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| Nico Golde 2004-09-25, 7:47 am |
| hi,
everytime i get the wnpp packages as an email i see loadlin in it.
i dont understand why this is a wnpp because its a program running under
dos and not under linux.
can anyone illuminate me?
regards nico
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| Ben Pfaff 2004-09-25, 5:55 pm |
| Nico Golde <nico@ngolde.de> writes:
> everytime i get the wnpp packages as an email i see loadlin in it.
> i dont understand why this is a wnpp because its a program running under
> dos and not under linux.
Do you think that LILO and GRUB should not be in Debian then?
Their most important code does not run under Linux either.
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| Nico Golde 2004-09-26, 5:55 pm |
| hello,
* Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> [2004-09-26 12:30]:
> Nico Golde <nico@ngolde.de> writes:
>
> Do you think that LILO and GRUB should not be in Debian then?
> Their most important code does not run under Linux either.
i am not quite shure but as far as i know nothing of the loadlin code
runs under linux.
from apt-cache show:
Description: a loader (running under DOS) ...
it runs under dos and i think i am not a member of the debian gnu/dos
conspiracy. please if i understand something wrong make it clear.
regards nico
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| Frank Lichtenheld 2004-09-26, 5:55 pm |
| On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 01:05:25PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> hello,
> * Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> [2004-09-26 12:30]:
>
> i am not quite shure but as far as i know nothing of the loadlin code
> runs under linux.
So what? It contains the documentation on how to use the program and
the program itself, so that you can copy it to your DOS partition.
The real question is, if someone is still using loadlin to boot
Debian. If yes, it's a good reason to distribute the program and how
should we do this instead? The pool is the best distribution method that
we have ...
So what's exactly your point? If nobody uses the program, nobody will
adopt it and it will be removed from Debian, if someone is interested
in keeping, it will stay in.
Gruesse,
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| Nico Golde 2004-09-26, 5:55 pm |
| Hello Frank,
* Frank Lichtenheld <djpig@debian.org> [2004-09-26 17:45]:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 01:05:25PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
>
> So what? It contains the documentation on how to use the program and
> the program itself, so that you can copy it to your DOS partition.
>
> The real question is, if someone is still using loadlin to boot
> Debian. If yes, it's a good reason to distribute the program and how
> should we do this instead? The pool is the best distribution method that
> we have ...
>
> So what's exactly your point? If nobody uses the program, nobody will
> adopt it and it will be removed from Debian, if someone is interested
> in keeping, it will stay in.
you are right, but my point is that the list of orphaned packages in
wnpp become more and more bigger so there are less people who have a
look on the wnpp list with every package which is new on this list. and
i think loadlin is one of the packages which can be removed faster.
and i dont think there are many people who will get this program out of
this pool. because they need to boot linux with loadlin before they can
get it.
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| Eduard Bloch 2004-09-27, 5:56 pm |
| #include <hallo.h>
* Nico Golde [Sun, Sep 26 2004, 01:05:25PM]:
>
> i am not quite shure but as far as i know nothing of the loadlin code
> runs under linux.
> from apt-cache show:
> Description: a loader (running under DOS) ...
> it runs under dos and i think i am not a member of the debian gnu/dos
> conspiracy. please if i understand something wrong make it clear.
> regards nico
Which conspiracy?
What is wrong with DSFG-free and Linux-related software?
To make sure what you do not understand, please make your point clear.
Regards,
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| Henning Makholm 2004-09-27, 5:56 pm |
| Scripsit Nico Golde <nico@ngolde.de>
> and i dont think there are many people who will get this program out of
> this pool. because they need to boot linux with loadlin before they can
> get it.
Isn't the package pool where the CD building scripts get their loadlin
executable from? (I assume that official Debian CD's still have
loadlin on them).
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| Nico Golde 2004-09-27, 5:56 pm |
| hi,
* Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> [2004-09-28 00:16]:
> #include <hallo.h>
cool 
> * Nico Golde [Sun, Sep 26 2004, 01:05:25PM]:
>
> Which conspiracy?
> What is wrong with DSFG-free and Linux-related software?
nothing, i agree very much with the thougts of dfsg.
> To make sure what you do not understand, please make your point clear.
my only problem is why a dos program is distributed under linux. my
point is. if you need it for your dos partition to boot linux out of it
you cant get i from the pool because you need it for booting linux and
get it from the pool so it is some kind of a neverending circle.
maybe i misunderstand something please help me if i am wrong.
regards nico
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| Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo 2004-09-27, 5:56 pm |
| El mar, 28-09-2004 a las 00:37 +0200, Nico Golde escribió:
[...]
>
> my only problem is why a dos program is distributed under linux. my
> point is. if you need it for your dos partition to boot linux out of it
> you cant get i from the pool because you need it for booting linux and
> get it from the pool so it is some kind of a neverending circle.
> maybe i misunderstand something please help me if i am wrong.
Easy. CD creation script take loadlin from the archive when creating a
CD, so you can boot it from DOS. And it has a lot of sense to keep it in
the archive (you also keep memtest in it, and it cannot be used under
linux or any other OS)
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| Nico Golde 2004-09-28, 5:57 pm |
| Hello Jose,
* Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org> [2004-09-28 00:58]:
> El mar, 28-09-2004 a las 00:37 +0200, Nico Golde escribió:
> [...]
>
> Easy. CD creation script take loadlin from the archive when creating a
> CD, so you can boot it from DOS. And it has a lot of sense to keep it in
> the archive (you also keep memtest in it, and it cannot be used under
> linux or any other OS)
ok thanks for you explanation. now it makes sense to me too.
regards nico
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