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RFS: kmenc15 - An advanced Qt/KDE MEncoder frontend.
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| Oded Shimon 2004-10-24, 7:46 am |
| Hi.
This is no longer an RFS, I posted this RFS here quite a while ago, this is
now a "plea" for: What should I do?
My program is an MEncoder frontend which depends on MPlayer, if I am not
mistaken, that means it belongs in contrib. I have completed a Debian
package, have been looking for a sponsor for quite some time, I have tried
asking here, in debian-mentors, in several other relevant debian mailing
lists, and in the IRC channel, and got for it one useful reply, to contact
Marillat.
Thanks to him, my program is now up at the unofficial archives at
http://hpisi.nerim.net/ , for which I am very grateful.
My question is, at this point, is there any chance my program will be in the
official Debian archives (in section contrib)? Is there anything else I
should try to find a sponsor?...
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| Oded Shimon 2004-10-26, 5:51 pm |
| On Tuesday 26 October 2004 22:37, Shaun Jackman wrote:
> For your package to go in contrib, your dependency -- mplayer -- must
> exist in non-free.
Really? I didn't know this.
> Due to patent issues, mplayer cannot go in non-free
I've heard of that.. if possible, I'm curious what the "issues" are. Got a
link?
> [1]. Thus, your package cannot go in contrib. Your package can go in
> experimental/contrib, which has very little requirements.
Wait, when you said the thing about contrib and non-free, did you mean in
stable?
Can my package go in unstable/contrib? Becuase it depends on kde 3.3, which
AFAIK doesn't exist in either stable or experimental. Taht was my original
intention.
Thankyou for your reply.
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| Oded Shimon 2004-10-26, 5:51 pm |
| On Wednesday 27 October 2004 00:00, Shaun Jackman wrote:
> Sorry, no link. The basic issue, though, is that MPEG 1/2/4 encoding
> is encumbered by patents.
OK, so my question is, what about xine? How come xine can be in Debian? AFAIK
xine can open mpeg1 mpeg2 and mpeg4.
>
> No.
So, what you're saying, the 'experimental' actually has even less restrictions
than unstable? Heh. I understand.
If so, yeah, I guess its hopeless. Is the rumor that MPlayer will be in Debian
soon true?... Something about the issues being solved...
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| Daniel Burrows 2004-10-27, 2:49 am |
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| Oded Shimon 2004-10-27, 2:49 am |
| On Wednesday 27 October 2004 05:23, Daniel Burrows wrote:
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> That's not surprising. Policy says (section 2.2.2, "The contrib
> section"):
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> Examples of packages which would be included in contrib or non-US/contrib
> are:
>
> * free packages which require contrib, non-free packages or packages
> which are not in our archive at all for compilation or execution, and *
> wrapper packages or other sorts of free accessories for non-free programs.
OK, either I am misreading, or you just prooved me right:
> * free packages which require [..] packages which are not in our archive at
> all for compilation or execution
My program == free program
MPlayer == package which is not in the Debian archives at all.
According to that, MPlayer doesn't need to be in the Debian archives for my
program to be in contrib!...
Am I misunderstanding?..
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| Wouter Verhelst 2004-10-27, 7:48 am |
| On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:52:58PM +0200, Oded Shimon wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 October 2004 22:37, Shaun Jackman wrote:
> Really? I didn't know this.
That's not true. There are many packages in contrib which do not have
all their dependencies in non-free. E.g., the bunch of Java packages
which do not work with anything but a non-free Java compiler -- a java
compiler which Debian itself cannot distribute (and therefor is not in
non-free).
A package in main must not depend on any software outside of main, and
must be DFSG-free; A package in contrib must be DFSG-free; A package in
non-free must be legally distributable by Debian.
There are no further restrictions than the above.
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| Oded Shimon 2004-10-27, 7:48 am |
| On Wednesday 27 October 2004 11:05, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> That's not true. There are many packages in contrib which do not have
> all their dependencies in non-free. E.g., the bunch of Java packages
> which do not work with anything but a non-free Java compiler -- a java
> compiler which Debian itself cannot distribute (and therefor is not in
> non-free).
>
> A package in main must not depend on any software outside of main, and
> must be DFSG-free; A package in contrib must be DFSG-free; A package in
> non-free must be legally distributable by Debian.
>
> There are no further restrictions than the above.
Yup, thats exactly what I thought. In which case, my program does have a
chance to be in contrib. which brings me to my original question, what should
I do to find a sponsor?... I believe I've maxed out my available resources...
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| Ben Burton 2004-10-27, 7:48 am |
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> Yup, thats exactly what I thought. In which case, my program does have a
> chance to be in contrib. which brings me to my original question, what should
> I do to find a sponsor?... I believe I've maxed out my available resources...
It might be that you need to wait until you've gone through NM and can
upload on your own. Speaking only for myself, my time is limited and
sponsorship chews up a fair bit of time (checking over the packaging,
talking with the maintainer about what needs fixing, etc), and I'd
rather spend that time on packages that can go into main.
I don't know how many others feel the same, but if you're looking to go
through NM you may find more offers of help if you choose something in
main to train yourself on. Of course I may be wrong, just my thoughts
on the matter.
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| Erik Schanze 2004-10-27, 8:47 pm |
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| Christoffer Sawicki 2004-10-27, 8:47 pm |
| > According to that, MPlayer doesn't need to be in the Debian archives for my
> program to be in contrib!...
Yes, that's true. Please note that a package called `mozilla-mplayer' [0] is
in the Debian archive.
[0] http://packages.debian.org/unstable...mozilla-mplayer
*/ Christoffer Sawicki <qerub@home.se>
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| Shaun Jackman 2004-10-27, 8:47 pm |
| > That's not true. There are many packages in contrib which do not have
> all their dependencies in non-free. E.g., the bunch of Java packages
> which do not work with anything but a non-free Java compiler -- a java
> compiler which Debian itself cannot distribute (and therefor is not in
> non-free).
I maintain one of those packages, and it build-depends on
java2-compiler and depends on java2-runtime and java-virtual-machine.
All these dependencies are satisfiable in main/contrib. Java packages
are unique because most pacakages are architecture-all and are not
rebuilt. Now that I look at it, it doesn't seem entirely kosher, but
it works.
> A package in main must not depend on any software outside of main, and
> must be DFSG-free; A package in contrib must be DFSG-free; A package in
> non-free must be legally distributable by Debian.
>
> There are no further restrictions than the above.
Perhaps that's true -- I must do a little reading. However, if you
upload a package to contrib that build-depends on a package not in
contrib or non-free, you'll get a FTBFS RC bug filed against you
before you blink. To me, a package in contrib with an unfixable RC bug
should not be in the archive.
Cheers,
Shaun
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| Oded Shimon 2004-10-28, 7:49 am |
| On Thursday 28 October 2004 01:57, Shaun Jackman wrote:
>
> Perhaps that's true -- I must do a little reading. However, if you
> upload a package to contrib that build-depends on a package not in
> contrib or non-free, you'll get a FTBFS RC bug filed against you
> before you blink. To me, a package in contrib with an unfixable RC bug
> should not be in the archive.
My package build depends are all in main. As far as I can tell, yes, my
program belongs and has no problem being in contrib. Which brings me still
back to my original question which no one has yet to answer. What can I do to
find a sponsor?... I have almost given up hope...
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| Adeodato Simó 2004-10-28, 7:49 am |
| * Erik Schanze [Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:31:35 +0200]:
> If your program depends on MPlayer, it must go into non-free.
> If your program depends on a program in non-free, it must go into contrib.
> But MPlayer isn't even in non-free.
not exactly. packages in contrib can depend on packages not available
in Debian. see §2.2.2 of the Policy.
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| Ben Burton 2004-10-28, 7:49 am |
|
> However, if you
> upload a package to contrib that build-depends on a package not in
> contrib or non-free, you'll get a FTBFS RC bug filed against you
> before you blink.
Hmm, I didn't, back in the days when regina-normal built against java2
(which wasn't in the archive at the time). Though thankfully those days
are gone.
b.
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| Frank Küster 2004-10-28, 5:52 pm |
| Shaun Jackman <sjackman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps that's true -- I must do a little reading. However, if you
> upload a package to contrib that build-depends on a package not in
> contrib or non-free, you'll get a FTBFS RC bug filed against you
> before you blink.=20
Are there any (inofficial) buildds for contrib?
Regards, Frank
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| Oded Shimon 2004-10-28, 5:52 pm |
| On Thursday 28 October 2004 15:15, Thaddeus H. Black wrote:
> Hello Oded.
>
> <snip>
>
> Again, good luck. If and when you find an
> appropriate sponsor, let me know the good news.
Wow, honestly, that was some damn great advice...
And it does sound very accurate and I do understand it. I don't know if I will
follow through with it or not. I recently quit my job (good thing. fast
food...), so I have plenty of time on my hands, so I might, on the other
hand, I start army in less than 2 months (mandatory).
I understand Debian's interest in wanting people this serious and hard
working, and putting these "trials" for them... But I must admit, it almost
sounds not worth it for my project... :/ I simply developed kmenc15 myself
for fun, put it up on some sites, and thought, why not have it also up on my
favorite distro, and I never thought it would be something this complicated.
My package requires relatively very small amount of maintaining (grand total
of 100k including 90k of images  , and I have the obvious advantage of being
both the author and maintainer... For this reason I find the trials almost
pointless, as even a non-serious programmer can handle it.
Even though, for the pure cause of boredom, I might follow up on your very
great advice, I'd like to think of myself as someone serious enough to do
these things. I have no plan of becoming a DD though. I would only be very
proud to see my favorite program in my favorite GNU/Linux distro....
An honest Thankyou.
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| Wouter Verhelst 2004-10-28, 5:52 pm |
| On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 05:10:04PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> Shaun Jackman <sjackman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Are there any (inofficial) buildds for contrib?
None that I am aware of, at least.
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