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oh, this is intolerable
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| Thomas Bushnell BSG 2004-08-06, 2:48 am |
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So not only does Wolfgang Sourdeau upload an NMU of my package in
violation of the rules, but mail to him (was@debian.org) fails with
the error that "please_write_to.wolfgang" is not a valid email
address.
Would someone fix this problem? Grrr. It is not acceptible to
destabilize packages this way.
Thomas
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| Goswin von Brederlow 2004-08-06, 5:55 pm |
| Thomas Bushnell BSG <tb@becket.net> writes:
> So not only does Wolfgang Sourdeau upload an NMU of my package in
> violation of the rules, but mail to him (was@debian.org) fails with
> the error that "please_write_to.wolfgang" is not a valid email
> address.
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> Would someone fix this problem? Grrr. It is not acceptible to
> destabilize packages this way.
What is destabilized? The changes files lists lots and lots of trivial
data and typo changes. Hardly something I would call "destabilize".
> Thomas
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| Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo 2004-08-06, 5:55 pm |
| On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 04:23:12PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
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> What is destabilized? The changes files lists lots and lots of trivial
> data and typo changes. Hardly something I would call "destabilize".
In addition I thought that any fixes are intend to rise quality of package,
and not to destabilize it. Especially such minor changes.
I would be ashamed to complain about NMU in situation when I didn't fix
trivial bugs for almost two years.
In fact I would orphan such package sooner.
regards
fEnIo
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| Steve Greenland 2004-08-06, 5:55 pm |
| On 06-Aug-04, 09:23 (CDT), Goswin von Brederlow <brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <tb@becket.net> writes:
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> What is destabilized? The changes files lists lots and lots of trivial
> data and typo changes. Hardly something I would call "destabilize".
Let's see: Thomas has a bunch of "trivial data and typo" bugs that have
languished for two years. Annoying, but hardly earth shaking.
OTOH, Wolfgang Sourdeau uploads an NMU without even the courtesy of a
e-mail to Thomas AND with an invalid e-mail address.
And you guys think that Thomas is in the wrong for objecting? Amazing.
If the fixes are too trivial to be worth a simple e-mail notification,
then they're too trivial to be worth an NMU.
Steve
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| Petter Reinholdtsen 2004-08-06, 5:55 pm |
| [Steve Greenland]
> Let's see: Thomas has a bunch of "trivial data and typo" bugs that have
> languished for two years. Annoying, but hardly earth shaking.
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> OTOH, Wolfgang Sourdeau uploads an NMU without even the courtesy of a
> e-mail to Thomas AND with an invalid e-mail address.
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> And you guys think that Thomas is in the wrong for objecting? Amazing.
Two wrong don't make a right. 
Doing NMUs without trying to notify the maintainer is not right. Not
fixing trivial bugs for several years is not right either. And I fail
to see how objecting about one of them leave the other home free.
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| Jaldhar H. Vyas 2004-08-06, 5:55 pm |
| On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Steve Greenland wrote:
> And you guys think that Thomas is in the wrong for objecting? Amazing.
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I think there is a molehill there but not a mountain.
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| Michael Banck 2004-08-06, 5:55 pm |
| On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 04:43:01PM +0200, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> In fact I would orphan such package sooner.
Note that Thomas is the upstream maintainer as well, AFAIK, so I find
that suggestion a bit off. Nothing wrong with asking for some help with
the package though, I guess.
Michael
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| Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo 2004-08-07, 2:47 am |
| On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 08:36:36PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
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> Note that Thomas is the upstream maintainer as well, AFAIK, so I find
> that suggestion a bit off. Nothing wrong with asking for some help with
> the package though, I guess.
The fact that he is also the upstream makes things even worse, cause it
seems that package/program is outdated/not-maintained everywhere.
I just wanted to say that we have many tags for bugs.
Honestly, if I would filled some bug and haven't seen *any* response from
the maintainer for two years, I wouldn't fill *any* further bugs.
May I ask Thomas what's the problem to simply add tag "confirmed" to the
mentioned bugs? Or if he thought that bugs were not complete, he could add
"moreinfo" tag. If he thought that bugs were simply stupid he could add
tag "wontfix".
Hey... social contract says that users are important for us. If maintainer
doesn't respond for a bug for over two years he says that he ignores our users.
That's something which is unacceptable for me.
Sure we can charge Wolfgang for not go by our policy, but charging Wolfgang
doesn't make Thomas not guilty.
Sorry if I wrote something which is hard to understand, but English isn't
my native language.
regards
fEnIo
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