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| Joey Hess 2004-07-15, 5:56 pm |
| I just realised on setting up a new sarge system that we still don't
install apt-listchanges by default. IIRC this was the plan, to make it
default to only showing news (which it does) and then make it be
installed by default so users got to see news items on upgrade. Matt,
did you have a plan for how to get apt-listchanges installed by default?
Maybe priority standard would be appropriate.
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| Matt Zimmerman 2004-07-15, 5:56 pm |
| On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:38:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> I just realised on setting up a new sarge system that we still don't
> install apt-listchanges by default. IIRC this was the plan, to make it
> default to only showing news (which it does) and then make it be
> installed by default so users got to see news items on upgrade. Matt,
> did you have a plan for how to get apt-listchanges installed by default?
> Maybe priority standard would be appropriate.
The last time this was discussed in detail, I didn't think it was a good
idea until I changed the default configuration, etc. I made those changes,
and then posted a followup here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-deve...4/msg05699.html
The only blocking issue (to my mind) is that of elevating the priorities of
apt-listchanges' dependencies. In that thread, there was also a question
about translation. In this thread:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n...6/msg00004.html
I agreed to implement whatever scheme could be agreed upon for translating
NEWS.Debian, but as far as I have heard, that has not been established.
On a vaguely related note, recently some folks have noted that the display
of news is not easily distinguished from the display of changelogs, which is
disconcerting to those who are accustomed to seeing the changelogs (it looks
like an incomplete changelog display). I'm open to suggestions for
improving it which can be implemented in text mode; perhaps a header at the
top or something...
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| Joe Drew 2004-07-16, 2:50 am |
| (Sorry if threading is messed up by this mail: I'm not subscribed to
debian-devel. For this reason, please CC: me on replies.)
When I originally asked about NEWS.Debian translations in March, I got a
small response. Andreas Metzler[1] wanted to make sure we could still
read NEWS.Debian files after installation, and Martin Quinson[2]
suggested we use po4a.
I have absolutely no time to implement anything in apt-listchanges for
at least a month, though.
> On a vaguely related note, recently some folks have noted that the
> display of news is not easily distinguished from the display of
> changelogs
Personally, I preferred when --- BEGIN NEWS --- ... --- END NEWS --- was
on NEWS entries, like when we first implemented NEWS.Debian entries.
1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n...3/msg00090.html
2. http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n...3/msg00098.html
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| Matt Zimmerman 2004-07-16, 2:50 am |
| On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 01:03:27AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote:
> Personally, I preferred when --- BEGIN NEWS --- ... --- END NEWS --- was
> on NEWS entries, like when we first implemented NEWS.Debian entries.
I definitely prefer that they are displayed in a separate invocation of the
frontend, but the markers could be restored.
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| David Weinehall 2004-07-16, 5:54 pm |
| On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:38:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> I just realised on setting up a new sarge system that we still don't
> install apt-listchanges by default. IIRC this was the plan, to make it
> default to only showing news (which it does) and then make it be
> installed by default so users got to see news items on upgrade. Matt,
> did you have a plan for how to get apt-listchanges installed by default?
> Maybe priority standard would be appropriate.
Well, the dependency-list isn't too extensive:
python (standard)
apt (important, base)
python-apt (optional)
debconf (important)
ucf (optional)
debianutils (required, base)
So, only ucf and python-apt would need to be bumped to standard.
As long as we don't make it higher than standard, I'm all for it;
it's a very useful program imho.
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| Joe Drew 2004-07-16, 5:54 pm |
| Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 01:03:27AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote:
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> I definitely prefer that they are displayed in a separate invocation of the
> frontend, but the markers could be restored.
Er, yes. That's what I intended to say, but didn't, for no discernable
reason.
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| Joey Hess 2004-07-16, 5:54 pm |
| Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> The last time this was discussed in detail, I didn't think it was a good
> idea until I changed the default configuration, etc. I made those changes,
> and then posted a followup here:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-deve...4/msg05699.html
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> The only blocking issue (to my mind) is that of elevating the priorities of
> apt-listchanges' dependencies.
Right. I don't know if that's doable at this point or not. If not and if
we really wanted to there are some possible workarounds, like the hack
we used for popularity-contest.
> In that thread, there was also a question
> about translation. In this thread:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n...6/msg00004.html
>
> I agreed to implement whatever scheme could be agreed upon for translating
> NEWS.Debian, but as far as I have heard, that has not been established.
Translaton would be nice, but IMHO it's not a blocker for this, we're
not at the point of having all of debian translated, and news items
would not appear during the base-config part of the install, which is as
far as we've gotten with near-complete translations so far.
> On a vaguely related note, recently some folks have noted that the display
> of news is not easily distinguished from the display of changelogs, whichis
> disconcerting to those who are accustomed to seeing the changelogs (it looks
> like an incomplete changelog display). I'm open to suggestions for
> improving it which can be implemented in text mode; perhaps a header at the
> top or something...
I had the same experience. I thought it used to put news at the top with
a header and then changelogs, and I found this more obvious than the
current display of news in one pager, and changelogs in the second.
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| Matt Zimmerman 2004-07-16, 8:50 pm |
| On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 05:46:21PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman wrote:
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> Translaton would be nice, but IMHO it's not a blocker for this, we're
> not at the point of having all of debian translated, and news items
> would not appear during the base-config part of the install, which is as
> far as we've gotten with near-complete translations so far.
I agree; as I said, I have no outstanding issues other than the priority
one.
> I had the same experience. I thought it used to put news at the top with
> a header and then changelogs, and I found this more obvious than the
> current display of news in one pager, and changelogs in the second.
Using separate pagers fits much better with the implementation; it allows
changelogs and news to be easily sent in separate emails, with different
subjects, for example (both wishlists that I find useful as well). In a
hypothetical GUI frontend, I would want the news displayed in a separate
window as well, I think. It makes it easy for the user to read the news and
dismiss the changelogs if they don't care to read them.
I do think it would be nice to display a distinguishing header or such at
the top of the news; I'm open to suggestions about what it would look like.
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