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| Marco d'Itri 2004-03-30, 4:33 am |
| I propose to:
- remove pppoe and pppoeconf
(Modern ppp releases include the pppoe pluging, which works better,
making the pppoe package obsolete.)
- add module-init-tools
(If modutils is in base m-i-t should too.)
- remove telnetd in favour of either telnetd-ssl or ssh
(This should be obvious.)
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| Bastian Blank 2004-03-30, 4:33 am |
| On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> - remove telnetd in favour of either telnetd-ssl or ssh
> (This should be obvious.)
d-i needs support for installs over ssh first. Otherwise s390 needs to
have telnetd into the base system.
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| Michael Banck 2004-03-30, 5:36 am |
| On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 11:21:46AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
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> d-i needs support for installs over ssh first. Otherwise s390 needs to
> have telnetd into the base system.
s390|s390x)
base="$base s390-tools telnetd devfsd"
It's only in base for s390 anyway. People who install s390 usually know
what they are doing, so I don't believe this to warrant a change in
debootstrap at this point.
Dunno about ppp.
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| Goswin von Brederlow 2004-03-30, 6:36 am |
| Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> writes:
> I propose to:
>
> - remove pppoe and pppoeconf
> (Modern ppp releases include the pppoe pluging, which works better,
> making the pppoe package obsolete.)
Last time I tried the kernel pppoe my DSL was baned for a day. Anyone
else have that effect? (germany, T-online)
I changed the mac (switched the dsl modem to another computer) for the
test which might have triggered the ban.
MfG
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| Riku Voipio 2004-03-30, 8:35 am |
| On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> - remove telnetd in favour of either telnetd-ssl or ssh
While we are at it, can we get rid of netkit-inetd too?
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| Andres Salomon 2004-03-30, 12:35 pm |
| On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:33:50 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> I propose to:
>
> - remove pppoe and pppoeconf
> (Modern ppp releases include the pppoe pluging, which works better,
> making the pppoe package obsolete.)
>
> - add module-init-tools
> (If modutils is in base m-i-t should too.)
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> - remove telnetd in favour of either telnetd-ssl or ssh
> (This should be obvious.)
Also, libdevmapper1.00 needs to be added to base, as lilo depends upon it..
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| Marco d'Itri 2004-03-30, 12:35 pm |
| On Mar 30, Goswin von Brederlow <brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
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> Last time I tried the kernel pppoe my DSL was baned for a day. Anyone
> else have that effect? (germany, T-online)
>
> I changed the mac (switched the dsl modem to another computer) for the
> test which might have triggered the ban.
I don't think your problem is related to the change because the code
used is almost the same.
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| Marco d'Itri 2004-03-30, 12:35 pm |
| On Mar 30, Riku Voipio <riku.voipio@iki.fi> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> While we are at it, can we get rid of netkit-inetd too?
Sure, you just need to write a new update-inetd for netbase.
(If you do not know why then ask aj about it, if you are brave enough.)
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| Colin Watson 2004-03-30, 12:35 pm |
| On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 11:41:46AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:33:50 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Does anything in d-i rely on these being there?
[color=darkred]
This is probably low-impact, but verification with a modified
debootstrap and a locally-built d-i would be useful.
[color=darkred]
Already discussed on -devel. If s390 wants ssh preinstalled for
base-config then it should probably apt-install it from d-i, since it'll
need to configure it appropriately anyway.
[color=darkred]
> Also, libdevmapper1.00 needs to be added to base, as lilo depends upon it..
As I've just said in private mail, this is unnecessary since
lilo-installer apt-installs lilo and so pulls in the dependency
automatically. Versions of lilo depending on libdevmapper1.00 have been
in testing for some time without problems.
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| Christopher Martin 2004-03-30, 1:34 pm |
| On March 30, 2004 03:33 am, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> I propose to:
>
> - remove pppoe and pppoeconf
> (Modern ppp releases include the pppoe pluging, which works better,
> making the pppoe package obsolete.)
How would the user then configure their PPPoE connection? pppoeconf makes
this task very easy, but it doesn't use the pppd pppoe plug-in, from what
I've seen as a user. Assuming I'm not missing some other provided tool,
removing pppoe (and therefore pppoeconf) would be a serious blow to
ease-of-use, at least until pppoeconf is modified to use the support
offered by the ppp package.
> - add module-init-tools
> (If modutils is in base m-i-t should too.)
Absolutely. Somewhat related, how does dhcp-client work with the 2.6
kernels? There are reports open against it (188546, 224354) which suggest
that it doesn't work at all with 2.6. I myself had such a problem some
months ago, and so switched to dhcp3-client (which has other problems,
but more or less works in most circumstances).
Christopher Martin
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| Thiemo Seufer 2004-03-30, 2:38 pm |
| Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 11:41:46AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
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> Does anything in d-i rely on these being there?
No, but this is simply because there is no pppoe support in d-i yet.
Thiemo
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| Marco d'Itri 2004-03-30, 6:37 pm |
| On Mar 30, Christopher Martin <christopher.martin@utoronto.ca> wrote:
> How would the user then configure their PPPoE connection? pppoeconf makes
> this task very easy, but it doesn't use the pppd pppoe plug-in, from what
> I've seen as a user. Assuming I'm not missing some other provided tool,
> removing pppoe (and therefore pppoeconf) would be a serious blow to
> ease-of-use, at least until pppoeconf is modified to use the support
> offered by the ppp package.
Who cares? Fix pppoeconf if you care about it, but don't encourage users
to use pppoe which is deprecated.
It's not like copying /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples/peers-pppoe to
/etc/ppp/peers/ and adding the username there is hard anyway.
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| Marco d'Itri 2004-03-30, 6:37 pm |
| On Mar 30, Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> wrote:
> Does anything in d-i rely on these being there?
No, but:
- there is a ppp-udeb package (which almost works except for the debconf
part which I do not know how to finish writing!)
- it's *very* important that ppp is at least available in the 20 MB
image because many people need it for netinstall
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| Christopher Martin 2004-03-30, 7:34 pm |
| On March 30, 2004 04:47 pm, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 30, Christopher Martin <christopher.martin@utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> Who cares? Fix pppoeconf if you care about it, but don't encourage
> users to use pppoe which is deprecated.
> It's not like copying /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples/peers-pppoe to
> /etc/ppp/peers/ and adding the username there is hard anyway.
For "deprecated" software, it seems to work for most people. And while of
course you could simply ask our users to edit several ppp config files to
get their Internet working, you could also provide them the much easier
option of using pppoeconf. What would be gained by denying them this
option? 88k from the base install. Wow.
Of course, in an ideal world, pppoeconf would be modified to configure
pppd directly. Indeed, several people have volunteered to work on
pppoeconf, and I'll be sure to mention this issue to them. Until then,
please leave pppoe (and pppoeconf) where they are.
Christopher Martin
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| Stefano Zacchiroli 2004-03-31, 2:35 am |
| On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 12:21:23PM -0500, Christopher Martin wrote:
> How would the user then configure their PPPoE connection? pppoeconf makes
> this task very easy, but it doesn't use the pppd pppoe plug-in, from what
> I've seen as a user. Assuming I'm not missing some other provided tool,
A week ago I found myself in the situation you describe: have to
configure a DSL without pppoeconf. It turned out that the sample ppp
configuration file for DSL providers in /etc/ppp/ was perfect. I just
need to rename it to /etc/ppp/options and add the relevant
authentication information in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets.
Maybe we can set up a tool to automate this process, but ATM it isn't
worst than a non-DSL ppp set up.
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| Marc Haber 2004-03-31, 3:35 am |
| On 30 Mar 2004 13:27:09 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
<brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
>Last time I tried the kernel pppoe my DSL was baned for a day. Anyone
>else have that effect? (germany, T-online)
T-Online bans accounts that repeatedly try to log in with an invalid
password. Until a few years ago, you would have needed to fax in a
request for unbanning.
Greetings
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| Marco d'Itri 2004-03-31, 5:34 am |
| On Mar 30, Thiemo Seufer <ica2_ts@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
> No, but this is simply because there is no pppoe support in d-i yet.
It's in the ppp-udeb.udeb package, what's missing is the part of the
postinst script which asks a few questions with debconf. (Is *anybody*
willing to help me with this? Please?)
(And anyway there is much more than pppoe, which cannot be supported by
d-i for different reasons.)
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| John Hasler 2004-03-31, 8:40 am |
| Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> Maybe we can set up a tool to automate this process, but ATM it isn't
> worst than a non-DSL ppp set up.
I will try to get this into pppconfig before the release. I have been
reluctant to do so before this because I had the impression that pppoeconf
was adequate and because I have no way to test it.
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| Patrice Fortier 2004-03-31, 10:40 am |
| Le mar 30/03/2004 à 18:14, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Mar 30, Riku Voipio <riku.voipio@iki.fi> wrote:
>
[color=darkred]
> Sure, you just need to write a new update-inetd for netbase.
> (If you do not know why then ask aj about it, if you are brave enough.)
Before bothering him, do you have any hint on where we could find
informations and flam^Wdiscussions about this?
I saw this:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-deve...4/msg00075.html
but I guess it's totally outdated.
Regards,
Patrice.
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| Matthias Urlichs 2004-03-31, 3:38 pm |
| Hi, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Last time I tried the kernel pppoe my DSL was baned for a day. Anyone else
> have that effect? (germany, T-online)
Wrong password, unrelated to which flavor of pppoe you're using.
I had to go back to the deprecated version for a few hours last month when
my gateway's power supply broke down. There were absolutely no problems
either way, both worked perfectly, though if you don't have a pre-built
setup available the in-kernel driver IMHO is somewhat easier to configure
correctly.
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| Goswin von Brederlow 2004-03-31, 7:35 pm |
| Matthias Urlichs <smurf@smurf.noris.de> writes:
> Hi, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>
>
> Wrong password, unrelated to which flavor of pppoe you're using.
>
> I had to go back to the deprecated version for a few hours last month when
> my gateway's power supply broke down. There were absolutely no problems
> either way, both worked perfectly, though if you don't have a pre-built
> setup available the in-kernel driver IMHO is somewhat easier to configure
> correctly.
How so? Looks both pretty much the same for me:
Replace
pty "pppoe -I eth1 -T 80"
with (from memory)
plugin /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.2/rp-pppoe.so
eth1
Or am I doing something wrong chaning from user mode to kernel mode?
MfG
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| Nathanael Nerode 2004-04-04, 6:34 am |
| Marco d'Itri wrote:
> I propose to:
>
> - remove pppoe and pppoeconf
> (Modern ppp releases include the pppoe pluging, which works better,
> making the pppoe package obsolete.)
>
> - add module-init-tools
> (If modutils is in base m-i-t should too.)
module-init tools absolutely should be in base.
> - remove telnetd in favour of either telnetd-ssl or ssh
> (This should be obvious.)
Actually, none of these should be in base.
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