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Re: [custom] Custom Debian Distros need the help from debian developers (continued)
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| Andreas Tille 2004-03-10, 8:34 am |
| I guess Mako will not complain if I bring this thead back onto the debian-devel
list...
In short about the contens of private discussion: IMHO concerns of Custom
Debian Distributions should be discussed in a separate list while Make loves
to use debian-devel...
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 12:08:46PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> AT> So why do we have these extra privat mails with several CCs?
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> Because you started a thread offlist! It was onlist until you took it
> off!
Yes - because I was afraid I'm off topic here. So let's people start
throwing stones at us. ;-)
> AT> I hate this and I expect more mails in CDD-issues which will bloat
> AT> debian-devel and on the other hands I expect people to subscribe who
> AT> would not like to read debian-devel ...
>
> That's a good point. This is why I think a mailing list will
> ultimately be a good idea. At this point, I still believe it will tend
> to distract from the type of larger project-wide educating we need to
> do. We're talking about defining processes by which we can make
> distributions *fully* within the Debian system. This may very well
> affect many, perhaps all, developers. Already many people (AJ for
> example) has gotten quite involved in conversations about the nature
> of CDDs but doesn't seem to have any interest in any CDD in
> particular.
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> AT> I hate to explain over and over explaining random people who have no
> AT> idea about CDDs in long threads. That's why I startet to write my
> AT> article and throw an RTFM on them.
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> I think you should consider drafting this on the Wiki or in a series
> of wiki pages. So far this has worked very well for letting other
> people contribute to the document.
Hmmmm, you mean http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian ?
I have to admit that I really want to be much more verbose and
that I do not really like this Wiki type of approach. I plan to
put my article about CDD which is written in debiandoc-sgml
http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...alks/paper-cdd/
into a CVS repositor on Alioth once it is ready and I think this
is a more solid resource of information. I was not only once asked
whether I could provide printable text of it (and I will for sure
once it is ready - there are all targets inside the Makefile). How
to do this reasonably with the Wiki (well, once it has real content -
currently it fits on about two pages of paper) ...
Kind regards
Andreas
> AT> Right, but sometimes I hesitate to use debian-devel because it might
> AT> be off topic.
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> As long as people are undoing the work of CDDs as a result of
> misunderstanding or ignorance (in the case of NTP), we need to errror
> on the side of over-educating people.
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> AT> To take the chance starting long threads of nonsense? Hmmm, I could
> AT> live without that.
>
> We could all live without nonsense. Actions taken out of ignornace
> lead to the same sorts of flamewars.
>
> Regards,
> Mako
>
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> Benjamin Mako Hill
> mako@debian.org
> http://mako.yukidoke.org/
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| Andreas Tille 2004-03-13, 2:33 am |
| On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> I'm willing to host it in an open CVS repository straight away. Lets
> talk offlist about the details.
I hope for Alioth in a couple of days ..
> Is there a reason it's debiandoc and not DocBook SGML or XML? If not,
> I'd be happy to do the conversion.
Well my first paper about Debian-Med
http://people.debian.org/~tille/debian-med/talks/paper/
is in linuxdoc. I had to convert it into XML with a certain
for LinuxTag. I feltt not really happy with both formats.
So I had a look at what other Debian develoers do for this purpose
in terms of Custom Debian Distributions. The only available
document was the subproject-howto and it was written in debiandoc.
The only missing feature is a <figure> tag (bug #140684). As usual
Debian tools are relieable and good work and it seems to me apropriate
to uses debiandoc for Debian related documentation. But if there are
good reasons to use other formats I would not complain if someone
has enouth time to convert this to any other format. My only condition
for accepting a conversion is that also the Makefile will be convertet
and is able to produce *all* contained targets with free tools.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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