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Bug#292299: ITP: policyrcd -- policy-compliant interface from invoke-rc.d to local con
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| David Pashley 2005-01-26, 7:51 am |
| On Jan 26, 2005 at 09:59, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh praised the llamas by saying:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, David Pashley wrote:
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> No, it is not. invoke-rc.d *HAS* to be coordinated, and implemented by every
> initscript system. The maintainers of these packages are well aware of
> that fact.
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> The better fix IS to add an extra line to both incarnations of invoke-rc.d
> (sysv-rc's and file-rc's) to look under /usr/local/sbin first.
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> No. Either it has to go on a package of its own, or it has to have the
> functionality folded into file-rc and sysv-rc.
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Then I suggest a patch is submitted to both file-rc and sysv-rc.
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| Marc Haber 2005-01-27, 7:54 am |
| On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:12:36 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
<hmh@debian.org> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, David Pashley wrote:
invoke-rc.d[vbcol=seagreen]
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>Make that "later". I just noticed one has to run the system's
>/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d in preference to all else.
Why?
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| Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 2005-01-27, 7:54 am |
| On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:12:36 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
> <hmh@debian.org> wrote:
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> Why?
Because if any package that is NOT a policy-rc.d package is providing a
policy-rc.d in /usr/sbin, it has a damn good reason to do so, and it should
take precendence. Examples of damn good reasons are alternative initscript
managers such as runit.
If a package that is a policy-rc.d package is installed, then the local
admin is supposed to take care of things (he should uninstall that package,
if he wants to use his own policy-rc.d under /usr/local. Or register his
policy-rc.d as an alternative and select that one, etc).
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| Marc Haber 2005-01-27, 7:54 am |
| On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 10:37:05AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote:
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> Because if any package that is NOT a policy-rc.d package is providing a
> policy-rc.d in /usr/sbin, it has a damn good reason to do so, and it should
> take precendence. Examples of damn good reasons are alternative initscript
> managers such as runit.
Packages providing /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d are required to use the
alternatives system anyway.
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| Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 2005-01-27, 7:54 am |
| On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 10:37:05AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
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> Packages providing /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d are required to use the
> alternatives system anyway.
Yes, but they can use diversions when the entire policy-rc.d system has to
be disabled, if need be.
However, if invoke-rc.d searches /usr/local/sbin/policy-rc.d first, this
whole safety net is disabled.
So invoke-rc.d could be changed to look under /usr/local/sbin/policy-rc.d as
well, but only if it failed to find a runnable policy-rc.d at
/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d.
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| Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 2005-01-27, 7:54 am |
| On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Yes, but they can use diversions when the entire policy-rc.d system has to
> be disabled, if need be.
Make it a very high priority alternative. It is probably a bad idea to try
our luck with diverting an alternative.
Still, the rationale for /usr/local last holds.
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| Marc Haber 2005-01-27, 5:53 pm |
| On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 11:24:01AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> However, if invoke-rc.d searches /usr/local/sbin/policy-rc.d first, this
> whole safety net is disabled.
One could argue that the local admin explicitly requested to have that
net disabled.
> So invoke-rc.d could be changed to look under /usr/local/sbin/policy-rc.d as
> well, but only if it failed to find a runnable policy-rc.d at
> /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d.
So how do I override a non-fitting /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d? Being forced
to use a local diversion is not nice.
Greetings
Marc
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| Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 2005-01-27, 5:53 pm |
| On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 11:24:01AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
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> One could argue that the local admin explicitly requested to have that
> net disabled.
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> So how do I override a non-fitting /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d? Being forced
Remove the package providing it. The only two types of pacakge that are to
provide policy-rc.d are packages that implement a policy-rc.d system (and if
you don't want that, remove the package), AND packages that know they must
disable invoke-rc.d for some weird reason (which I am kind of suspicious
might be a mistake on the whole reasoning of whomever needs that, but I am
playing safe).
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| Marc Haber 2005-01-27, 5:53 pm |
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 12:09:11PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Remove the package providing it.
That might be a non-option.
Greetins
Marc
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| Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 2005-01-27, 8:48 pm |
| On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 12:09:11PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
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> That might be a non-option.
Only if there is a rather bad bug in the package.
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