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OT: Free Software and politics (Was: Re: *UNAPPROVED* dpkg nmu)
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| Mathieu Roy 2004-02-29, 1:33 pm |
| Marek Habersack <grendel@debian.org> wrote:
> Will you cut that bullshit? All of you? What the hell does politics do on a
> _developer's_ mailing list? First RMS stating that FSF/GNU was about
> politics and now, as if it wasn't bad enough, people jumping to each other's
> throats because of political (or rather pseudo-political) reasons. Grow up,
> please. Don't forget that all of us here are not governments, countries,
> nations etc. - we are developers supposed to work the XXXX together. So if
> you can't resist discussing (or shouting about, or mumbling, rambling,
> whatever) politics, ethnics, ideology and whatnot else - go and do it over
> the phone, on irc or in a pub. But do not let that affect this project and
> (yeah, big words, I know) the Open Source (_including_ FSF/GNU despite the
> RMS opinions).
Well, I agree that this list is not a good place to discuss
governmental internation policy, as it does not produce any goods.
But please, do not pretend Free Software has nothing to do with
politics. You can hide the truth behind the wording Open Source, but
computers are now a central part of our societies, and how computing
knowledge is shared (or not shared) have many many consequences on our
societies. And politics are about nothing but how societies are to be
ruled.
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| Marek Habersack 2004-02-29, 4:33 pm |
| On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 06:46:38PM +0100, Mathieu Roy scribbled:
> Marek Habersack <grendel@debian.org> wrote:
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> Well, I agree that this list is not a good place to discuss
> governmental internation policy, as it does not produce any goods.
Definitely
> But please, do not pretend Free Software has nothing to do with
> politics. You can hide the truth behind the wording Open Source, but
> computers are now a central part of our societies, and how computing
> knowledge is shared (or not shared) have many many consequences on our
> societies. And politics are about nothing but how societies are to be
> ruled.
I beg to differ. Maybe FSF or OSI or SPI or the Debian Project have
something to do with politics (I hope the latter doesn't, though), but
_software_ and creating software doesn't have ANYTHING to do with it. My
strictly personal opinion is that politics is mostly and usually about lies
and falsehood, I've never seen that in any C, Perl, PHP, C++ or PERL or any
other code. And I hope people writing the programs, the communities of
_programmers_ will stay that way - out of politics. And especially, that the
politicians will stay away from here.
thanks,
marek
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| Nano Nano 2004-02-29, 5:33 pm |
| On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 04:23:57PM -0500, Marek Habersack wrote:
> _software_ and creating software doesn't have ANYTHING to do with it. My
> strictly personal opinion is that politics is mostly and usually about lies
> and falsehood, I've never seen that in any C, Perl, PHP, C++ or PERL or any
It's scarier than that. Politics is mostly about people trying to do
the right thing and XXXXing it up. That is a far, far scarier thought
to digest then the fact that malevolence is involved.
There is no answer.
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| Marek Habersack 2004-02-29, 5:33 pm |
| On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 01:35:55PM -0800, Nano Nano scribbled:
> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 04:23:57PM -0500, Marek Habersack wrote:
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> It's scarier than that. Politics is mostly about people trying to do
> the right thing and XXXXing it up. That is a far, far scarier thought
> to digest then the fact that malevolence is involved.
I'm not sure I agree - errare humanum est - to err is human. Everybody has
the right to make mistakes, to XXXX something/anything up. But the key lies
in admitting to the mistake and LEARNING from it. Politicians, in my eye,
don't ever do that. That's scary. And it's even scarier that people allow
them to do it over and over again.
marek
p.s. let's move the topic out of this list, if you want to answer me, do it
in private, please.
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