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Licensing on WCS Bus Edition for Internal IBM Owned Servers?
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| Richard Nendza 2004-01-31, 11:33 am |
| My team currently has a web app ( hardware / software procurement
application) that we use to support our services offered to our customers
(b2b). Currently we have a very complex, highly customized web site built
in Active Server Pages / IIS / Windows (Don't get me started on that.. lol).
Anyways, we have 2 options.
1. Rewrite the entire app from scratch, building our own EJB's / JSP's /
Controll Logic /etc.etc.
2. Evaluate WCS and see if it will meet our current business needs.
Being that we are an IBM team and our web application exists to support our
services for users both internal to IBM as well as external customers (our
servers are all owned by IBM and we don't sell out web app as a product..we
sell our services), does our team have to pay for licenses of WCS Bus
Edition?
I really would rather use WCS, customize on top of it, then starting from
scratch although our group has never been big on paying big $$ for licensing
software.. especially IBM software since we are IBM. Even though I still
believe that it would end up costing less in the future then basically
rebuilding most of the functionality that WCS provides from scratch, it's a
different story when we try to get funding for that.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
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| Matt Fleming 2004-02-04, 7:34 am |
| We just went through the same situation and we picked WCS over a custom
solution. I would only get WCS if you needed it to be the system of record
for both products and orders. If you don't need it for both, it is
overkill. We use it as not the system of record for either.. The largest
portion of or time was spent on mapping our data into the WCS schema (and
learning massloader), and integrating orders to a different back end order
processing system
If we could do it again, I would write a STRUTS app in 1/4 of the time it
took us to rewrite our website. The website would be just a view of the
product and order data and would be lean. We certainly wouldn't have used
EJBs for persistence. WCS really only runs well on expensive, memory laden
hardware, which is totally worth it for a system of record but not as a cash
register.
-Matt
"Richard Nendza" <rnendza@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:bvhhro$4kfc$1@news.boulder.ibm.com...quote:
> My team currently has a web app ( hardware / software procurement
> application) that we use to support our services offered to our customers
> (b2b). Currently we have a very complex, highly customized web site built
> in Active Server Pages / IIS / Windows (Don't get me started on that..
lol).quote:
>
> Anyways, we have 2 options.
>
> 1. Rewrite the entire app from scratch, building our own EJB's / JSP's /
> Controll Logic /etc.etc.
> 2. Evaluate WCS and see if it will meet our current business needs.
>
> Being that we are an IBM team and our web application exists to support
ourquote:
> services for users both internal to IBM as well as external customers (our
> servers are all owned by IBM and we don't sell out web app as a
product..wequote:
> sell our services), does our team have to pay for licenses of WCS Bus
> Edition?
>
> I really would rather use WCS, customize on top of it, then starting from
> scratch although our group has never been big on paying big $$ for
licensingquote:
> software.. especially IBM software since we are IBM. Even though I still
> believe that it would end up costing less in the future then basically
> rebuilding most of the functionality that WCS provides from scratch, it's
aquote:
> different story when we try to get funding for that.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
>
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| Richard Nendza 2004-02-05, 2:36 am |
| Hi.. Thank you for your insight..
We do store our complete catalog in our app, order history, associated po's,
invoices, assets.etc.etc. It's a pretty heavy app to begin with. I'm also
worried about the skill set of our particular team being able to write
something from scratch.
Problem is, the hardware supplied to us for our servers is typcially
obsolete and very weak.
So.. did you have to pay for WCS licenses?
Do they allow WCS in a GWA environment? For internal IBM users as well as
External company users?
"Matt Fleming" <xagloel02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:bvrkh2$5b3k$1@news.boulder.ibm.com...quote:
> We just went through the same situation and we picked WCS over a custom
> solution. I would only get WCS if you needed it to be the system of record
> for both products and orders. If you don't need it for both, it is
> overkill. We use it as not the system of record for either.. The largest
> portion of or time was spent on mapping our data into the WCS schema (and
> learning massloader), and integrating orders to a different back end order
> processing system
>
> If we could do it again, I would write a STRUTS app in 1/4 of the time it
> took us to rewrite our website. The website would be just a view of the
> product and order data and would be lean. We certainly wouldn't have used
> EJBs for persistence. WCS really only runs well on expensive, memory laden
> hardware, which is totally worth it for a system of record but not as a
cashquote:
> register.
>
> -Matt
>
> "Richard Nendza" <rnendza@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:bvhhro$4kfc$1@news.boulder.ibm.com...
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| Matt Fleming 2004-02-11, 2:34 am |
| > We do store our complete catalog in our app, order history, associated
po's,
> invoices, assets.etc.etc. It's a pretty heavy app to begin with. I'm also
> worried about the skill set of our particular team being able to write
> something from scratch.
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Sounds like WCS is a good fit for you.
> Problem is, the hardware supplied to us for our servers is typcially
> obsolete and very weak.
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Depending on your system load this could be a problem in production.. As far
as development is concerned, the PCs need to have at least 1G of RAM to run
WSAD effectively.
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> So.. did you have to pay for WCS licenses?
Of course, but I don't think the license agreement is per seat, I think it
is tied to the number of production environments we run..
> Do they allow WCS in a GWA environment? For internal IBM users as well
as
> External company users?
I don't know what the GWA acronym means.. But it would seem strange to me
for IBM to charge an IBM company for an IBM application which would be used
only by IBM employees. Then again we are talking about IBM so maybe that's
not so strange..;-)
-Matt
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> "Matt Fleming" <xagloel02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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| Richard Nendza 2004-02-12, 12:34 pm |
| Sorry. GWA means Global Web Architecture. Now called Web Standards and
Guidelines.
https://w3-1.ibm.com/transform/sas/...+and+Guidelines
Thank you for your assistance... Personally, I think WCS is a good fit for
our group. Unfortunately, our group has always been under the culture of
creating everything and anything from scratch irregardless of whether it
makes sense to take advantage of a package that may get us at least 1/2 the
way there. I never understood it.. but then again.. as you say.. we are
talking about IBM.
"Matt Fleming" <xagloel02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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> Depending on your system load this could be a problem in production.. As
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> Of course, but I don't think the license agreement is per seat, I think it
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> I don't know what the GWA acronym means.. But it would seem strange to me
> for IBM to charge an IBM company for an IBM application which would be
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> only by IBM employees. Then again we are talking about IBM so maybe that's
> not so strange..;-)
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> -Matt
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| Make sure you get someone who knows commerce to help you map your data
to the WC data model and your business processing to the WC object model.
We just rewrote an application that was designed for WC 5.4 but was
written completely outside of the object model. The original
development resulted in significant EJB and custom command development
as well as schema extensions. Our team rewrote the application entirely
within the framework of the commerce data/object model in 20% of the
time that it took the original team to develop their custom application.
The real cost savings will result in the future when they migrate to
newer versions of WC and dont have to migrate/rewrite all their
EJB/Commands for every new version of WAS/WC
Good Luck,
geo
Richard Nendza wrote:
> Sorry. GWA means Global Web Architecture. Now called Web Standards and
> Guidelines.
> https://w3-1.ibm.com/transform/sas/...+and+Guidelines
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> Thank you for your assistance... Personally, I think WCS is a good fit for
> our group. Unfortunately, our group has always been under the culture of
> creating everything and anything from scratch irregardless of whether it
> makes sense to take advantage of a package that may get us at least 1/2 the
> way there. I never understood it.. but then again.. as you say.. we are
> talking about IBM.
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> "Matt Fleming" <xagloel02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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