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New nail package -- parts of documentation with unclear license
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| Hilko Bengen 2004-03-19, 8:35 pm |
| Good evening,
nail 10.7 includes some ducomentation from seemingly non-free sources.
The COPYING file includes the following lines which lead me to the
conclusion that this documentation can't be included in Debian main:
The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers and The Open
Group, have given us permission to reprint portions of their
documentation.
In the following statement, the phrase ``this text'' refers to
portions of the system documentation.
Portions of this text are reprinted and reproduced in electronic
form in the 'nail' mail user agent, from IEEE Std 1003.1, 2003
Edition, Standard for Information Technology -- Portable Operating
System Interface (POSIX), The Open Group Base Specifications Issue
6, Copyright (C) 2001-2003 by the Institute of Electrical and
Electronics Engineers, Inc and The Open Group. In the event of any
discrepancy between these versions and the original IEEE and The
Open Group Standard, the original IEEE and The Open Group Standard
is the referee document.
How do I go about the upload? Do I have to remove the parts of the
documentation from the .orig.tar.gz, or is a diff that removes those
enough?
-Hilko
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| Simon Law 2004-03-19, 8:35 pm |
| On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:29:30AM +0100, Hilko Bengen wrote:
> How do I go about the upload? Do I have to remove the parts of the
> documentation from the .orig.tar.gz, or is a diff that removes those
> enough?
You'll want to remove those parts from the .orig.tar.gz.
We cannot ship non-free components in main, even as source.
Simon
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| Henning Makholm 2004-03-19, 8:35 pm |
| Scripsit Hilko Bengen <bengen@debian.org>
> The COPYING file includes the following lines which lead me to the
> conclusion that this documentation can't be included in Debian main:
That conclusion appears to be right.
> How do I go about the upload? Do I have to remove the parts of the
> documentation from the .orig.tar.gz, or is a diff that removes those
> enough?
You'll need to repackage the original source as an .orig.tar.gz file
yourself. The DFSG applies to the contents of source and binary
packages alike.
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| Hilko Bengen 2004-04-01, 7:40 am |
| Hilko Bengen <bengen@debian.org> writes:
> nail 10.7 includes some ducomentation from seemingly non-free
> sources. The COPYING file includes the following lines which lead me
> to the conclusion that this documentation can't be included in
> Debian main:
>
> The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers and The Open
> Group, have given us permission to reprint portions of their
> documentation.
>
> In the following statement, the phrase ``this text'' refers to
> portions of the system documentation.
>
> Portions of this text are reprinted and reproduced in electronic
> form in the 'nail' mail user agent, from IEEE Std 1003.1, 2003
> Edition, Standard for Information Technology -- Portable Operating
> System Interface (POSIX), The Open Group Base Specifications Issue
> 6, Copyright (C) 2001-2003 by the Institute of Electrical and
> Electronics Engineers, Inc and The Open Group. In the event of any
> discrepancy between these versions and the original IEEE and The
> Open Group Standard, the original IEEE and The Open Group Standard
> is the referee document.
>
> How do I go about the upload? Do I have to remove the parts of the
> documentation from the .orig.tar.gz, or is a diff that removes those
> enough?
After mail exchange with the upstream author, I have come to the
conclusion that it would be ok to include the documentation beacuae it
is still legal to modify the software and documentation in every
aspect, as long as the POSIX copyright notice is not removed from the
documentaion (manpage).
I'll upload nail 10.7-1 with unmodified upstream source if nobody
objects.
-Hilko
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| Henning Makholm 2004-04-01, 5:35 pm |
| Scripsit Hilko Bengen <bengen@debian.org>
> Hilko Bengen <bengen@debian.org> writes:
[...]
[color=darkred]
> After mail exchange with the upstream author, I have come to the
> conclusion that it would be ok to include the documentation beacuae it
> is still legal to modify the software and documentation in every
> aspect, as long as the POSIX copyright notice is not removed from the
> documentaion (manpage).
Do you have an actual statement from IEEE that shows that they are
okay with modifications of the text they have contributed?
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| Hilko Bengen 2004-04-07, 5:35 am |
| Henning Makholm <henning@makholm.net> writes:
> Do you have an actual statement from IEEE that shows that they are
> okay with modifications of the text they have contributed?
The text has been included into the nail manpage and it's not easily
possible to tell what those portions are.
Unless I misunderstand the IEEE copyright notice, modification is not
prohibited.
-Hilko
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| Henning Makholm 2004-04-07, 6:41 am |
| Scripsit Hilko Bengen
> Henning Makholm <henning@makholm.net> writes:
[color=darkred]
> Unless I misunderstand the IEEE copyright notice, modification is not
> prohibited.
Modification is *always* prohibited, unless the copyright holder
*explicitly* permits it. The IEEE copyright notice that has been
posted here does not explicitly permit modification. Hence, it is not
allowed.
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