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| Tshepang Lekhonkhobe 2006-11-17, 1:26 am |
| Hi,
Could we have something like this after release:
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From: Max Spevack <mspevack@redhat.com>
Date: Nov 16, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: FC6 downloads and installs
To: fedora-announce-list@redhat.com
Pardon the widest possible distribution, but I hope that people within Red
Hat will take this email as good news about the impact of Fedora Core 6,
and as a testament to the size and strength of the Fedora Community.
I'd also like to point out the incredible work of the Fedora
Infrastructure team in helping to get us to the point where we know enough
to even write this email. Particulary Mike McGrath.
These are the sorts of metrics that we've been dying to get, and while our
various attempts at collecting them spawned many threads of the right or
wrong way to do it, I think we've stumbled across a good solution.
Today is the 24th day -- about 3.5 weeks -- since FC6 was released. Since
release, we've been tracking the number of unique IP addresses that check
in via yum for updates.
This metric is much more useful than tracking downloads, because it
demonstrates actual *installed instances* of FC6 that are making a
connection back to our servers in search of updated software.
A few minutes ago, we crossed over the 300,000 mark.
That's 300,000 different IP addresses that have checked for any updated
software in Fedora Core 6.
If you simply divide it out, that averages to about 12,500 per day, or 8.7
every minute. And basically, those are *new installs* of FC6.
That doesn't take into account proxies and firewalls that can make hundreds of
servers all look like they are coming from the same IP, so the "real" number is
probably even higher than that.
Additionally, fedoraproject.org saw just over 640,000 unique visitors in
October, and so far in November has seen just over 300,000 unique
visitors.
A more detailed write up is on the fedoraproject.org page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ZodStats
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| Wouter Verhelst 2006-11-17, 7:32 am |
| On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 07:06:33AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> Could we have something like this after release:
[...tracking unique IP addresses that connect to Fedora mirrors...]
Doing it that way (checking for people running 'apt-get update' or
similar) isn't going to be possible for Debian, since we don't have
access to the logs on all our mirrors (and getting that access would be
/very/ hard to do, since it would require our mirrors to give out that
data).
However, etch will install popcon by default, which also tracks unique
submitters. While this will be voluntary (people can decline to install
popcon fairly easily), it will give us a fair approximation of the
number of our users (at the very least, it will give the lower margin).
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| Anton Piatek 2006-11-17, 1:23 pm |
| Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 07:06:33AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> [...tracking unique IP addresses that connect to Fedora mirrors...]
>
> Doing it that way (checking for people running 'apt-get update' or
> similar) isn't going to be possible for Debian, since we don't have
> access to the logs on all our mirrors (and getting that access would be
> /very/ hard to do, since it would require our mirrors to give out that
> data).
>
> However, etch will install popcon by default, which also tracks unique
> submitters. While this will be voluntary (people can decline to install
> popcon fairly easily), it will give us a fair approximation of the
> number of our users (at the very least, it will give the lower margin).
>
Redhat suffered badly with bandwidth with FC. And they coudnt track
bittorent numbers like that either.
In any case, the popcon package should produce some very interesting
results (as well as flame wars, i.e. gnome cs kde etc)
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| Roberto C. Sanchez 2006-11-17, 1:23 pm |
| On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:06:17PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 07:06:33AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> [...tracking unique IP addresses that connect to Fedora mirrors...]
>
> Doing it that way (checking for people running 'apt-get update' or
> similar) isn't going to be possible for Debian, since we don't have
> access to the logs on all our mirrors (and getting that access would be
> /very/ hard to do, since it would require our mirrors to give out that
> data).
>
Not just that, but people using solutions like apt-cacher, apt-proxy and
debmirror to create local caches will be underreported.
Regards,
-Roberto
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| Marc Haber 2006-11-18, 7:21 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:06:33 +0200, "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe"
<tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:
>That's 300,000 different IP addresses that have checked for any updated
>software in Fedora Core 6.
>
>If you simply divide it out, that averages to about 12,500 per day, or =
8.7
>every minute. And basically, those are *new installs* of FC6.
>
>That doesn't take into account proxies and firewalls that can make =
hundreds of
>servers all look like they are coming from the same IP, so the "real" =
number is
>probably even higher than that.
It also doesn't take into account dynamic IP addresses which are
usualyl forced to change once every 24 hours, thus counting each
installation behind such a connection anew every day.
Greetings
Marc
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| Wouter Verhelst 2006-11-19, 1:17 pm |
| On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 11:28:18AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:06:17PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
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> Not just that, but people using solutions like apt-cacher, apt-proxy and
> debmirror to create local caches will be underreported.
Yes; but presumably similar things exist for Fedora's repositories, too
(although I can't be sure, never having used it)
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| Michelle Konzack 2006-11-19, 1:17 pm |
| Hi Wouter and *,
Am 2006-11-17 14:06:17, schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> However, etch will install popcon by default, which also tracks unique
Hey cool.
> submitters. While this will be voluntary (people can decline to install
> popcon fairly easily), it will give us a fair approximation of the
> number of our users (at the very least, it will give the lower margin).
FullACK!
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle Konzack
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| Michelle Konzack 2006-11-19, 1:17 pm |
| Am 2006-11-17 07:06:33, schrieb Tshepang Lekhonkhobe:
> A few minutes ago, we crossed over the 300,000 mark.
>
> That's 300,000 different IP addresses that have checked for any updated
> software in Fedora Core 6.
In 24 days!
If an ISP assign your ADSL account with an IP which expires
all 24 hours then thy may have only 12500 installs!
> If you simply divide it out, that averages to about 12,500 per day, or 8.7
> every minute. And basically, those are *new installs* of FC6.
Blahblah!
I have 162 Servers and arround 680 Workstations and using
7 private mirrors where 5 only provideing Stable/Etch.
So the download statistics would be false anyway.
If I do not use "popularity-contest", Debian would not
aware of 10% of my computers.
> Additionally, fedoraproject.org saw just over 640,000 unique visitors in
More blahblah
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| Adrian von Bidder 2006-11-24, 7:19 pm |
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| Roberto C. Sanchez 2006-11-25, 1:31 am |
| On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 11:52:36PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
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> I *guess* that Debian has a much higher percentage of downloads through
> mirrors where we don't have the log files compared to FC, so this obviously
> doesn't change that we won't be able to come even close to a reasonable
> lower bound, though.
>
I'd say that zero is a perfectly reasonable lower bound. There is no
way it can be lower than that.
Regards,
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| Adrian von Bidder 2006-11-25, 7:22 am |
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