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Obsolete packages in Experimental
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| Jérôme Warnier 2006-01-19, 8:12 am |
| After the last update of OOo in Sid (aka Unstable), I wonder if it is
generally considered acceptable to keep obsolete packages in
experimental (currently, Sid has 2.0.1-2 and Experimental 2.0.1-1).
If not, is there a way to remove packages from Experimental?
Regards
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| Frank Lichtenheld 2006-01-19, 8:12 am |
| On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 12:35:45PM +0100, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> After the last update of OOo in Sid (aka Unstable), I wonder if it is
> generally considered acceptable to keep obsolete packages in
> experimental (currently, Sid has 2.0.1-2 and Experimental 2.0.1-1).
>
> If not, is there a way to remove packages from Experimental?
If the (source) packages have the same names as the packages in
unstable they will get removed semi-automatically by the ftp-masters
so just wait for it.
If they have different names, I think a bug report against
ftp.debian.org is needed.
Gruesse,
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| Peter Samuelson 2006-01-19, 8:12 am |
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[Jérôme Warnier]
> After the last update of OOo in Sid (aka Unstable), I wonder if it is
> generally considered acceptable to keep obsolete packages in
> experimental (currently, Sid has 2.0.1-2 and Experimental 2.0.1-1).
Hmmm, I thought experimental was garbage-collected automatically in
this case.
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| Jérôme Warnier 2006-01-19, 8:12 am |
| Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 =E0 12:43 +0100, Frank Lichtenheld a =E9crit :
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 12:35:45PM +0100, J=E9r=F4me Warnier wrote:
>=20
> If the (source) packages have the same names as the packages in
> unstable they will get removed semi-automatically by the ftp-masters
> so just wait for it.
They have the same name. I guess it will be removed soon then.
> If they have different names, I think a bug report against
> ftp.debian.org is needed.
Thanks
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| Adam D. Barratt 2006-01-19, 6:25 pm |
| On Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:35 AM, Jérôme Warnier
<jwarnier@beeznest.net> wrote:
> After the last update of OOo in Sid (aka Unstable), I wonder if it is
> generally considered acceptable to keep obsolete packages in
> experimental (currently, Sid has 2.0.1-2 and Experimental 2.0.1-1).
Further to other answers, in this particular case you were about six and a
half hours out of date ;-)
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[Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:06:31 -0800] [ftpmaster: Ryan Murray]
Removed the following packages from experimental:
[...]
openoffice.org | 2.0.1-1 | source, i386, powerpc, sparc
openoffice.org-base | 2.0.1-1 | i386, powerpc, sparc
[...]
openoffice.org-writer | 2.0.1-1 | i386, powerpc, sparc
[...]
------------------- Reason -------------------
[rene] NVIU
----------------------------------------------
========================================
=================================
(i.e. rene, the archive "cruft remover" flagged the experimental packages
for removal as there was a newer version in unstable).
Cheers,
Adam
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| Jérôme Warnier 2006-01-20, 8:14 am |
| Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 =E0 16:38 +0000, Adam D. Barratt a =E9crit :
> On Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:35 AM, J=E9r=F4me Warnier
> <jwarnier@beeznest.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Further to other answers, in this particular case you were about six and =
a
> half hours out of date ;-)
You were right. It is out of experimental now.
BTW, is there a way to list all packages in experimental?
Or even better: a list of all packages already installed on my system
which have an experimental version?
I would like to see which ones are available.
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> [Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:06:31 -0800] [ftpmaster: Ryan Murray]
> Removed the following packages from experimental:
> [...]
> openoffice.org | 2.0.1-1 | source, i386, powerpc, sparc
> openoffice.org-base | 2.0.1-1 | i386, powerpc, sparc
> [...]
> openoffice.org-writer | 2.0.1-1 | i386, powerpc, sparc
> [...]
> ------------------- Reason -------------------
> [rene] NVIU
> ----------------------------------------------
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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>=20
> (i.e. rene, the archive "cruft remover" flagged the experimental packages
> for removal as there was a newer version in unstable).
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Adam
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| Peter Samuelson 2006-01-20, 8:14 am |
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[Jérôme Warnier]
> Or even better: a list of all packages already installed on my system
> which have an experimental version?
There might be a better way, but assuming you have experimental in your
sources.list...
t=$(tempfile);
awk > $t '/^Package:/{print "^" $2 "$"}' \
/var/lib/apt/lists/*_dists_experimental_main_binary-*_Packages
dpkg --get-selections | awk '/\tinstall$/{print $1}' | grep -f $t
rm $t
This relies on package names being regex-friendly. (I think the only
regex character they can have is ".", which causes few problems.)
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| Michal Politowski 2006-01-20, 6:04 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:34:11 +0100, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
[...]
> BTW, is there a way to list all packages in experimental?
aptitude search '~Aexperimental'
> Or even better: a list of all packages already installed on my system
> which have an experimental version?
aptitude search '~i~Aexperimental'
Also
aptitude search '~S~i~Aexperimental'
will find packages where the installed version is the one in experimental.
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| Paul Brossier 2006-01-20, 6:04 pm |
| On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 04:09:28AM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Jérôme Warnier]
>
> There might be a better way, but assuming you have experimental in your
> sources.list...
>
aptitude search ~Aexperimental | grep ^i
ciao, piem
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| Jérôme Warnier 2006-01-29, 9:38 pm |
| Le vendredi 20 janvier 2006 =E0 14:17 +0000, Paul Brossier a =E9crit :
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 04:09:28AM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>=20
> aptitude search ~Aexperimental | grep ^i
Right, and if the second character on the line is a B, that means this
packages is already from experimental.
So you could filter the ones you could still upgrade with:
aptitude search ~Aexperimental | grep ^i|grep -v ^iB
Thanks
> ciao, piem
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| Jérôme Warnier 2006-01-29, 9:38 pm |
| Le vendredi 20 janvier 2006 =E0 15:04 +0100, Michal Politowski a =E9crit :
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:34:11 +0100, J=E9r=F4me Warnier wrote:
> [...]
>=20
> aptitude search '~Aexperimental'
>=20
>=20
> aptitude search '~i~Aexperimental'
>=20
> Also
> aptitude search '~S~i~Aexperimental'
> will find packages where the installed version is the one in experimental=
..
Thanks a lot
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| Daniel Burrows 2006-01-29, 9:38 pm |
| On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 04:25:52PM +0100, Jérôme Warnier <jwarnier@beeznest.net> was heard to say:
> Le vendredi 20 janvier 2006 à 14:17 +0000, Paul Brossier a écrit :
> Right, and if the second character on the line is a B, that means this
> packages is already from experimental.
> So you could filter the ones you could still upgrade with:
> aptitude search ~Aexperimental | grep ^i|grep -v ^iB
Err, the B means that the package is currently in a broken state. That
might be strongly correlated with being experimental, but there's no
guarantee in either direction ;-).
To get a list of currently installed experimental packages, install
aptitude >= 0.4.0 and do:
aptitude search '~S~i~Aexperimental'.
Daniel
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| Anthony DeRobertis 2006-01-29, 9:38 pm |
| apt-show-versions | grep /experimental
should work too, but I haven't tested it (no experimental packages
installed on this machine)
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