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[OT] 'real'-names vs. nicks (was Re: Proposal: /etc/friendlynames)
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| cobaco 2004-03-26, 1:42 pm |
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On 2004-03-26 15:17, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Number Six (40311.nospam@comcast.net) [040326 14:55]:
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> My default is to ignore people without a real name.
Name (according to gcide)
1. The title by which any person or thing is known or
designated; a distinctive specific appellation, whether of
an individual or a class.
[1913 Webster]
Personally I prefer to use my screenname and not my 'real' name when online=
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Belgians named 'Bart Cornelis', I have yet to run into another 'cobaco')
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| Colin Watson 2004-03-26, 1:42 pm |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:40:42PM +0100, cobaco wrote:
> What makes a name real (in my eyes) is the fact that it clearly
> designates 1 specific person, whether the particular name is
> recognized and archived by your respective government is completely
> irrelevant for most all practical purposes (legal matters being the
> only exception I can think of).
Tom Ballard changes his From: line every time people get used to it, so
I don't think this really applies to him.
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| Number Six 2004-03-26, 1:42 pm |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:23:30PM +0000, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:40:42PM +0100, cobaco wrote:
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> Tom Ballard changes his From: line every time people get used to it, so
> I don't think this really applies to him.
I don't think the fact that I change my nick is what really bothers you.
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| Tom Ballard 2004-03-26, 1:42 pm |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:39:31AM -0800, Number Six wrote:
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> I don't think the fact that I change my nick is what really bothers you.
I'll just use my real name from now on. It was fun but there's no point
in pissing everybody else off. I'd rather get my packages in.
Colin has been too nice to me in the past for me to just piss him off
pointless. I'm sorry.
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| cobaco 2004-03-26, 1:43 pm |
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On 2004-03-26 16:23, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:40:42PM +0100, cobaco wrote:
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> Tom Ballard changes his From: line every time people get used to it, so
> I don't think this really applies to him.
ah, ok that's definately annoying
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| Colin Watson 2004-03-26, 1:43 pm |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:52:13AM -0800, Tom Ballard wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:39:31AM -0800, Number Six wrote:
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> I'll just use my real name from now on. It was fun but there's no point
> in pissing everybody else off. I'd rather get my packages in.
>
> Colin has been too nice to me in the past for me to just piss him off
> pointless. I'm sorry.
Thank you.
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| Michael Banck 2004-03-26, 2:38 pm |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:40:42PM +0100, cobaco wrote:
> On 2004-03-26 15:17, Andreas Barth wrote:
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> Name (according to gcide)
> 1. The title by which any person or thing is known or
> designated; a distinctive specific appellation, whether of
> an individual or a class.
> [1913 Webster]
>
> Personally I prefer to use my screenname and not my 'real' name when online,
> in my experience it is _more_ distinctive (I remember searching on the
> icq-site for my icq-number back some years back, there where 6 other
> Belgians named 'Bart Cornelis', I have yet to run into another 'cobaco')
To be honest, I feel a strong urge to associate 'cobaco' with 'some
luser who can be safely ignored', while 'Bart Cornelis' definetely rings
a bell and respect. And looking at my GPG-key now, I realize we've met
in real life.
I don't want to diss you or your screen-name here, I'm not even
subscribed to -devel right now, so I can't really tell your level of
expertise. But the long track record of people having only alias names
being incompetent is somehow hardwired in my brain by now.
I think mako handles that screen-name/real-name stuff about right, he
keeps a link to his real name but is known as mako pretty much
everywhere.
Anyway, that's just my personal opinion, others will probably be able to
better keep you apart from the rest.
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| Branden Robinson 2004-03-27, 3:33 am |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:40:42PM +0100, cobaco wrote:
> Personally I prefer to use my screenname and not my 'real' name when online,
> in my experience it is _more_ distinctive (I remember searching on the
> icq-site for my icq-number back some years back, there where 6 other
> Belgians named 'Bart Cornelis', I have yet to run into another 'cobaco')
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> What makes a name real (in my eyes) is the fact that it clearly designates 1
> specific person, whether the particular name is recognized and archived by
> your respective government is completely irrelevant for most all practical
> purposes (legal matters being the only exception I can think of).
What's wrong with
From: Bart "cobaco" Cornelis
?
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| Branden Robinson 2004-03-27, 3:33 am |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:52:13AM -0800, Tom Ballard wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:39:31AM -0800, Number Six wrote:
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> I'll just use my real name from now on.
Thanks for doing this, and please stick to this commitment.
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| William Ballard 2004-03-27, 6:35 am |
| On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 02:56:29AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:52:13AM -0800, Tom Ballard wrote:
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> Thanks for doing this, and please stick to this commitment.
I'd just as soon be in your killfile anyway Branden.
Colin just said "thanks."
Meanwhile, I want to nice up my rep. here to the eventual point of
getting somebody to accept my packages and all that, but let me just
make it clear I'm perfectly happy not conversing with *you*.
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| Hamish Moffatt 2004-03-27, 9:34 am |
| On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:52:13AM -0800, Tom Ballard wrote:
> I'll just use my real name from now on. It was fun but there's no point
> in pissing everybody else off. I'd rather get my packages in.
But then you've said you have two real names. Will you be sticking with
Tom or using William on occasion?
Is anyone sponsoring uploads from this guy? Is there a dpkg feature
which will allow me to prevent packages from certain maintainers being
installed? Should there be?
Hamish
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| William Ballard 2004-03-27, 6:34 pm |
| On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:45:28AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:52:13AM -0800, Tom Ballard wrote:
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> But then you've said you have two real names. Will you be sticking with
> Tom or using William on occasion?
Just call me William, I'll use it in my From line.
When one has a suffix after one's name, and goes by one's middle name,
and both first name and middle name have four abbreviations (Will,
Willie, Bill, Billy, William, Thomas, Thom, Tom, Tommy), one will tend
to put much less faith in the "Display Form" of a name. I've seen every
possible permutation used by some company or agency, including American
Express with the misspelling Willaim, which totally screwed up
self-service checkins.
That's actually one of the fields I track in my PIM: how I am known by
each account, because nobody can find me otherwise.
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| David Palmer 2004-03-27, 8:33 pm |
| William Ballard wrote:
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>: how I am known by
>each account, because nobody can find me otherwise.
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Not being facetious at all, but you're not in danger of losing yourself
are you, Tom?
Regards,
David.
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| William Ballard 2004-03-27, 9:34 pm |
| On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:37:30AM +0800, David Palmer wrote:
> William Ballard wrote:
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> Not being facetious at all, but you're not in danger of losing yourself
> are you, Tom?
I hope you lot are going to give this guy what for trying to start a new
OT thread on -devel.
Call me William.
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| Branden Robinson 2004-03-29, 3:36 pm |
| On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 03:20:28AM -0800, William Ballard wrote:
> I'd just as soon be in your killfile anyway Branden.
I don't have one.
> Colin just said "thanks."
Is there a problem with people seconding that? (I hadn't seen his
message at the time I wrote mine, anyway.)
> Meanwhile, I want to nice up my rep. here to the eventual point of
> getting somebody to accept my packages and all that, but let me just
> make it clear I'm perfectly happy not conversing with *you*.
Well, that will probably "nice up your rep[utation]" here among *some*
people, anyway, so you're off to a good start. ;-)
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