I have met a colleague who has demonstrated the ability to use the Internet
as a data storage medium. He does this through the use of a program that
tracks packets and/or files. These packet headers have been altered so that
they never land and continuously bounce from server to server until the
program calls them home. Home is wherever he wants, his computer, another
IP address, wherever.

He showed me this technology, including the data where each packet had
traveled, then after 48 hours, he corralled all the data to my computer
intact. Approximately 10MB. It left from his computer overseas and landed
on mine in the States.

This ability to circulate data endlessly and then retrieve it is an amazing
storage concept for any data including data that could not be traditionally
retrieved in a complete loss of power. That's where the idea came from,
during the power grid catastrophe in the Northeast US about two years ago.

Comments appreciated especially those that address how it is he
accomplishes this feat.

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In article <2oqfytyiahqr$.1s675tc3eb57m$.dlg@40tude.net>
Galicean <TomGiarmoIsRyanWhite@use.net> wrote:
>
> I have met a colleague who has demonstrated the ability to use the Interne
t
> as a data storage medium. He does this through the use of a program that
> tracks packets and/or files. These packet headers have been altered so tha
t
> they never land and continuously bounce from server to server until the
> program calls them home. Home is wherever he wants, his computer, another
> IP address, wherever.
>
> He showed me this technology, including the data where each packet had
> traveled, then after 48 hours, he corralled all the data to my computer
> intact. Approximately 10MB. It left from his computer overseas and landed
> on mine in the States.
>
> This ability to circulate data endlessly and then retrieve it is an amazin
g
> storage concept for any data including data that could not be traditionall
y
> retrieved in a complete loss of power. That's where the idea came from,
> during the power grid catastrophe in the Northeast US about two years ago.
>
> Comments appreciated especially those that address how it is he
> accomplishes this feat.


BWAHahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Per Galicean:
>Comments appreciated

Sounds like spam may be about to slip down to the #2 problem for ISPs.
--
PeteCresswell

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"Galicean" <TomGiarmoIsRyanWhite@use.net> wrote in message
news:2oqfytyiahqr$.1s675tc3eb57m$.dlg@40tude.net...
>I have met a colleague who has demonstrated the ability to use the Internet
> as a data storage medium. He does this through the use of a program that
> tracks packets and/or files. These packet headers have been altered so
> that
> they never land and continuously bounce from server to server until the
> program calls them home. Home is wherever he wants, his computer, another
> IP address, wherever.
>
That perpetual motion machine he invented; how's that one holding up?



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On alt.privacy.anon-server, in
<08vif15n93pju8jl3ikalhap6nmhr39efd@4ax.com>, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

> Per Galicean:
> 
>
> Sounds like spam may be about to slip down to the #2 problem
> for ISPs.

No kidding, Pete. I know a little bit about the TCP/IP protocol,
and that scheme does sound feasible.

It also sounds fairly easy to defeat. Packets with the sort of
addressing/flags that would have to be involved would simply be
dumped (if they aren't already).It wouldn't take a lot of massive
data losses to convince the people trying to do this to look
elsewhere.

I think the OP is just speculating. His/her/its post was
obviously very carefully prepared and edited. It wasn't
off-the-cuff. The absence of links is telling.

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Note: Posts from anonumous sources go unread here. Yes, I can
read the headers without openning the body. A single keystroke
is all it takes. Everyone is anonymous on the Usenet unless
proven otherwise via independent corroboration. I don't want
to hear from people too stupid to realize that.

Do they honestly believe my name is "Alan Connor"? On what
basis? Anyone can put whatever they want in the From line.
Is the person that the Earthlink account I am using belongs
to me? On what basis would anyone assume that? How do they
know I'm not logging into the computer this seems to be
originating from, from halfway around the world. Or just
sending it files and remote commands through a chain of
private shell accounts? They don't.

Nor can they find out. I'm just as anonymous as they are.
Maybe more so, if any of the above are true.

AC

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Galicean wrote:
> I have met a colleague who has demonstrated the ability to use the Interne
t
> as a data storage medium. He does this through the use of a program that
> tracks packets and/or files. These packet headers have been altered so tha
t
> they never land and continuously bounce from server to server until the
> program calls them home. Home is wherever he wants, his computer, another
> IP address, wherever.
>
> He showed me this technology, including the data where each packet had
> traveled, then after 48 hours, he corralled all the data to my computer
> intact. Approximately 10MB. It left from his computer overseas and landed
> on mine in the States.
>
> This ability to circulate data endlessly and then retrieve it is an amazin
g
> storage concept for any data including data that could not be traditionall
y
> retrieved in a complete loss of power. That's where the idea came from,
> during the power grid catastrophe in the Northeast US about two years ago.
>
> Comments appreciated especially those that address how it is he
> accomplishes this feat.

Well, it sounds interesting ofcourse...
The only way i can think of is that you'd need to own several servers
which keep transmitting the data to each other and for redundancy a
second path changing the order to which server the flow goes and so on.
So the data arrives and is retransmitted without being stored.

My first guess is that if the right software is written (not difficult)
and there is a whole network of servers available to support this with
encryption then yes. Think of the Tor network but then in this scenario ;)

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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:09:43 -0400, Galicean
<TomGiarmoIsRyanWhite@use.net> wrote:

>I have met a colleague who has demonstrated the ability to use the Internet
>as a data storage medium. He does this through the use of a program that
>tracks packets and/or files. These packet headers have been altered so that
>they never land and continuously bounce from server to server until the
>program calls them home. Home is wherever he wants, his computer, another
>IP address, wherever.
>
>He showed me this technology, including the data where each packet had
>traveled, then after 48 hours, he corralled all the data to my computer
>intact. Approximately 10MB. It left from his computer overseas and landed
>on mine in the States.
>
>This ability to circulate data endlessly and then retrieve it is an amazing
>storage concept for any data including data that could not be traditionally
>retrieved in a complete loss of power. That's where the idea came from,
>during the power grid catastrophe in the Northeast US about two years ago.
>
>Comments appreciated especially those that address how it is he
>accomplishes this feat.

There's so much utter nonsense in that post, that I'm not even going
to bother with addressing it all.

Needless to say, if you want to store data online as a method of
backup, you have several options already available to you, without all
the smoke and mirrors.

1)  send the required data as an attachment to one of your e-mail
accounts (size permitting)

2)  send the required data to an FTP or web server

3)  store the data using one of the many online services dedicated to
this exact purpose






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In <2oqfytyiahqr$.1s675tc3eb57m$.dlg@40tude.net>,
TomGiarmoIsRyanWhite@use.net wrote:
>I have met a colleague who has demonstrated the ability to use the Internet
>as a data storage medium. He does this through the use of a program that
>tracks packets and/or files. These packet headers have been altered so that
>they never land and continuously bounce from server to server until the
>program calls them home. Home is wherever he wants, his computer, another
>IP address, wherever.
>
>He showed me this technology, including the data where each packet had
>traveled, then after 48 hours, he corralled all the data to my computer
>intact. Approximately 10MB. It left from his computer overseas and landed
>on mine in the States.
>
>This ability to circulate data endlessly and then retrieve it is an amazing
>storage concept for any data including data that could not be traditionally
>retrieved in a complete loss of power. That's where the idea came from,
>during the power grid catastrophe in the Northeast US about two years ago.
>
>Comments appreciated especially those that address how it is he
>accomplishes this feat.


This is snake oil, pure and simple.

The obvious corrolary is that you are a liar.

What you describe is not possible

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The max TTL for an IP packet is 255.

Your friend would have to have a very quick flight.

Frosty.

"Galicean" <TomGiarmoIsRyanWhite@use.net> wrote in message
news:2oqfytyiahqr$.1s675tc3eb57m$.dlg@40tude.net...
> I have met a colleague who has demonstrated the ability to use the
Internet
> as a data storage medium. He does this through the use of a program that
> tracks packets and/or files. These packet headers have been altered so
that
> they never land and continuously bounce from server to server until the
> program calls them home. Home is wherever he wants, his computer, another
> IP address, wherever.
>
> He showed me this technology, including the data where each packet had
> traveled, then after 48 hours, he corralled all the data to my computer
> intact. Approximately 10MB. It left from his computer overseas and landed
> on mine in the States.
>
> This ability to circulate data endlessly and then retrieve it is an
amazing
> storage concept for any data including data that could not be
traditionally
> retrieved in a complete loss of power. That's where the idea came from,
> during the power grid catastrophe in the Northeast US about two years ago.
>
> Comments appreciated especially those that address how it is he
> accomplishes this feat.

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On alt.privacy.anon-server, in <21kKe.46775$Di2.33179@fe02.news.easynews.com>, "Frosty Madne
ss" wrote:
>
>
> "Alan Connor" <zzzzzz@xxx.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pcdKe.3823$RS.943@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... 
>
> No you don't. Max TTL of an IP packet is 225.
>
> Frosty.
>
>

The TTL of a packet can be renewed in the blink of an eye, with
no way to trace the interface where this occurred. Again and
again and again, forever.

Not that this manipulation alone would make the OP's fanciful
scheme workable.


AC

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