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| Andreas Tille 2004-03-31, 4:34 am |
| Hi,
a new package cdd (binary packages cdd-dev and cdd-common) is in the
incoming queue and will (hopefully) enter unstable soon. The documentation
according to this at
http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...ml#s-med_common
was updated. For the impatient, the sources of the cdd packages are
available via CVS in
http://cvs.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bi...on/?cvsroot=cdd
Moreover I want to say that I'm optimistic that a CDD mailing liste will
be created soon and this kind of information will be moved there. I plan
to foreward some of the last mails to debian-devel then to get it archived.
Once this is done I'll prepare an offical announcement.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Free Ekanayaka 2004-03-31, 12:39 pm |
| >>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:54:54 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen <pere@hungry.com> said:
Petter> Andreas, I must say that I am very pleased with the work
Petter> you are doing
Mee too, I'm happy to see that things are moving 
Petter> , and that I plan to look more deeply into it
Petter> and give feedback when I get my head above water. At the
Petter> moment I am unable to keep up with the inflow of email,
Petter> and all the tasks left for both Debian Edu, NUUG and Work,
Petter> so I just trust you to do the right thing without my
Petter> input.
I've similar problems :/. I've checked out the CVS tree of the cdd
project, but I didn't find the time to look inside. I think I'll do it
the next week.
Petter> I look forward to testing your updated control file
Petter> generation script with debian-edu.
Petter> I also look forward to test the results from the
Petter> discsussion about how to make a live CD.
Which discussion? I'm really interested on the subject..
Cheers,
Free Ekanayaka
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| Andreas Tille 2004-03-31, 3:38 pm |
| On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:
> I've similar problems :/. I've checked out the CVS tree of the cdd
> project, but I didn't find the time to look inside. I think I'll do it
> the next week.
Just talk about this to people. I'm sure we can attract more people
currently beeing outside of Debian if they catch the idea ...
> Which discussion? I'm really interested on the subject..
http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...n.html#s-liveCD
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Sergio Talens-Oliag 2004-03-31, 4:36 pm |
| El Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 09:41:36PM +0200, Andreas Tille escribió:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:
>
> Just talk about this to people. I'm sure we can attract more people
> currently beeing outside of Debian if they catch the idea ...
>
> http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...n.html#s-liveCD
I'm still very interested in the CDDs and all the work Andreas is
doing, but I've been quite busy lately.
I'll try to cach up with the documents and code that is beeing written
and see what I can do to help.
By the way, I sent an e-mail to the meta-distros mailing list some time
ago and asked them to enter in the LiveCD disscusion we started, but
the answer from the main project leader was that the objectives of
Metadistros are not similar to the ones of the Debian-Knoppix project
and that they can't be joined for several reasons.
In his explanations he said that the main problem is that Debian wants
a Debian tool to make its own LiveCDs but Metadistros wants to give
tools to let anyone create a distribution that can be used as LiveCD
and/or installed and be based in whatever linux distribution the user
wants.
As he sees it, instead of *marrying* them more with Debian their idea
is to separate their code to be independent of any distribution,
letting their system work with any distribution.
Anyway, he said that if they can cooperate in any way they will be
happy to do it.
If anyone wants to read his original e-mail, it is archived here (in
spanish):
https://listas.hispalinux.es/piperm...rch/003728.html
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| Free Ekanayaka 2004-03-31, 4:36 pm |
| >>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:41:36 +0200 (CEST), Andreas Tille <tillea@rki.de> said:
Andreas> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:[color=darkred]
Andreas> Just talk about this to people. I'm sure we can attract
Andreas> more people currently beeing outside of Debian if they
Andreas> catch the idea ...
[color=darkred]
Andreas>
Andreas> http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...n.html#s-liveCD
Thanks for the link, I did not read the the updated version of your
docs :/, you are working so fast! ;-)
The bottom-up approach you suggest is definitively the way to go. Of
course that the best suited people to provide the knoppix-* packages
are the Knoppix team itself. Are they already working to something
like this?
Moreover this confirm my impression that there are many people around
working independently on similar issues more or less related with what
the CDDs are all about, but without knowing each other. For example
right these days I am discussing about the Live CD with the
AGNULA/DeMuDi team [0], basically ending up to the same conclusions.
Cheers,
Free Ekanayaka
[0] http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/d...rch/005646.html
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-01, 1:34 am |
| On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Sergio Talens-Oliag wrote:
> I'll try to cach up with the documents and code that is beeing written
> and see what I can do to help.
I have to admit that there isn't any code written yet ... :-(
> In his explanations he said that the main problem is that Debian wants
> a Debian tool to make its own LiveCDs but Metadistros wants to give
> tools to let anyone create a distribution that can be used as LiveCD
> and/or installed and be based in whatever linux distribution the user
> wants.
While I completely accept their intention to be independant from a distribution
I see no reason to keep the Debian related part of meta distros inside Debian.
> Anyway, he said that if they can cooperate in any way they will be
> happy to do it.
Fine.
> If anyone wants to read his original e-mail, it is archived here (in
> spanish):
>
> https://listas.hispalinux.es/piperm...rch/003728.html
Uhmm, that's not very helpful. Could anybody give them a hint to support an
international mailing list if they want to work together with the rest of
the world?
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-01, 1:34 am |
| On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:
> The bottom-up approach you suggest is definitively the way to go. Of
> course that the best suited people to provide the knoppix-* packages
> are the Knoppix team itself. Are they already working to something
> like this?
When I did a workshop on LinuxTag Karlsruhe last year Klaus Knopper
was present and regarded it as a really cool idea. He would definitely
support efforts in this direction but he admitted that he does not
feel competent enough regarding Debian packaging and his time scale
does not permit to work in this direction. Moreover Fabian Franz
(who is busy writing the harddisk installer for Knoppix and some other
Knoppix related stuff) was successful in implementing the bottom-up
approach for PowerPC. BUt this was more or less a design study and
Fabian told me that he has time constraints to continue working on
this topic.
There were some other people interested and did some stuff which might be
a good start, but all in all it is currently not much more than an idea ...
> Moreover this confirm my impression that there are many people around
> working independently on similar issues more or less related with what
> the CDDs are all about, but without knowing each other.
Definitely!
My main concern is to fix this in the first place.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Free Ekanayaka 2004-04-01, 3:37 am |
| >>>>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:46:38 +0200 (CEST), Andreas Tille <tillea@rki.de> said:
Andreas> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:[color=darkred]
Andreas> When I did a workshop on LinuxTag Karlsruhe last year
Andreas> Klaus Knopper was present and regarded it as a really
Andreas> cool idea. He would definitely support efforts in this
Andreas> direction but he admitted that he does not feel competent
Andreas> enough regarding Debian packaging and his time scale does
Andreas> not permit to work in this direction. Moreover Fabian
Andreas> Franz (who is busy writing the harddisk installer for
Andreas> Knoppix and some other Knoppix related stuff) was
Andreas> successful in implementing the bottom-up approach for
Andreas> PowerPC. BUt this was more or less a design study and
Andreas> Fabian told me that he has time constraints to continue
Andreas> working on this topic.
Andreas> There were some other people interested and did some
Andreas> stuff which might be a good start, but all in all it is
Andreas> currently not much more than an idea ...
We shall start discuss about this both with the knoppix team and here
on debian-devel.
You already know Klaus Knopper, so it would be great if you could
write directly to him, reminding the talk you had and pointing to the
Live CD section of the CDD paper.
Then we see what happens..
[color=darkred]
Andreas> Definitely! My main concern is to fix this in the first
Andreas> place.
Yes, I agree. Let's keep it on!
Cheers,
Free
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-01, 4:36 am |
| On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:
> We shall start discuss about this both with the knoppix team and here
> on debian-devel.
Well, there was enough discussion on the debian-knoppix list about this.
Something has to be *done* now.
> You already know Klaus Knopper, so it would be great if you could
> write directly to him,
Because I know Klaus I know that he will more or less private mails because
of time constraints.
> reminding the talk you had and pointing to the
> Live CD section of the CDD paper.
There is nothing real new in the paper which I would not have dicsussed
on the mailing list. Perhaps it is a bit more concentrated information ...
> Then we see what happens..
I guess it would happen more if we would have some code which could
attract interest.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez 2004-04-01, 7:40 am |
| El jue, 01-04-2004 a las 07:39, Andreas Tille escribi=F3:
> Uhmm, that's not very helpful. Could anybody give them a hint to support=
an
> international mailing list if they want to work together with the rest of
> the world?
Please everyone interested in this dscussion (Debian Live-CD &&
Metadistros way, **in enlish**):
There is a new mailing list in english available=20
metadistros-en@listas.hispalinux.es
I'm a fast man Andreas :-DD
The whole web site of the Metadistros Project is in spanish but, if
anyone wants to help in the translation, he would be wellcome.
I hope to discuss any metadistros question in this mailing list, and
dDeb or CCD, in the mailing list some people hope to use (#237017).
Resume:
-. Debian derivatives (archive needs) and Custom Debian Distros
(products) -> send an email against #237017
-. Metadistros (Live-CD, hard detection, instalation and conf matters),
Debian independent -> metadistros-en@listas.hispalinux.es
Thank you very much, and a really good job Andreas, really :-)))
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-01, 8:42 am |
| On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Javier [ISO-8859-1] Vi=F1uales Guti=E9rrez wrote:
> Please everyone interested in this dscussion (Debian Live-CD &&
> Metadistros way, **in enlish**):
>
> There is a new mailing list in english available
>
> metadistros-en@listas.hispalinux.es
>
> I'm a fast man Andreas :-DD
Damn - especially in Spanish time scale ... ;-)
I'd suggest you could provide a patch to my article to provide some
interesting information about metadistros (including a link to the
subscribtion page) - or I could just add 'vigu' to the group of
developers of the CDD alioth project if you like to do it yourself.
> I hope to discuss any metadistros question in this mailing list, and
> dDeb or CCD, in the mailing list some people hope to use (#237017).
Regarding to this I've got the hint from listmaster that I should
*delay* creating an own list on Alioth - so I guess it is a
matter of time when this bug will be fixed. ;-)
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Pascal Hakim 2004-04-01, 9:39 am |
| On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 03:08:36PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Regarding to this I've got the hint from listmaster that I should
> *delay* creating an own list on Alioth - so I guess it is a
> matter of time when this bug will be fixed. ;-)
It was created a few hours ago. The website's caught up, but my
test email was stuck in my mail queue. Give it 20 minutes, and it should
all be there.
I'll only close the bug when it's all working.
Cheers,
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| Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez 2004-04-01, 11:35 am |
| El jue, 01-04-2004 a las 15:08, Andreas Tille escribi=F3:
> Damn - especially in Spanish time scale ... ;-)
8-/
X_D
%-P
> I'd suggest you could provide a patch to my article to provide some
> interesting information about metadistros (including a link to the
> subscribtion page) - or I could just add 'vigu' to the group of
> developers of the CDD alioth project if you like to do it yourself.
Add me to the Alioth project please, it'll be easer for all of us.
> Regarding to this I've got the hint from listmaster that I should
> *delay* creating an own list on Alioth - so I guess it is a
> matter of time when this bug will be fixed. ;-)
Add me to the alioth project please, it'll be easer for you and me.
Thank you.
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-01, 3:38 pm |
| On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Javier [ISO-8859-1] Vi=F1uales Guti=E9rrez wrote:
> Add me to the Alioth project please, it'll be easer for all of us.
Done.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-01, 3:38 pm |
| On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Pascal Hakim wrote:
> It was created a few hours ago. The website's caught up, but my
> test email was stuck in my mail queue. Give it 20 minutes, and it should
> all be there.
Many thanks. I just filled the subscribe form and forewarded some of the
mails from debian-devel which are not yet answered here and should be
archived in the right place.
> I'll only close the bug when it's all working.
Thanks for your work for lists.debian.org
Andreas.
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| Regarding this subject, there's going to be a Conference at Valencia,
Spain on May 6th, 7th and 8th, and I am in charge of making a list of
all the people involved, interested or working on the subject
(especially Debian Developers, or NM). Speaking Spanish is a plus, too.
I will be the public relations with all the "Experts" (that's what they
call you in the press release, and I think they fall short ;-) ).
I will be your interface to the organizers. And I will be pleased and
honoured to try to do my best at it.
The press release for the conference (Spanish only, sorry) is at:
http://es.news.yahoo.com/040324/4/3bhlo.html
(Translations to English more than wellcome).
This list I am making is intended to help organizers priorize
sponsorship for travel and hosting expenses. And one big part of the
event is a workshop on Custom Debian Based Distros.
As many of you are already aware of, there are several regional Debian
Based Distros being developed and deployed by the Spanish Public
Administration. These are Linex, Guadalinex, Lliurex and Max, AFAIK).
Many more regions are starting their own CDBD.
Our next battle is Debian-Lex and Debian-Med. Debian-Edu is also still
*very* interesting to us. I believe debian-desktop efforts are of much
interest too.
So, if you either are a Debian Developer, in NM, speak or are Spanish,
are involved in one of the mentioned projects, please send me an email,
privately so as not to make noise on this list. If you are a DD, please
gpg-sign your email.
I need certain information that will be kept private at all times and
will only be used in order to design the budget, which is:
- Full Name
- City of origin
- Project you are involved with, regarding the concerns detailed above
In case you know of someone who should be there, but hasn't read this
announcement, please feel free to forward.
Once the budget for sponsorship is closed, people will start receiving
formal invitations.
On a side note, I must say Valencia is a pretty, sunny, close to the
beach, and hospitable. It's not the caribean, though, but a very nice
place anyway. The the local cousine is excellent. Spanish people is
usually loud and friendly, and the event will very likely be a nice
experience.
So send out those emails, and don't expect an answer from me real soon.
But you will know your application result in due time.
Thanks to all of you for making the best distro that allows me to
proudly advocate/evangelize my government with/about, and excuse my
excited, sometmes wrong English :-)
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