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RE: Soliciting "I need these everywhere I go" package lists from Debian admi
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| Julian Mehnle 2004-01-23, 11:33 pm |
| David B Harris wrote:quote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:11:12 -0500
> David B Harris <dbharris@eelf.ddts.net> wrote:
>=20
> Just for reference, my list is at
> http://eelf.ddts.net/~dbharris/temp/used-package-list
In addition to what you already have on your list, I always install:
adduser
apt-listchanges
hdparm (although I could imagine it doesn't make sense everywhere)
mc
ntp
ntpdate
perl-doc
recode
slocate
unzip
zip
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| Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo 2004-01-24, 4:34 am |
| El día 24 ene 2004, Johann Koenig escribía:quote:
> On Saturday January 24 at 01:21pm
> Julian Mehnle <lists@mehnle.net> wrote:
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> I don't install that, I compile my kernel to automatically use it.
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> It would be nice to have some default servers. Perhaps one of the Debian
> machines is an ntp server, and could be the default?
pool.ntp.org [0]
It's a pool of ntp servers, so no one is overloaded.
There is a wishlist bug filled about this: #185324
[0] http://fortytwo.ch/time/
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| Kalle Valo 2004-01-24, 7:34 am |
| Johann Koenig <johann@mental-graffiti.com> writes:
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> It would be nice to have some default servers. Perhaps one of the Debian
> machines is an ntp server, and could be the default?
That's a bad idea, I'm afraid. Netgear had a static NTP server in one
of it's routers and this was the outcome:
"In May 2003, the university of Wisconsin - Madison found that it was
the recipient of a continuous large scale flood of inbound Internet
traffic destined for one of the campus' public Network Time Protocol
(NTP) servers. The flood traffic rate was hundreds-of-thousands of
packets-per-second, and hundreds of megabits-per-second."
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/netgear-sntp/
It's just best to use the closest NTP server to avoid unnecessary
traffic. For example, I think all ISPs in Finland have one.
There is an anycast address assigned for NTP but I don't know if it's
supported at all. At least I haven't heard anything about it. That's
too bad, because it would avoid the hassle.
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| Joshua Kwan 2004-01-24, 7:34 am |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:11:12AM -0500, David B Harris wrote:quote:
> Hence this mail - I'm soliciting package lists from other Debian admins
> and developers/maintainers. What I'm looking for (given the small size
> of the target media) is the list of packages you, as a Debian admin,
> install on pretty much every machine you either use routinely or
> administer routinely regardless of what the purpose of the box is. For
> instance, I have Vim on my list. It's my editor of choice, I use it
> pretty much everywhere I can.
Here's a list..
w3m
ntpdate
wget (surprisingly, not in the base system)
tree
rsync
sudo (debatable)
pinfo
ntpdate
netcat
mutt
lsof
grep-dctrl
bwm
bzip2
For programming (which I do on every machine ;))
manpages-dev
valgrind
astyle
diff and patch (not sure which one is in base, IIRC at least one is)
devscripts
dpatch
cvs (let the flames commence)
cproto
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| Per Olofsson 2004-01-24, 7:34 am |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 14:48 -0500, David B Harris wrote:quote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:45:57 -0500
> Johann Koenig <johann@mental-graffiti.com> wrote:
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> It has absolutely no advantages over SSH whatsoever. None at all. At
> least, none that I'm aware of.
It supports PKI, which SSH doesn't, at least not without patches. This
means that you can sign your host and user keys with a CA, and then
you only need the CA certificate (plus revocation lists) to determine
which host and user keys to trust. In SSH, you need to have the public
key of every host and user you want to trust. The SSH way of managing
keys is also specific to SSH, while PKI is used in all SSL
applications (for example).
/Pelle
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| Joshua Kwan 2004-01-24, 8:34 am |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 10:19:14PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:quote:
> less
Ah, yes, I always wonder why that's not part of base either. 
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| Bas Zoetekouw 2004-01-24, 8:34 am |
| Hi Joshua!
You wrote:
quote:
> Here's a list..
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> w3m
> ntpdate
> wget (surprisingly, not in the base system)
> tree
> rsync
> sudo (debatable)
> pinfo
> ntpdate
> netcat
> mutt
> lsof
> grep-dctrl
> bwm
> bzip2
less
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| David Nusinow 2004-01-24, 8:34 am |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 01:31:03PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote:quote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 10:19:14PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
> Ah, yes, I always wonder why that's not part of base either.
david@squee ~ % ls -l `which more`; ls -l `which less`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26840 2003-12-06 22:34 /bin/more
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 95404 2003-03-02 16:50 /usr/bin/less
That's the only reason I can think of, but I think it's still worth putting in
base too :-)
- David Nusinow
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| Jeroen van Wolffelaar 2004-01-24, 11:34 am |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 04:39:56PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:quote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 01:31:03PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote:
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> david@squee ~ % ls -l `which more`; ls -l `which less`
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26840 2003-12-06 22:34 /bin/more
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 95404 2003-03-02 16:50 /usr/bin/less
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> That's the only reason I can think of, but I think it's still worth putting in
> base too :-)
Especially since less is more.
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| Marc Singer 2004-01-24, 12:34 pm |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:57:47PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:quote:
> Marc Singer <elf@buici.com> wrote:
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> Iirc dump/restore has been broken on linux for a long time, I do not
> know whether this link still works:
> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/lin...01-16/1175.html
> cu andreas
Interesting. I have used them with good effect for many years. Yes,
I have restored filesystem. IIRC, it should all be OK as long as the
filesystem is unmounted before using dump.
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| Matt Zimmerman 2004-01-24, 5:33 pm |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 01:31:03PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote:
quote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 10:19:14PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
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> Ah, yes, I always wonder why that's not part of base either.
It's part of standard, which seems much more appropriate.
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| Joshua Kwan 2004-01-24, 5:33 pm |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 10:15:43PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:quote:
> It's part of standard, which seems much more appropriate.
But why was more chosen to be installed by default and not less?
I think most of the Debian development community agrees that less is a
lot better.
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| Matt Zimmerman 2004-01-24, 5:33 pm |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 10:22:50PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote:
quote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 10:15:43PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
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> But why was more chosen to be installed by default and not less?
Because more is part of util-linux, which is Essential for other reasons.
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| Steve Kemp 2004-01-25, 1:34 am |
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One thing that I've not seen mentioned is 'screen'. That's essential
for me, as is 'deborphan' for keeping track of unnecessary packages.
Steve
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| Wouter Verhelst 2004-01-25, 3:34 am |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:11:12AM -0500, David B Harris wrote:quote:
> Hence this mail - I'm soliciting package lists from other Debian admins
> and developers/maintainers. What I'm looking for (given the small size
> of the target media) is the list of packages you, as a Debian admin,
> install on pretty much every machine you either use routinely or
> administer routinely regardless of what the purpose of the box is.
debfoster. I have a tendency to install, try, and remove again, a number
of applications I don't always need. Debfoster is perfect to track what
I installed manually, and what has been installed to satisfy
dependencies.
Some might point out the fact that aptitude does that job too, but
debfoster implements this particular niche away from any dpkg frontend
available in the archive, so leaves you with more of a choice in that
area.
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| Peter Palfrader 2004-01-25, 6:33 am |
| On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, David B Harris wrote:
quote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:11:12 -0500
> David B Harris <dbharris@eelf.ddts.net> wrote:
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> Just for reference, my list is at
> http://eelf.ddts.net/~dbharris/temp/used-package-list
I haven't seen mime-codecs being mentioned yet. I want to have
base64-encode and base64-decode which are in that package on all my
hosts.
screen, bc, and deborphan have already been mentioned.
Peter
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| Filippo Giunchedi 2004-01-26, 1:34 am |
| On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 02:20:28PM +0000, Steve Kemp wrote:quote:
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> One thing that I've not seen mentioned is 'screen'. That's essential
> for me, as is 'deborphan' for keeping track of unnecessary packages.
yeah screen IS essential, anyhow I successfully use aptitude in place of apt-get
and deborphan looks unnecessary if you use aptitude from the beginning (you
don't want to manually mark "auto" each lib or package or so, do you?) (no
flames about s/apt-get/aptitude/)
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| Jesus Climent 2004-01-29, 2:35 am |
| On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:11:12AM -0500, David B Harris wrote:quote:
> Hi.
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> Please Cc: dbharris-debian-packagelist@eelf.ddts.net with the list. If
> there's enough response, maybe I'll put together a pop-con-like listing,
> sort of a "Debian administrator's toolbox".
since http://eelf.ddts.net/~dbharris/temp/used-package-list is responding with
"forbidden" I cannot check if
ngrep
whois
mtr
iptraf
tcpdump
screen !!
strace
openvpn
ftp/ncftp
are in. Among many others.
J
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