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Re: taking over elm-me+
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| Martin Michlmayr 2004-01-25, 4:34 am |
| * John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> [2002-04-09 09:48]:quote:
> I am no longer able to maintain this package well; please take it
> over if you use it.
* Bas Zoetekouw <bas@a-eskwadraat.nl> [2002-07-26 13:58]:quote:
> I'd be happy to take over this package.
So is anyone going to adopt this package, or can it safely be removed
(with mutt around, etc)?
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| Jaldhar H. Vyas 2004-01-25, 8:34 am |
| On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
quote:
> * John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> [2002-04-09 09:48]:
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> * Bas Zoetekouw <bas@a-eskwadraat.nl> [2002-07-26 13:58]:
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> So is anyone going to adopt this package, or can it safely be removed
> (with mutt around, etc)?
>
My wife needs this so I'd willing to make NMUs but I don't have time to
maintain it full time.
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| Bas Zoetekouw 2004-01-25, 9:34 am |
| Hi Martin!
You wrote:
quote:
> * Bas Zoetekouw <bas@a-eskwadraat.nl> [2002-07-26 13:58]:
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> So is anyone going to adopt this package, or can it safely be removed
> (with mutt around, etc)?
Hmm, I still use fastmail, which is in the elm-me+ package, iirc.
Maybe I should just strip it from the package and package it seperately.
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| Bas Zoetekouw 2004-01-25, 9:34 am |
| Hi Martin!
You wrote:
quote:
> Hmm, I still use fastmail, which is in the elm-me+ package, iirc.
> Maybe I should just strip it from the package and package it seperately.
OK, it looks like mail and mailx provide the same functionality as
fastmail, so I'm not interested in adopting this package. Feel free to
have it removed.
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| John Goerzen 2004-01-25, 1:34 pm |
| On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 05:48:35PM +0000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:quote:
> * John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> [2002-04-09 09:48]:
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> * Bas Zoetekouw <bas@a-eskwadraat.nl> [2002-07-26 13:58]:
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> So is anyone going to adopt this package, or can it safely be removed
> (with mutt around, etc)?
Its maintainer is set to the QA group these days. I haven't used it
since before that message you cite. I have no idea how many people use
it. It is probably safe to assume that, functionality wise, it has
little if any features not present in mutt.
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| Steve Greenland 2004-01-26, 5:34 am |
| On 25-Jan-04, 15:40 (CST), "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar@debian.org> wrote:quote:
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> My wife needs this so I'd willing to make NMUs but I don't have time to
> maintain it full time.
Has she tried mutt? I know that MUA choice is quite personal, but as a
former elm-me+ user, mutt is a really nice continuation.
Or is there a specific feature in elm-me+ that's not in mutt?
Steve, amazed that elm-me+ is still around.
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| John Goerzen 2004-01-26, 5:34 am |
| On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 08:48:15AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:quote:
> On 25-Jan-04, 15:40 (CST), "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar@debian.org> wrote:
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> Has she tried mutt? I know that MUA choice is quite personal, but as a
> former elm-me+ user, mutt is a really nice continuation.
I can attest to that, though I did have to do more tweaking to make mutt
work the way I liked.
quote:
> Or is there a specific feature in elm-me+ that's not in mutt?
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> Steve, amazed that elm-me+ is still around.
Just be glad it's not still the original elm. :-)
elm-me+ may even still be maintained upstream.
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| Jaldhar H. Vyas 2004-01-26, 8:34 am |
| On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Steve Greenland wrote:
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> On 25-Jan-04, 15:40 (CST), "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar@debian.org> wrote:
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> Has she tried mutt? I know that MUA choice is quite personal, but as a
> former elm-me+ user, mutt is a really nice continuation.
>
I installed it for her a while back but she still seems to be using elm.
Probably for the same reason I still use pine i.e. sheer inertia.
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| Martin Michlmayr 2004-01-26, 9:34 am |
| * Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar@debian.org> [2004-01-26 16:37]:quote:
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> I installed it for her a while back but she still seems to be using elm.
> Probably for the same reason I still use pine i.e. sheer inertia.
To be honest, after reading this thread, I'm leaning towards just
removing elm-me+. If your wife really wants to continue using it, you
can just keep the old .deb around. I switched to Mutt in 1996, so I
didn't follow elm-me*, but I thought it had been dead for quite a
while, so keeping it in Debian probably doesn't make much sense.
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| Jaldhar H. Vyas 2004-01-26, 11:34 am |
| On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
quote:
> To be honest, after reading this thread, I'm leaning towards just
> removing elm-me+. If your wife really wants to continue using it, you
> can just keep the old .deb around. I switched to Mutt in 1996, so I
> didn't follow elm-me*, but I thought it had been dead for quite a
> while, so keeping it in Debian probably doesn't make much sense.
>
According to Freshmeat the last update was yesterday so it's not quite
dead yet!
I tell you what I'll do an NMU bringing it up to the latest version and
fixing the existing bugs (there's only 5 none of which are release
critical.) Then can we keep it?
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| Martin Michlmayr 2004-01-26, 12:34 pm |
| * Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar@debian.org> [2004-01-26 19:01]:quote:
> According to Freshmeat the last update was yesterday so it's not
> quite dead yet!
>
> Then can we keep it?
OK then.
(But please give mutt a try anyway!)
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| Nathan Poznick 2004-01-26, 2:33 pm |
| Thus spake Tollef Fog Heen:quote:
> elm-me+ has /usr/bin/frm, though; is there some replacement for that
> functionality?
GNU mailutils also contains an /usr/bin/frm, though the dependancies of
mailutils are somewhat more numerous than those of elm-me+ (which is why
I've used the frm from elm-me+). Does anyone know if the frm from
mailutils contains any interesting functionality to differ it from the
elm-me+ one?
elm-me+:
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.3.20021109-1),
libssl0.9.6, exim | mail-transport-agent
mailutils:
Depends: guile-1.6-libs, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3),
libgcrypt7, libgdbm3, libgnutls10 (>= 1.0.0-0), libgpg-error0 (>= 0.6),
libgsasl1, libguile-ltdl-1, libidn11, libkrb53 (>= 1.3), libltdl3 (>=
1.5-3), libmailutils0 (>> 1:0.4+20040116), libmysqlclient10, libncurses5
(>= 5.3.20030510-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libqthreads-12, libreadline4
(>= 4.3-1), libtasn1-2, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
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| Colin Watson 2004-01-26, 2:33 pm |
| On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 03:57:37AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:quote:
> * Martin Michlmayr
> | To be honest, after reading this thread, I'm leaning towards just
> | removing elm-me+. If your wife really wants to continue using it, you
> | can just keep the old .deb around. I switched to Mutt in 1996, so I
> | didn't follow elm-me*, but I thought it had been dead for quite a
> | while, so keeping it in Debian probably doesn't make much sense.
>
> elm-me+ has /usr/bin/frm, though; is there some replacement for that
> functionality?
There's an implementation of frm in mailutils.
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| Marc Wilson 2004-01-26, 2:33 pm |
| On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 12:56:11PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:quote:
> elm-me+ may even still be maintained upstream.
Last I looked, it was. I think there was even a release recently.
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| David Weinehall 2004-02-09, 8:35 am |
| On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 03:57:37AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Martin Michlmayr
>
> | To be honest, after reading this thread, I'm leaning towards just
> | removing elm-me+. If your wife really wants to continue using it, you
> | can just keep the old .deb around. I switched to Mutt in 1996, so I
> | didn't follow elm-me*, but I thought it had been dead for quite a
> | while, so keeping it in Debian probably doesn't make much sense.
>
> elm-me+ has /usr/bin/frm, though; is there some replacement for that
> functionality?
The next release of lsmbox will likely contain frm functionality.
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| Martin Michlmayr 2004-03-24, 5:20 pm |
| * tbm <tbm@cyrius.com> [2004-01-27 01:11]:
> * Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar@debian.org> [2004-01-26 19:01]:
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> OK then.
I don't think you've actually uploaded it?
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| Matt Zimmerman 2004-03-24, 5:20 pm |
| On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 05:35:11PM +0000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * tbm <tbm@cyrius.com> [2004-01-27 01:11]:
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> I don't think you've actually uploaded it?
Do we really need this package? The code is old and crufty, likely to have
lurking vulnerabilities, and there are much better alternatives available.
Let's not keep it just for its own sake. Does it fill a need?
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| Martin Michlmayr 2004-03-24, 5:20 pm |
| * Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org> [2004-03-24 09:59]:
> Let's not keep it just for its own sake. Does it fill a need?
No, just users reluctant of switching to better alternatives.
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| Jaldhar H. Vyas 2004-03-25, 12:35 am |
| On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * tbm <tbm@cyrius.com> [2004-01-27 01:11]:
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> I don't think you've actually uploaded it?
>
No and I'm afraid it doesn't look like I'm going to anytime soon either.
So unless there is someone else willing to save it, I guess it will have
to go.
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