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Bug#242419: general: need for a webbased BTS
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-06, 5:34 pm |
| On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> Besides, if someone finds reportbug too complicated (in its default
> mode; if you switch to advanced mode, it can be complicated, yes), he
> shouldn't report bugs at all. Last I used reportbug, it guided me
> through the bugreporting process, with lots of hints and whatnot. Can't
> be easier than that, I'd say.
ACK.
The *only* problem of reportbug is that users do not really know
about it. About 50% of people droping in at Debian boothes do
not have the slightest idea how to repot bugs - even people who
are long standing Debian users. So I would suggest to reassign this
bug to debian-www that this tool should be documented better on the
web pages. Or may be even debian-installer should mention reportbug
to introduce users to this evident tool.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Joel Baker 2004-04-06, 6:36 pm |
| [ Replying to debian-devel rather than the bug itself, since this is not ]
[ really relevant to resolving the bug. ]
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 10:53:26PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Gergely Nagy wrote:
>
> ACK.
> The *only* problem of reportbug is that users do not really know
> about it. About 50% of people droping in at Debian boothes do
> not have the slightest idea how to repot bugs - even people who
> are long standing Debian users. So I would suggest to reassign this
> bug to debian-www that this tool should be documented better on the
> web pages. Or may be even debian-installer should mention reportbug
> to introduce users to this evident tool.
Debian Hint #1: You can report a bug in a package with the 'reportbug'
command, which is available in the reportbug package.
(from the fortunes-debian-hints package)
How to get that out in front of more people is a question I am not able to
answer usefully at this time, but the hints package has been there a goodly
while (and is, as always, welcoming more hints submitted...)
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-07, 4:34 am |
| On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Joel Baker wrote:
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> Debian Hint #1: You can report a bug in a package with the 'reportbug'
> command, which is available in the reportbug package.
>
> (from the fortunes-debian-hints package)
>
> How to get that out in front of more people is a question I am not able to
> answer usefully at this time, but the hints package has been there a goodly
> while (and is, as always, welcoming more hints submitted...)
Well done. We should localise fortunes-debian-hints in the first place and
make it a base package. ;-)
Kind regards
Andreas.
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| Alexander Schmehl 2004-04-07, 4:34 am |
| * Andreas Tille <tillea@rki.de> [040407 09:46]:
> Well done. We should localise fortunes-debian-hints in the first place and
> make it a base package. ;-)
And print one hint to motd, and each time, a user opens a new shell 
Yours sincerely,
Alexander
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| Tollef Fog Heen 2004-04-07, 7:39 am |
| * Joel Baker
| How to get that out in front of more people is a question I am not able to
| answer usefully at this time, but the hints package has been there a goodly
| while (and is, as always, welcoming more hints submitted...)
Make it priority standard, get something like
test -x /usr/games/fortune && /usr/games/fortune
into the default .bash_profile, .zprofile and so on.
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-07, 8:42 am |
| On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> | How to get that out in front of more people is a question I am not able to
> | answer usefully at this time, but the hints package has been there a goodly
> | while (and is, as always, welcoming more hints submitted...)
>
> Make it priority standard, get something like
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> test -x /usr/games/fortune && /usr/games/fortune
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> into the default .bash_profile, .zprofile and so on.
As I said in one of my previous mails (more as a joke, but it I was not
purely joking). But before we do that we need a localized hints package.
Fortune is able to handle localized data sets since about one year so this
should be perfectly doable. If only DDTP would work again! (Grisu???)
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| Alexander Schmehl 2004-04-07, 11:48 am |
| * Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@raw.no> [040406 23:34]:
> Make it priority standard, get something like
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> test -x /usr/games/fortune && /usr/games/fortune
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> into the default .bash_profile, .zprofile and so on.
I'm not sure, if that wouldn't be to anouying, but you could also add
"fortune | xmessage -timeout 5 -center -file -" to the session files of
windows managers.
Yours sincerely,
Alexander
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| Tilo Schwarz 2004-04-07, 4:37 pm |
| On Tuesday 06 April 2004 23:39, Joel Baker wrote:
> [ Replying to debian-devel rather than the bug itself, since this is
> not ] [ really relevant to resolving the bug.
> ]
>
> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 10:53:26PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
>
> Debian Hint #1: You can report a bug in a package with the
> 'reportbug' command, which is available in the reportbug package.
>
> (from the fortunes-debian-hints package)
To state the existence of that package was actually a good hint, thanks!
Tilo
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| Andreas Barth 2004-04-07, 4:37 pm |
| * Alexander Schmehl (alexander@schmehl.info) [040407 10:40]:
> * Andreas Tille <tillea@rki.de> [040407 09:46]:
[color=darkred]
> And print one hint to motd, and each time, a user opens a new shell
That would probably really help.
Cheers,
Andi
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| Andreas Barth 2004-04-07, 4:37 pm |
| * Andreas Tille (tillea@rki.de) [040407 09:55]:
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Joel Baker wrote:
>
> Well done. We should localise fortunes-debian-hints in the first place and
> make it a base package. ;-)
Yes.
Cheers,
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| Joel Baker 2004-04-11, 3:14 pm |
| On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 09:46:21AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Joel Baker wrote:
>
> Well done. We should localise fortunes-debian-hints in the first place and
> make it a base package. ;-)
fortunes-debian-hints is currently stored in UTF-8 format (it just happens
to be the proper subset that is also US/ASCII, right now, but should it
ever come into question it *will* be UTF-8, not Latin-1 or etc). There are
some package arrangement issues with localizing any fortune DB that I'm not
sure how best to address, but I have no fundamental objections to it.
As for making it standard, or base, I hesitate to suggest that quite
yet, mostly because there simply aren't enough hints in it (yet) that it
wouldn't get exceedingly boring. But since I know of at least a couple of
other OSes that do this sort of thing by default, I'm quite sure we can get
there. I just don't think that point is quite yet.
Note, however, that there's nothing whatsoever wrong with a package that
can display such things having a 'Suggests' on fortunes-debian-hints,
as long as it copes cleanly with it not being there; this would be my
recommendation for how to handle it in the short term.
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| Andreas Tille 2004-04-11, 3:14 pm |
| On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Joel Baker wrote:
> fortunes-debian-hints is currently stored in UTF-8 format (it just happens
> to be the proper subset that is also US/ASCII, right now, but should it
> ever come into question it *will* be UTF-8, not Latin-1 or etc). There are
> some package arrangement issues with localizing any fortune DB that I'm not
> sure how best to address, but I have no fundamental objections to it.
I can't see any problem. The upstream tarball of fortunes-de is
in Latin-1 but the data is converted at package build time to UTF-8.
> As for making it standard, or base, I hesitate to suggest that quite
> yet, mostly because there simply aren't enough hints in it (yet) that it
> wouldn't get exceedingly boring. But since I know of at least a couple of
> other OSes that do this sort of thing by default, I'm quite sure we can get
> there. I just don't think that point is quite yet.
Right, but this issue has to be raised to let people notice...
Kind regards
Andreas.
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