of spyware in Windows.
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Ed Hurst
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| Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
> what spyware do you recommend for linux ?
.... why *WOULD* you want spyware on your box? ~
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| Jean-Marie Remacle 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| houghi a écrit :
> Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
>
> <snip>
> Ignore the trolls. He also is a notourious top poster.
>
> <plonk>
>
May be i do something wrong but i guess it would be better that you
explain what is top poster.
Moreover i am not a great expert in linux and may be my question is
stupid but it is no troll ; it is not my aim to pollute this newsgroup
that i really appreciate.
I think it would be more clever to explain me why my question is stupid
and why spyware do not exist in linux
Jean-Marie
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| sktsee 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Ed Hurst wrote:
> Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
>
> I'm in the mood to answer. Looking at your posts via Google Groups
> search, I find it hard to believe you don't realize the only thing close
> to this in Linux/Unix is something that searches for a rootkit. There's
> nothing else in *nix that resembles the plague of spyware in Windows.
>
Actually, there is at least a couple of xpi spyware extensions for mozilla
that have started turning up on the web. So far, they target the windows
platform versions, though there's nothing which prevents a malicious
extension from doing all sorts of nasty things on your system, even if its
only running in userspace. It's an attack vector that really hasn't been
exploited yet, but probably will as linux make more inroads into the home
desktop market.
sktsee
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| Jeremy Fisher 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
> what spyware do you recommend for linux ?
> i searched on the net but i found just for windows
> Thank you for the tips
> Jean-Marie
Spyware is not an issue on linux systems, you would I wish to give such
programs permission to access the net, why would anyone do this!. I would
need very good reasons before allowing anything to be broadcast from my
system.
If you are thinking of using spyware in your own programs, then consider
reasearching opensource as an alternative, because I would not use any
program that broadcasts info about my system, its one reason why I use
linux.
Jem..
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| Jeremy Fisher 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| mjt wrote:
> Jeremy Fisher wrote:
>
>
> ... really? install 'realplay' and run:
> [bash] tcpdump -vvv -ttt -p -i ethx:x
>
> have fun 
Interesting, a program worthy of a boycott.
Jem..
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| Alberto Garcia Baladia 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
> May be i do something wrong but i guess it would be better that you
> explain what is top poster.
> Moreover i am not a great expert in linux and may be my question is
> stupid but it is no troll ; it is not my aim to pollute this newsgroup
> that i really appreciate.
> I think it would be more clever to explain me why my question is stupid
> and why spyware do not exist in linux
> Jean-Marie
>
Perhaps all this useless controversy is due to a problem in the way you made
the question: You wrote "spyware for linux" and, surely, you wanted to write
"anti-spyware software for linux". That is what I understood, and I think
that you don't have to be very clever to do so. My first language is not
english, and surely not yours as well. This should be remembered by the
others; We have to do double effort: Learn Linux and write in a different
language to stay in this newsgroup, that I like a lot and consider truly
helpfull. So, people, don't be so strict.
Top posting consists in writing the answer to a post on top of the original
one.
--
Alberto Garcia Baladia
Madrid (Spain)
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| Arne Schmitz 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Jeremy Fisher schrieb:
> Interesting, a program worthy of a boycott.
And while you're at it, just replace it with Xine. Although you will have to
keep the .so of the Real-codec...
Arne
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| Jean-Marie Remacle 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Alberto Garcia Baladia a écrit :
> Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Perhaps all this useless controversy is due to a problem in the way you made
> the question: You wrote "spyware for linux" and, surely, you wanted to write
> "anti-spyware software for linux". That is what I understood, and I think
> that you don't have to be very clever to do so. My first language is not
> english, and surely not yours as well. This should be remembered by the
> others; We have to do double effort: Learn Linux and write in a different
> language to stay in this newsgroup, that I like a lot and consider truly
> helpfull. So, people, don't be so strict.
> Top posting consists in writing the answer to a post on top of the original
> one.
Of course i was meaning anti-spyware. It is not supposed to be known but
i have other things to do than try to contaminate internet...
ok my question was a bit ambiguous but it was so evident for me...
And btw i don't see why spyware could not reach a computer with linux.
Thank you for your moderate answer and proficiat for your good english.
Jean-Marie
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| Arne Schmitz 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Jean-Marie Remacle schrieb:
> Of course i was meaning anti-spyware. It is not supposed to be known but
> i have other things to do than try to contaminate internet...
> ok my question was a bit ambiguous but it was so evident for me...
> And btw i don't see why spyware could not reach a computer with linux.
Spyware in Linux is really, really seldom because most software in Linux is
open source. And with hundreds of Coders watching the development of
programs it would be very difficult to sneak in some code that does spying.
The Realplayer which was mentioned in a posting above however is a
commercial, closed source program. I furthermore do not know, if the
allegations against Realplayer are based on facts. Yes, Realplayer might be
communicating with real.com, but your webbrowser also sends cookies to
websites... Nevertheless I use xine as a replacement for Realplayer. :^)
And the spyware that is common on Windows systems cannot run on Linux
systems because of binary incompatibilities. Just like you cannot run any
Windows applications on Linux without some sort of emulation layer.
Arne
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Alberto Garcia Baladia wrote:
> Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Perhaps all this useless controversy is due to a problem in the way you made
> the question: You wrote "spyware for linux" and, surely, you wanted to write
> "anti-spyware software for linux". That is what I understood, and I think
> that you don't have to be very clever to do so. My first language is not
> english, and surely not yours as well. This should be remembered by the
> others; We have to do double effort: Learn Linux and write in a different
> language to stay in this newsgroup, that I like a lot and consider truly
> helpfull. So, people, don't be so strict.
Food for thought, all.
> Top posting consists in writing the answer to a post on top of the original
> one.
And you can't blame people for using it when more and more
applications not only permit it but default into top posting
and HTML messaging.
Mild reminders should suffice!
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
> what spyware do you recommend for linux ?
> i searched on the net but i found just for windows
> Thank you for the tips
> Jean-Marie
Aucun besoin, dans le cas de Linux un firewall (parefeu?)
au niveau logiciel suffit en guise de protection contre
les attaques DE l'exterieur. De plus un router au niveau
quincaillerie devrait pas a peu-pres interdire le reste.
Ce n'est point comme pour Le Chassis, ou de plus en plus on
parle de l'interdiction VERS l'exterieur ;-) i.e pogner et
debiter les mouchards en sortant a la cloture.
Le top posting, ecrire au dessus du texte cite, (comme les
messages en format autre que texte simple) sont generalement
pas bienvenus. Ajuste ton logiciel si possible SVP.
Now don't you all frogs carry this thread in french, I just
wanted to make the point that handling news in another lingo
isn't always as easy as it might seem.
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| Peter Köhlmann 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| user@abus.er wrote:
> Alberto Garcia Baladia wrote:
>
> Food for thought, all.
>
>
> And you can't blame people for using it
Sure you can
> when more and more
> applications not only permit it but default into top posting
> and HTML messaging.
>
Which would be exactly?
> Mild reminders should suffice!
Really?
--
Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -
they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> user@abus.er wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Sure you can
>
Technically, yes, and I stand corrected. I should have
said 'think before blaming them'.
Do as you please, the point being?
>
>
>
> Which would be exactly?
>
>
Find them.
>
>
> Really?
Mild AND polite, that has been my experience with most.
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| Peter Köhlmann 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| user@abus.er wrote:
> Jean-Marie Remacle wrote:
>
> Aucun besoin, dans le cas de Linux un firewall (parefeu?)
> au niveau logiciel suffit en guise de protection contre
> les attaques DE l'exterieur. De plus un router au niveau
> quincaillerie devrait pas a peu-pres interdire le reste.
>
> Ce n'est point comme pour Le Chassis, ou de plus en plus on
> parle de l'interdiction VERS l'exterieur ;-) i.e pogner et
> debiter les mouchards en sortant a la cloture.
>
> Le top posting, ecrire au dessus du texte cite, (comme les
> messages en format autre que texte simple) sont generalement
> pas bienvenus. Ajuste ton logiciel si possible SVP.
>
Isn't it nice that you answered in quite understandable french, but failed
to address the "point" completely and utterly?
And, btw, the OP wasn't "top-posted". Not at all
So telling him why top-posting is frowned upon is nice and dandy, but still
to the wrong poster
> Now don't you all frogs carry this thread in french,
And then continue with the insults ("frogs")
> I just
> wanted to make the point that handling news in another lingo
> isn't always as easy as it might seem.
Fine. Now that you have established that there are people who actually
understand french, what next?
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer
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| Peter Köhlmann 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| user@abus.er wrote:
>
> Find them.
>
In other words, you can't name any
--
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> user@abus.er wrote:
snip
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Isn't it nice that you answered in quite understandable french,
I 'tried' to
> but failed
> to address the "point" completely and utterly?
I address whatever I like anyway it pleases me.
> And, btw, the OP wasn't "top-posted". Not at all
> So telling him why top-posting is frowned upon is nice and dandy, but still
> to the wrong poster
>
He asked what it was.
>
>
>
> And then continue with the insults ("frogs")
>
The context makes it pretty clear that it neither was
nor could be read as an insult. Unlike some other nicks
with which you may or may not be familiar, yank, frog,
aussie and a few more are seldom considered derogatory
'as far as I know', Il Guruski.
>
>
>
> Fine. Now that you have established that there are people who actually
> understand french, what next?
I haven't established anything, just made the point for
patience and generosity with readers of other languages,
hence no nexto, unless preferest thou pissing into the wind.
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> user@abus.er wrote:
>
>
>
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> In other words, you can't name any
Those would be in other words, yes; namely, YOURS.
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| Peter Köhlmann 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| user@abus.er wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> snip
>
>
> I 'tried' to
>
>
> I address whatever I like anyway it pleases me.
>
You addressed nothing he asked
> He asked what it was.
Here is the OP in full:
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what spyware do you recommend for linux ?
i searched on the net but i found just for windows
Thank you for the tips
--------------
Now your turn. Tell us where he asks what top-posting is
[vbcol=seagreen]
> The context makes it pretty clear that it neither was
> nor could be read as an insult. Unlike some other nicks
> with which you may or may not be familiar, yank, frog,
> aussie and a few more are seldom considered derogatory
> 'as far as I know', Il Guruski.
Well, ask the french if they find "frog" any funny
< snip >
--
You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Peter Köhlmann wrote:
snip
> --
> You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species
Cool.
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| Peter Köhlmann 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| user@abus.er wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> snip
>
>
> Cool.
I see. You were left speachless.
You had to snip in full
--
If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous.
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| Hank Oredson 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| A "top poster" is either someone who posts most
frequently to a particular newsgroup, or it is the
poster on your wall nearest the ceiling. What is
"notourious"? Not in my dictionary.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
http://w0rli.home.att.net
"Jean-Marie Remacle" <jmremacleNOSPAM@tiscali.be> wrote in message
news:409e456a$0$41749$5fc3050@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl...
> houghi a écrit :
> May be i do something wrong but i guess it would be better that you
> explain what is top poster.
> Moreover i am not a great expert in linux and may be my question is
> stupid but it is no troll ; it is not my aim to pollute this newsgroup
> that i really appreciate.
> I think it would be more clever to explain me why my question is stupid
> and why spyware do not exist in linux
> Jean-Marie
>
> --
> Enlever NOSPAM de l'adresse.
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-10, 5:39 pm |
| Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> user@abus.er wrote:
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> I see. You were left speachless.
> You had to snip in full
Almost forgot, happy MUTHA's day to you :-) </intrigue>
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| houghi 2004-05-10, 5:40 pm |
| user@abus.er wrote:
< snip>
> And you can't blame people for using it when more and more
> applications not only permit it but default into top posting
> and HTML messaging.
Sure you can. Before I had a PC, so even before I had an
internetconnection, I looked up what is done and what is not done. I
knew what flaming was and I knew what lurking was.
Before I did my first posting on Usenet, I lurked in several months for
several months. Yes, months. I then noticed that different groups had
different rules. No sigs in AFU, no smileys in AFU, ...
Ignorance is not an excuse when you are unwilling to learn. Then it is
stupidity.
> Mild reminders should suffice!
I then mildly remind you that correct quoting also include snipping
things that are irrelevant.
--
houghi http://www.houghi.org
My experience with SuSE Linux 9.1
> The businessworld is like prison and M$ made everybody their XXXXX.
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| user@abus.er 2004-05-11, 5:36 pm |
| Here's what Jean-Marie wrote, so you get a chance to read it maybe
for the first time:
> what spyware do you recommend for linux ?
> i searched on the net but i found just for windows
> Thank you for the tips
> Jean-Marie
Here's what you wrote, so everybody gets a chance to read it again:
> <snip>
> Ignore the trolls. He also is a notourious top poster.
>
> <plonk>
How could an original post be top-posted? Nor do I see in it any
traits that would suggest any form of trolling. Yet you jump on
him with both feet. He comes back and nicely explains to you what
may have been a cause for misreading, and then some others try
to help him out. But you're out of what you started either because
you killfiled the guy or because you realized your goof and prefer
timing out in the shade for a while.
Then you have the affront to come back and tell ANYBODY ANYTHING?
As for the rest of yours in response to mine...
houghi wrote:
> user@abus.er wrote:
> < snip>
>
>
>
> Sure you can. Before I had a PC, so even before I had an
> internetconnection, I looked up what is done and what is not done. I
> knew what flaming was and I knew what lurking was.
>
Not me, I just jumped in there and had loads of fun the first
time around and each time since. Oh sorry.. you wrote interconnection..
my mistake.
Is there a bug in my ThunderBrid or do I still see alt.os.linux.suse
here instead of rec.whogivesashit.about.houghis.biography?
If you had bothered to read relevant portions of the thread you
would have noticed that I had accepted Peter Köhlmann's criticism
on this point more than a day before.
> Before I did my first posting on Usenet, I lurked in several months for
> several months. Yes, months. I then noticed that different groups had
> different rules. No sigs in AFU, no smileys in AFU, ...
>
Well you seem to have lost the habbit I'd say because not only you
don't seem to read a thread you evidently can't even cope with a
four line original anymore before blindly blowing it up.
> Ignorance is not an excuse when you are unwilling to learn. Then it is
> stupidity.
>
Whose ignorance are you talking about? If you're aiming the
original poster then all I can say is that in my book ignorance
is a FAR better excuse then arrogance. There is no such thing
as a stupid question, only a stupid answer and the net evolved
to accomodate liberal amounts of the *former*.
>
>
> I then mildly remind you that correct quoting also include snipping
> things that are irrelevant.
>
Certainly, irrelevant that is as far as the author is concerned,
it being entirely a judgement call. That's exactly what I did
quoting the essential two paragraphs that I thought were relevant.
You are free to quote those which you consider relevant to your postings.
It is one thing to toss rocks and vulgarities at one another in a
thread already providing fertile ground for it, it's even enjoyable at
times for protagonists and lurkers alike, but it's another to attack
someone who just posted a simple and friendly question asking for
nothing more then a few lines of help, no longer BTW then it took you
to plunk it.
I have several times publicly apolgized to posters on whose dignity
I had trampled inadvertantly or without sufficient cause. If my
response to Jean-Marie were yours I would do so again. I would never
ever presume to suggest what you should do for the simple reason that
I don't give a flying XXXX about whether you live or die. You may do
as you please and that will doubtlessly be in direct proportion to your
caliber and no one else's.
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| houghi 2004-05-11, 5:37 pm |
| user@abus.er wrote:
<snip>
Whatever. Please killfile me if I bother you.
--
houghi http://www.houghi.org
My experience with SuSE Linux 9.1
> The businessworld is like prison and M$ made everybody their XXXXX.
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| On Sun, 09 May 2004 23:18:22 +0200, Arne Schmitz <arne.schmitz@mmweg.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
>Jean-Marie Remacle schrieb:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Spyware in Linux is really, really seldom because most software in Linux is
substitute "never" for "really really seldom". There is absolutely no
spyware for linux. None. Zero. Nada. Zippo. Even if some was written,
the user would have to download it and run it's installer as root.
Maybe MS will port their lovely internet explorer to linux. They'll have
it run as root, of course, and have lots of lovely security holes for spyware
to use to instalation without any user intervention. Until then, there
will never by linux spyware.
And all absolute statements, including this one, are false.
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