OK, I notice that a lot of back-up programs have the ability to back
up the whole drive so, as they say, if there is a crash or a failure
the drive can be restored completely to its original state.

Pardon me, but isn't the back-up program itself stored in the
C:|Program Files folder so that if say the drive goes south, so does
the program. How then can you possibly restore the drive if the
program to restore it is kaput too?



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Timothy 5:23 (adapted)

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Per Joe-46er:
>OK, I notice that a lot of back-up programs have the ability to back
>up the whole drive so, as they say, if there is a crash or a failure
>the drive can be restored completely to its original state.
>
>Pardon me, but isn't the back-up program itself stored in the
>C:|Program Files folder so that if say the drive goes south, so does
>the program. How then can you possibly restore the drive if the
>program to restore it is kaput too?

In my backup strategy, I make a distinctin between "Data" and everything els
e.

"Data" is what my back-up program is about.

"Everything else" is what my periodic system images take care of.

I used to keep all "Data"  in C:\$Data, just so I knew where it was.  Even w
ent
so far as to diddle the registry so that Favorites resided there.

Now I've gone a step further and keep all "data" stuff on a dedicated extern
al
drive.

If the system goes south, I just restore from a good system image.

If the data drive fries, I buy a new one and restore from the "Data" backups
 I
have been keeping.

If the PC goes up in smoke, I plug the "Data" drive into another PC and keep
 on
truckin'.




--
PeteCresswell

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I have Acronis True Image and can only reply about it. When first installing
Acronis you make a bootable (to a mini-unix OS) restore CD with only enough
software on the CD to find my USB2 drive and restore my hard drive from the
USB2 drive.

I make a disk image of my hard drive to an external USB2 HD every couple of
weeks.

If my C drive crashes I just boot off the CD and restore my hard drive from
the backup USB2 drive. If the hard drive was just corrupted I can reformat
it first or replace it with a new one before restoring from my USB2 drive.

Does this answer your question?


"Joe-46er" <nobody@nospam.com> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> OK, I notice that a lot of back-up programs have the ability to back
> up the whole drive so, as they say, if there is a crash or a failure
> the drive can be restored completely to its original state.
>
> Pardon me, but isn't the back-up program itself stored in the
> C:|Program Files folder so that if say the drive goes south, so does
> the program. How then can you possibly restore the drive if the
> program to restore it is kaput too?
>
>
>
> _________________________________
>
> "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and irenotecan for thy stomach's sake." --
1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)

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On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:32:56 GMT, Joe-46er <nobody@nospam.com> wrote:

>OK, I notice that a lot of back-up programs have the ability to back
>up the whole drive so, as they say, if there is a crash or a failure
>the drive can be restored completely to its original state.
>
>Pardon me, but isn't the back-up program itself stored in the
>C:|Program Files folder so that if say the drive goes south, so does
>the program. How then can you possibly restore the drive if the
>program to restore it is kaput too?
>
correct,, but they expect you to restore the OS then the backup,, from that 
you can
completely restore the rest of the drive,, including the system registry

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I do essentially what Larry does only I use Ghost2003. Twice I have
hard drives that failed and twice I restored everything just fine.
With Ghost I use a bootable floppy but you can make a CD if you wish,





On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:33:42 -0400, "Larry" <me@myhome.xyz> wrote:

>I have Acronis True Image and can only reply about it. When first installin
g
>Acronis you make a bootable (to a mini-unix OS) restore CD with only enough
>software on the CD to find my USB2 drive and restore my hard drive from the
>USB2 drive.
>
>I make a disk image of my hard drive to an external USB2 HD every couple of
>weeks.
>
>If my C drive crashes I just boot off the CD and restore my hard drive from
>the backup USB2 drive. If the hard drive was just corrupted I can reformat
>it first or replace it with a new one before restoring from my USB2 drive.
>
>Does this answer your question?
>
>
>"Joe-46er" <nobody@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:6dd281lbeh3h35vdl5lgmidf5m6glk2o5c@
4ax.com... 
>1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)
>

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Per (PeteCresswell):
>"Everything else" is what my periodic system images take care of.

And, just to clarify: The needs of "Data" and "System" backups are different
.

With "Data", you generally want the latest-and-greatest versions of everythi
ng -
albeit the backup program will probably allow you go selectively retrieve ol
der
versions.

"System" or "everything else" backups differ in that you often explicitly do
*not* want the latest version.  Reason: your system has become corrupted and
/or
infested with malware.  Therefore you want a very controlled restore in whic
h
you go back to a known good version of the system.
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PeteCresswell

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I simply back up to my second hard disk.
My second drive ("D") is newer and larger than "C."
Good luck.
-Pete

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That is the way standard backup programs, like BackupMyPC, work.
Imaging programs will restore an entire partition, including the
operating system on that partition, at the same time.  No need to do
it piecemeal.  True Image requires a seperate program CD be created,
with the to-be-restored partition image stored elsewhere (DVD's, CD's
or HD).

Terabyte's Image for Windows can store the image on DVD(s) or CD(s),
the make the DVD/CD bootable.  If multiple DVD's or CD's are needed,
only the first disk is booted.  The others are requested as needed.

Dale

On Wed, 11 May 2005 05:28:51 GMT, Wulf <wulf1<nospam>@mchsi.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:32:56 GMT, Joe-46er <nobody@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>correct,, but they expect you to restore the OS then the backup,, from that
 you can
>completely restore the rest of the drive,, including the system registry

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Joe-46er wrote:
> Pardon me, but isn't the back-up program itself stored in the
> C:|Program Files folder so that if say the drive goes south, so does
> the program. How then can you possibly restore the drive if the
> program to restore it is kaput too?

To answer your question:
If you do a image backup, then you need a boot CD to restore the hard
drive, which restores the os, backup program, any datafiles u have on
there, etc. If you do file backups, then  you need to reinstall the OS,
reinstall the apps, reinstall the backup program and then restore the
files. If the datafile backup program stores the data in a standard
format (as file copies or zip files), then you have access to those
files without having to run the datafile backup program.

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