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Hello Zax,

I am herehere (newly transformed); I will use this nym from now
on.

I have made major updates to my Tor and TLS Remaling wiki; most
notable is that my How-To now has it's own page:
"RemailingAndTor".

Thanks for the great info on HTTPS echolot Stats Updates and the
idea about QS FTP Downloads.  I think you will really like the
new section I added on Updating Stats via. Hidden Services.

Here is my updated RemailingAndTor wiki page:

<http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/The...RemailingAndTor>

I was hoping you would have a free minute or two to error check
my How-To and critque it as needed.

I have added many new sections and changed the presentation of
some info.

Here is a sample of my updates to my RemailingAndTor wiki page:

1. QS FTP Component Downloads
2. QS HTTPS Remailer Statistics & Keyring Updates
3. Type I & Type II Remailer Security Issues
4. Type II Exit Remailer
5. Reply Block, ESUB and A.A.M. Issues
6. Barring Type I Remailers
7. DSS and RSA
8. Tor Hidden Services: SMTP, M2N, HHTP Stats & NNTP
9. QS Hidden Services HTTP Remailer Statistics & Keyring Updates
10. QS New Message Window Hidden Services Settings
11. Onion Route and Hidden Services Security & Anonymity Issues
12. Multiple Calls


Thanks alot,

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On 19 May 2005, herehere(or ?? 0xC780689E8D6DA0B0) wrote:
>Here is my updated RemailingAndTor wiki page:
>
><http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/The...RemailingAndTor>
>

>6. Barring Type I Remailers

Hello!

Why do you want to do this? The information is not wholly accurate.
[vbcol=seagreen] 

Whether this is true I don't know, however you should realize that
most CPunk remailers afford the Mixmaster protocol.

For example a high percentage (+90% ?) of BiKiKii's traffic is Mixmaster mes
sages.
[vbcol=seagreen] 

Type II <> DSS Keys
Quite a few Mixmaster remailers provide RSA Keys.

Oh, and why no middleman remailers?
BiKiKii quite happily sends messages to newsgroups.

Note: I did not read "everything" written at the WiKi.


Ciao!

BiKiKii

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On 19 May 2005 22:45:37 -0000, you wrote:
>
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> On 19 May 2005, herehere(or ?? 0xC780689E8D6DA0B0) wrote: 
>
>
> Hello!


Hi BiKiKii, how are you?

Thanks for reading some of my wiki, critquing it and letting me
know of issues.  I really want to make my wiki as high-qualtiy
and  accurate as possible.

 
> Why do you want to do this?


As I understand it MixMaster is more secure than CypherPunk.


> The information is not wholly accurate.


Sorry, I was unaware of that.
 
>
> Whether this is true I don't know, however you should realize that
> most CPunk remailers afford the Mixmaster protocol.


> CPunk remailers afford the Mixmaster protocol.


To be truefull I don't fully understand what you mean in the
above sentence ^^^; could you please elaborate?

I am not an expert in these matters; I just *love* to learn, to
be challanged and to teach when it's appropiate.

 
>
> Whether this is true I don't know, however you should realize that
> most CPunk remailers afford the Mixmaster protocol.


How does the Cpunk remailer know to use the Mixmaster protocol?

Do the Cpunk remailers automatically use the Mixmaster protocol?

How could I use Type I remailers with the Mixmaster protocol?

 
>
> Whether this is true I don't know...


I read all the messages in the entire 'qslist' and I believe I
found a message by Richard where he mentioned this is possible.
I will try to find Richard's qlist message in regards to barring
Type I remailers for you.

On second thought, I may have found this info in the QS help
file; I'll check it out soon and post what I find.


> For example a high percentage (+90% ?) of BiKiKii's traffic is Mixmaster messages.



Is this traffic on your Mixmaster (mlist) or Cpunk (rlist)
remailer's; or both?

 
>
> Type II <> DSS Keys
> Quite a few Mixmaster remailers provide RSA Keys.


That sentence (among others) is rather ambiguos; I wasn't trying
to imply Mixmaster only offers DSS.  I wanted to note that you
don't have to choose which Type II remailer key to use; as all
MixMaster remailers support DSS.



> Oh, and why no middleman remailers?

I have 2 random middleman remailers in my header 'Chian:'

Host: 127.0.0.1:2525
From: your nym here <your nym here@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Chain: banana,*,*,italy; copies=6
To:
Subject:

By disabling all unneccessary Cpunk remailers and keys in the
Cpunk Keyring QS should automatically choose 2 random Mixmaster
remailers in the 'Chain:'.  QS could possbily use the ESUB Type
I remailer as a random middleman remailer; I am not sure on this.


> BiKiKii quite happily sends messages to newsgroups.


Great, that good to know.

To ensure I understand you correctly:

I can use your BiKiKii Cpunk DSS remailer to send NNTP messages
though a M2N gateway?


> Note: I did not read "everything" written at the WiKi.


If you have time I would really like it like your read my whole
wiki.  There are many interesting sections I think you'll like;
and hopfull you'll learn some new info (although I doubt it ;-) )

Here are some interesting sections you might want to read:

remailing/Stats/NG Dl's with Tor and Hidden Services
remailing/Stats/NG Dl's with Tor and TLS
Anonymity and Secuirty Issues


If you have time and an inclination, would you please read my
whole wiki; ensuring I posted accurate info.

I have tested everything on my wiki many, many times; I forgot
how many times I read it...all of these methods work as
detailed.  I tried my best to insure all info is 100 percent
accurate; but nothing is perfect.

If you would be kind enough to let me know of other errors and
such I would love to update my wiki.

BTW, what did you think of the wiki overall?


>
> Ciao!
>
> BiKiKii
>
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Thanks very much,


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In <D610344A58@bikikii.ath.cx>, Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] wrote:
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>On 19 May 2005, herehere(or ?? 0xC780689E8D6DA0B0) wrote: 
> 
>
>Hello!
>
>Why do you want to do this? The information is not wholly accurate.
> 
>
>Whether this is true I don't know, however you should realize that
>most CPunk remailers afford the Mixmaster protocol.

He's operating on a wrong idea.. QS *ONLY* uses mixmaster remailers.. it
creates the message and hands it off to mixmaster.exe to create and encrypt
the message chain.  QS then takes the result and pumps it into the user's
specified smtp

The only thing QS uses cypherpunk remailers for is Nyms and Nym reply
blocks and there is really no choice in the matter for that use.  Nym's are
Cypherpunk (Type I), QS simply takes the msgs to the nymserver and wraps
them up in mixmaster packets for security.


>For example a high percentage (+90% ?) of BiKiKii's traffic is Mixmaster
>messages.
> 
>
>Type II <> DSS Keys
>Quite a few Mixmaster remailers provide RSA Keys.
>
>Oh, and why no middleman remailers?
>BiKiKii quite happily sends messages to newsgroups.
>
>Note: I did not read "everything" written at the WiKi.
>
>
>Ciao!
>
>BiKiKii
>
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On 19 May 2005 22:45:37 -0000, BiKiKii Admin <Use-Author-Supplied-
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>
>Oh, and why no middleman remailers?
>BiKiKii quite happily sends messages to newsgroups.
>
>
I also thought middleman remailers aren't able to be the last hop.
Am I wrong?

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On 20 May 2005 07:00:00 -0000, you wrote:
>
> In <D610344A58@bikikii.ath.cx>, Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] wrot
e: 
>
> He's operating on a wrong idea.. QS *ONLY* uses mixmaster remailers.. it
> creates the message and hands it off to mixmaster.exe to create and encryp
t
> the message chain.  QS then takes the result and pumps it into the user's
> specified smtp
>
> The only thing QS uses cypherpunk remailers for is Nyms and Nym reply
> blocks and there is really no choice in the matter for that use.  Nym's ar
e
> Cypherpunk (Type I), QS simply takes the msgs to the nymserver and wraps
> them up in mixmaster packets for security.


Great!  Thanks for the info; I will update my wiki to reflect
this.


A few questions:

In the QS Cpunk keyring there is an option to 'bar remailer as
last hop' in remailer 'Chain:'.

This seems to mean that QS does use Cpunk remailers in it's
'Chain:'.  Maybe QS only uses Cpunk remailers in the 'Chain:' if
MixMaster is not installed; I'm not sure though.  What do you
think about the 'bar remailer as last hop' option in QS Cpunk
keyring?


Did you read my entire wiki?  If so what do you think?


Thanks for your help, and please point out any inconsistincies
you may find.


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On 21 May 2005 03:10:07 -0000, Thrasher Remailer
<thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:

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>On 20 May 2005 07:00:00 -0000, you wrote: 
>
>
>Great!  Thanks for the info; I will update my wiki to reflect
>this.
>
>
>A few questions:
>
>In the QS Cpunk keyring there is an option to 'bar remailer as
>last hop' in remailer 'Chain:'.
>
>This seems to mean that QS does use Cpunk remailers in it's
>'Chain:'.  Maybe QS only uses Cpunk remailers in the 'Chain:' if
>MixMaster is not installed; I'm not sure though.  What do you
>think about the 'bar remailer as last hop' option in QS Cpunk
>keyring?

Barring a remailer as last hop is an option introduced some time ago
to prevent QS sending a message without a hashcash header to a
remailer that requires it.

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Cheers,
Thrasher.

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In <VQ3DKOK938493.4653587963@reece.net.au>, thrasher@reece.net.au wrote:
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>On 20 May 2005 07:00:00 -0000, you wrote: 
>
>
>Great!  Thanks for the info; I will update my wiki to reflect
>this.
>
>
>A few questions:
>
>In the QS Cpunk keyring there is an option to 'bar remailer as
>last hop' in remailer 'Chain:'.
>
>This seems to mean that QS does use Cpunk remailers in it's
>'Chain:'.  Maybe QS only uses Cpunk remailers in the 'Chain:' if
>MixMaster is not installed; I'm not sure though.  What do you
>think about the 'bar remailer as last hop' option in QS Cpunk
>keyring?

Ask Richard, QS is strictly a Mixmaster client.
The 'Chain:' pesudoheader is all about passing the users preferences about
chain selection to mixmaster. Cypherpunk remailers have nothing to do with
it.

examples:


Chain: panta,*,*,*
tells mixmaster to use a chain of 4 remailers starting with panta and then
choose the next three at random

Chain: *,*,*,*,*
tells mixmaster to choose 5 remailers at random

Chain: *,*,*,bigapple
choose 3 random and then exit from bigapple

Chain: *,*,*,dizum; Copies=3
sends 3 copies of message, each chooses 3 random, exit from dizum.
(note, dupe detection insures that only one copy is delivered to final
address.  the multiple copies is to increase the msg's chance of getting to
the exit remailer... usefull if you're not sure of your stats or are
sending something that has to be broken into more than one mix packet for
each copy of the message.)

Also, check with QS docs and Richard.  QS can do very nicely with only the
mixmaster modules.  The only thing it needs cpunk remailers for is Nym
reply blocks.  If you're not using nym's, you could not even bother with
anything but QS and it's mixmaster modules. (though I would recommend the
Qspgp module to have pgp sign / encrypt and decrypt / verify functions
available)



>
>Did you read my entire wiki?  If so what do you think?
>

I personaly haven't read it yet but I'll get round to it eventually.



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On Fri, 20 May 2005, A.Melon wrote:
>On 19 May 2005 22:45:37 -0000, BiKiKii Admin <Use-Author-Supplied-
>Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> 
>I also thought middleman remailers aren't able to be the last hop.
>Am I wrong?
>

Both Reliable and Mixmaster remailers have a "Destination Allow" file.
For Mixmaster remailers the information may be gleaned from the
remailer-conf information.


See this section:

In addition to other remailers, this remailer also sends mail
to these addresses directly:

More information may be found in this message and thread:

Subject: Re: New Remailer tek1
From: Zax
Date: Tue 10 May 2005 15:15:15
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Message-ID: <d5r4oj$m7i$1@snorky.bananasplit.info>

Reliable remailers do not make that information publicly available.

I can only comment on BiKiKii's configuration, although other Reliable
operators may do similar...

BiKiKii will "exit" to mail2news gateways, nymserver conf@ and send@,
known pinger, and other "trusted" addresses.


Ciao!

BiKiKii

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On 20 May 2005, herehere wrote:

>Signature: 0x8D6DA0B0 herehere
>Date: Thu May 19 21:42:38 2005
>Status: OK  (Invalid)

>On 19 May 2005 22:45:37 -0000, you wrote: 
>
>To be truefull I don't fully understand what you mean in the
>above sentence ^^^; could you please elaborate?
>

See that 32 of the remailers with cpunk in their capstring also have mix and
 remix.
The precedence of remailers is to transparently remix the message to
the next hop whenever possible.

>How does the Cpunk remailer know to use the Mixmaster protocol?
>

See "The precedence..." above.

>Do the Cpunk remailers automatically use the Mixmaster protocol?
>

Above...

>How could I use Type I remailers with the Mixmaster protocol?
>

By explicitly specifying remix; the Remix-To directive.
 
>

I don't use QS so...
The answer was given by a knowledgeable user in here:

>Subject: Re: Attn: Zax ; it's herehere
>From: Thrasher Remailer
>Date: Fri 20 May 2005 02:00:00
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Message-ID: <XJH6M8BQ38492.620474537@reece.net.au>
 
>
>Is this traffic on your Mixmaster (mlist) or Cpunk (rlist) remailer's; or b
oth?
>

I just know that when I look in the inbound and outbound queues most are mix
master messages.

Since BiKiKii supports both transparent and explicit remix, precedence dicat
ates that
others will remix to BiKiKii and she will also remix to others whenever poss
ible.
 
>
>I have 2 random middleman remailers in my header 'Chian:'
>
>Chain: banana,*,*,italy; copies=6
>
>I remailer as a random middleman remailer; I am not sure on this.
>

Middleman remailers will/should remail to all known remailer addresses.

The Mixmaster client will not choose as the final remailer one with
the "M" capability flag in the remailer's key.

 
>
>Great, that good to know.
>To ensure I understand you correctly:
>
>I can use your BiKiKii Cpunk DSS remailer to send NNTP messages though a M2
N gateway?
>

Absolutely provided the message is not to a "ANON-POST-TO - BLOCKED NEWSGROU
PS"
and the number does not exceed the "Crosspost Maximum" limit.

That information is available in the remailer-conf reply.
 
>
>If you have time I would really like it like your read my whole
>wiki.  There are many interesting sections I think you'll like;
>

I intend to do so when time allows...

>and hopfull you'll learn some new info (although I doubt it ;-) )
>

I'm sure there is information there which I will find new.
As an example from this thread is...
I did not know or recall that QS only uses the Mixmaster protocol for remail
ing of messages.

>Here are some interesting sections you might want to read:
>
>remailing/Stats/NG Dl's with Tor and Hidden Services
>remailing/Stats/NG Dl's with Tor and TLS
>Anonymity and Secuirty Issues
>

Will do...

>BTW, what did you think of the wiki overall?
>

Again...[vbcol=seagreen] 

However I think it is of great value to make such information available.


Ciao!

BiKiKii

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