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| Hello,
We are in the very early stages of a WebSphere Portal implementation. I
have been tasked with the responsibility of making the hardware and
software recommendations. My responsibility in the daily operations will
be as WebSphere administrator.
Today, I am working toward deciding on the operating system to host the
application and web servers. We have pretty much settled on beefed up HP
Proliant DL380 G4 machines. Dual Xeon 3.6GHz procs and as much RAM as
they'll take.
From an operating system administrators point of view, i prefer to
admin Linux. Though the majority of our current (non-WSP) production,
test, and staging servers are running various versions of Windows Server.
I'd like to hear what you all think about the operating system WebSphere
plays nicest with. I've pretty much narrowed it down to Linux and
Windows due to the experience and skill set of my group. Though I'd love
to hear about the experiences you've had, even if you're not running in
either of those environments.
Specifically, I'd like to address the following;
What operating system are you running on the application and web server?
How much does the choice of operating system affect WebSphere
performance / administrative overhead? (Are there performance incentives
to choosing Linux over Windows or vice verse. Does one operating system
seem to cause WebSphere to require more attention over the other?)
How easily have you been able to find support docs or resources for
WebSphere on your operating system?
How many concurrent users does your environment typically handle?
With your experiences maintaining the WSP environment, which operating
system would you choose for your implementation. Why?
I'm going to head off to the IBM site for more information. From what
I've gathered so far, IBM makes a strong push towards Linux. Though I am
a little weary of any bias IBM's recommendation may contain.
Thanks all for your time and sharing your experiences and knowledge.
Hopefully I will soon be a heavy contributer and benefactor of these groups.
=)
e-
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| Ray McVay 2005-01-28, 5:55 pm |
| We run WAS on Windows (NT4, 2003) but we don't put Windows on the
Internet so we run our IHS in the DMZ on Linux. The supporting LDAP
servers are OpenLDAP on Linux boxes.
ews wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are in the very early stages of a WebSphere Portal implementation. I
> have been tasked with the responsibility of making the hardware and
> software recommendations. My responsibility in the daily operations will
> be as WebSphere administrator.
>
> Today, I am working toward deciding on the operating system to host the
> application and web servers. We have pretty much settled on beefed up HP
> Proliant DL380 G4 machines. Dual Xeon 3.6GHz procs and as much RAM as
> they'll take.
>
> From an operating system administrators point of view, i prefer to
> admin Linux. Though the majority of our current (non-WSP) production,
> test, and staging servers are running various versions of Windows Server.
>
> I'd like to hear what you all think about the operating system WebSphere
> plays nicest with. I've pretty much narrowed it down to Linux and
> Windows due to the experience and skill set of my group. Though I'd love
> to hear about the experiences you've had, even if you're not running in
> either of those environments.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to address the following;
>
> What operating system are you running on the application and web server?
>
> How much does the choice of operating system affect WebSphere
> performance / administrative overhead? (Are there performance incentives
> to choosing Linux over Windows or vice verse. Does one operating system
> seem to cause WebSphere to require more attention over the other?)
>
> How easily have you been able to find support docs or resources for
> WebSphere on your operating system?
>
> How many concurrent users does your environment typically handle?
>
> With your experiences maintaining the WSP environment, which operating
> system would you choose for your implementation. Why?
>
>
> I'm going to head off to the IBM site for more information. From what
> I've gathered so far, IBM makes a strong push towards Linux. Though I am
> a little weary of any bias IBM's recommendation may contain.
>
> Thanks all for your time and sharing your experiences and knowledge.
>
> Hopefully I will soon be a heavy contributer and benefactor of these
> groups.
>
> =)
>
> e-
>
>
>
>
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| ews wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are in the very early stages of a WebSphere Portal implementation. I
> have been tasked with the responsibility of making the hardware and
> software recommendations. My responsibility in the daily operations will
> be as WebSphere administrator.
>
> Today, I am working toward deciding on the operating system to host the
> application and web servers. We have pretty much settled on beefed up HP
> Proliant DL380 G4 machines. Dual Xeon 3.6GHz procs and as much RAM as
> they'll take.
>
> From an operating system administrators point of view, i prefer to
> admin Linux. Though the majority of our current (non-WSP) production,
> test, and staging servers are running various versions of Windows Server.
>
> I'd like to hear what you all think about the operating system WebSphere
> plays nicest with. I've pretty much narrowed it down to Linux and
> Windows due to the experience and skill set of my group. Though I'd love
> to hear about the experiences you've had, even if you're not running in
> either of those environments.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to address the following;
>
> What operating system are you running on the application and web server?
>
> How much does the choice of operating system affect WebSphere
> performance / administrative overhead? (Are there performance incentives
> to choosing Linux over Windows or vice verse. Does one operating system
> seem to cause WebSphere to require more attention over the other?)
>
> How easily have you been able to find support docs or resources for
> WebSphere on your operating system?
>
> How many concurrent users does your environment typically handle?
>
> With your experiences maintaining the WSP environment, which operating
> system would you choose for your implementation. Why?
>
>
> I'm going to head off to the IBM site for more information. From what
> I've gathered so far, IBM makes a strong push towards Linux. Though I am
> a little weary of any bias IBM's recommendation may contain.
>
> Thanks all for your time and sharing your experiences and knowledge.
>
> Hopefully I will soon be a heavy contributer and benefactor of these
> groups.
>
> =)
>
> e-
i just got off the phone with IBM, who claimed to not have any
comparison data of windows and linux platforms. he did mention that
linux will perform better in environments where all hardware is equal.
the benefit is seen due to lower overhead of the linux operating system
and not to any particular preference WAS has for linux.
i must say, as i search for more information, i am becoming more
discouraged about the strength of my case for linux.
id like to change the post title to "Making the case for Linux based
servers" and solicit pro linux data. though i doubt i'd get much
management buy in with such data.
anyway, i think ill still look for data (other than the middleware
microsoft commissioned study) and attempt to salvage the case for linux.
i wish there were some magic study that touted linux as the reign
supreme champion of the server world when used with WAS and that using
windows would cause an abrupt end to the world and loss of profits.
unfortunately i stopped using LSD years back.
anyway, id still like to hear answers to the original questions as i am
continuing to build a case for linux on the servers. though it will be
much harder now that its been said there are no additional benefits
specific to running websphere in linux.
have a nice day.
e-
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| Recommendation from practice: for stability and ease of administration use
an iSeries with OS/400 as your production platform. For development (where
you start/stop a server more frequently) use Linux as your platform of
choice. You can do this on one physical box (eg a 520).
Henk.
"ews" <crx@drunkenmonks.net> schreef in bericht
news:cte523$133s$1@news.boulder.ibm.com...
> Hello,
>
> We are in the very early stages of a WebSphere Portal implementation. I
> have been tasked with the responsibility of making the hardware and
> software recommendations. My responsibility in the daily operations will
> be as WebSphere administrator.
>
> Today, I am working toward deciding on the operating system to host the
> application and web servers. We have pretty much settled on beefed up HP
> Proliant DL380 G4 machines. Dual Xeon 3.6GHz procs and as much RAM as
> they'll take.
>
> From an operating system administrators point of view, i prefer to
> admin Linux. Though the majority of our current (non-WSP) production,
> test, and staging servers are running various versions of Windows Server.
>
> I'd like to hear what you all think about the operating system WebSphere
> plays nicest with. I've pretty much narrowed it down to Linux and
> Windows due to the experience and skill set of my group. Though I'd love
> to hear about the experiences you've had, even if you're not running in
> either of those environments.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to address the following;
>
> What operating system are you running on the application and web server?
>
> How much does the choice of operating system affect WebSphere
> performance / administrative overhead? (Are there performance incentives
> to choosing Linux over Windows or vice verse. Does one operating system
> seem to cause WebSphere to require more attention over the other?)
>
> How easily have you been able to find support docs or resources for
> WebSphere on your operating system?
>
> How many concurrent users does your environment typically handle?
>
> With your experiences maintaining the WSP environment, which operating
> system would you choose for your implementation. Why?
>
>
> I'm going to head off to the IBM site for more information. From what
> I've gathered so far, IBM makes a strong push towards Linux. Though I am
> a little weary of any bias IBM's recommendation may contain.
>
> Thanks all for your time and sharing your experiences and knowledge.
>
> Hopefully I will soon be a heavy contributer and benefactor of these
> groups.
>
> =)
>
> e-
>
>
>
>
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| Editor 2005-02-02, 5:57 pm |
| Having worked at IBM and still having friends there, I'll tell you I
have the same problem. I'm told if the hardware is equal then its is
purely an OS performance/security issue. Where you will see improvement
is if you move off of intel hardware, but then you're comapring apples
to oranges. The new OpenPower servers look promising. Anyone running
WAS+Linux on OpenPower?
--
Robert B., Editor
http://www.websphereinfo.com
Want to be an author? contact me at the URL above.
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| Editor wrote:
> Having worked at IBM and still having friends there, I'll tell you I
> have the same problem. I'm told if the hardware is equal then its is
> purely an OS performance/security issue. Where you will see improvement
> is if you move off of intel hardware, but then you're comapring apples
Improvements in what? Performance? Ease of maintenance? Stability?
Even comparisons of apples and oranges can be more detailed than a
simple: "Apples are better because I like them".
> to oranges. The new OpenPower servers look promising. Anyone running
> WAS+Linux on OpenPower?
>
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| Editor wrote:
> Having worked at IBM and still having friends there, I'll tell you I
> have the same problem. I'm told if the hardware is equal then its is
> purely an OS performance/security issue. Where you will see improvement
> is if you move off of intel hardware, but then you're comapring apples
> to oranges. The new OpenPower servers look promising. Anyone running
> WAS+Linux on OpenPower?
>
Yes. The openpower machines do look tempting. 64 bit goodness is always
an incentive when dealing with an application that charges per processor.
im particularly interested in the 710's.. anyone working with these and
red hat in production?
thanks
e-
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