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Standard description file about maintainer groups
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| Eduard Bloch 2005-03-27, 8:47 pm |
| Hello fellow maintainers,
with organisation in groups becoming more and more popular, IMO it is now
time to find some convention for declaring the group members and
guidelines inside of the Debian source package.
Some people call that file MAINTAINERS, some README.svn or similar, and
some do not do this at all, so someone needs to ask somebody or get a
crystal ball to learn about the repository of the maintainers. And the
first way is annoying and your mail with stupid question may be posted
on their development mailing list, which is not always the best thing.
So I suggest to set a kind of soft policy:
every package maintained by a group should keep a file (with a common
filename) in the Debian diff, which tells all neccessary things:
- who are members of that group
- which person from this group is responsible for exactly this package
- homepage, project page (alioth/Sourceforge/Berlios/...)
- where is the repository and how can you get it, not too much, but
enough information for average skilled maintainer to get it running
I suggest debian/README.Debian.Maintainers as the filename.
Regards,
Eduard.
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| Sean Perry 2005-03-28, 2:49 am |
| Eduard Bloch wrote:
> So I suggest to set a kind of soft policy:
>
> every package maintained by a group should keep a file (with a common
> filename) in the Debian diff, which tells all neccessary things:
>
> - who are members of that group
> - which person from this group is responsible for exactly this package
> - homepage, project page (alioth/Sourceforge/Berlios/...)
> - where is the repository and how can you get it, not too much, but
> enough information for average skilled maintainer to get it running
>
> I suggest debian/README.Debian.Maintainers as the filename.
>
seems logical. Do we really need the 'README.' part? Does this need to
be installed in /usr/share/doc or will this only be found in the source.
Personally, I see no reason to put it in the deb.
Another choice would be in the source section of the control file.
Source: mysource
Section: blah
Priority: extra
Maintainer: Bob <bob@debian.org>
Maintainers: Bob <bob@debian.org>, George <george@debian.org>
Project-Home: http://alioth.debian.org/mysource
Build-Depends: whatever
Standards-Version: 3.6.1
Obviously, this is more invasive but if it is truly as widestread then
perhaps the project tools should catch up.
I left the Maintainer in place to allow for some backwards
compatibility. This could be the 'captain' of the project.
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| Adeodato Simó 2005-03-28, 2:49 am |
| * Sean Perry [Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:36:49 -0800]:
> Source: mysource
> Maintainer: Bob <bob@debian.org>
> Maintainers: Bob <bob@debian.org>, George <george@debian.org>
> I left the Maintainer in place to allow for some backwards
> compatibility. This could be the 'captain' of the project.
Or a list. See the Maintainer field of e.g. lintian, exim4, kde.
And wrt 'Maintainers', there is 'Uploaders' already.
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| Ola Lundqvist 2005-03-28, 2:49 am |
| Hello
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 07:45:31AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Sean Perry [Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:36:49 -0800]:
>
>
>
> Or a list. See the Maintainer field of e.g. lintian, exim4, kde.
> And wrt 'Maintainers', there is 'Uploaders' already.
A common way is to list the contact address for the group
as maintainer and each person responsible for uploads in Uploaders.
You miss non official Debian developers this way though.
Regards,
// Ola
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| David Schmitt 2005-03-28, 7:57 am |
| On Monday 28 March 2005 00:04, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I suggest debian/README.Debian.Maintainers as the filename.
Hmm .. Following from README to README.Debian, wouldn't AUTHORS.Debian make=
=20
more sense?
Also, often this list is already present in debian/copyright ("packaged=20
by ...")
Regards, David
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| George Danchev 2005-03-28, 7:57 am |
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| Adeodato Simó 2005-03-28, 7:57 am |
| * Ola Lundqvist [Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:37:33 +0200]:
> A common way is to list the contact address for the group
> as maintainer and each person responsible for uploads in Uploaders.
> You miss non official Debian developers this way though.
Nothing mandates that the Uploaders field is DD-only, AFAICT. And I
believe that Uploaders really is meant to mean Co-Maintainers.
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| Frank Küster 2005-03-29, 7:51 am |
| Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hello fellow maintainers,
>
> with organisation in groups becoming more and more popular, IMO it is now
> time to find some convention for declaring the group members and
> guidelines inside of the Debian source package.
>
> Some people call that file MAINTAINERS, some README.svn or similar, and
> some do not do this at all, so someone needs to ask somebody or get a
> crystal ball to learn about the repository of the maintainers. And the
> first way is annoying and your mail with stupid question may be posted
> on their development mailing list, which is not always the best thing.
Which *problem* do you want to address with that suggestion? Isn't=20
one of the main points of group maintenance that any outsider just
contacts the group address, and the insiders decide who is going to be
responsible for a problem? So shouldn't we rather establish a policy
that every group-maintained package should have a mailing list in its
maintainer field?n
Furthermore, listing *current* contributors in a file might be not so
easy - how often do you need to post to a list to be "allowed in"? Is
it sufficient to suggest features or implementations, or do we count
only people who send patches? To me it seems this might even discourage
newbies.=20=20
Regards, Frank
--=20
Frank K=FCster
Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Z=FCrich
Debian Developer
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| Eduard Bloch 2005-03-29, 6:22 pm |
| #include <hallo.h>
* Frank Küster [Tue, Mar 29 2005, 02:25:03PM]:
> Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> wrote:
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> Which *problem* do you want to address with that suggestion? Isn't
Improvements of visibility of how maintainer group works, to make the
life easier for someone who comes along and tries to reach a hand.
> one of the main points of group maintenance that any outsider just
> contacts the group address, and the insiders decide who is going to be
> responsible for a problem? So shouldn't we rather establish a policy
This depends on how each team internaly works. This is desirable for
groups with few packages but not neccessarily for others, with many
packages where different subset of group members care about specific
subsets of the packages.
> that every group-maintained package should have a mailing list in its
> maintainer field?n
This is already beeing done where people see it appropriate.
> Furthermore, listing *current* contributors in a file might be not so
> easy - how often do you need to post to a list to be "allowed in"? Is
I did not talk only (or primarily) about the contact address, it is still
up to the group how the communication inside and with outsiders is
regulated.
What I meant is a list of various things that are important to possible
contributors: repositories, status web sites.
Regards,
Eduard.
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| Gunnar Wolf 2005-03-30, 7:23 pm |
| Ola Lundqvist dijo [Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
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> A common way is to list the contact address for the group
> as maintainer and each person responsible for uploads in Uploaders.
> You miss non official Debian developers this way though.
In the pkg-perl group, I often list a non-DD as an uploader, even if
he cannot formally upload - He is a comaintainer anyway.
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| Christian Perrier 2005-03-31, 3:01 am |
| Quoting Ola Lundqvist (opal@debian.org):
> A common way is to list the contact address for the group
> as maintainer and each person responsible for uploads in Uploaders.
> You miss non official Debian developers this way though.
This is the way d-i packages are handled.
This is also the way I have chosen for the shadow package maintenance.
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