This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Winston Smith
Project mixminion server at firenze.linux.it. If you do not want to
receive anonymous messages, please contact antani-
admin@firenze.linux.it. For more information about anonymity, see
https://remailer.firenze.linux.it or
https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.

-----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----
Message-type: plaintext

I've had a domain name for 4 days now, mercury installed,
reliable installed, and I can't seem to get anywhere -
or at least not where I want to go.

Thanks roadburner for your help, but it's still miles above
where I am.

It's difficult even to know where to start, so I'll start
at the beginning:

1.  I edited my host file and added the IP address for my
domain (that I got via a lookup program) and the domain
name as "www.[mydomain].org" using the format recommended
by windows:
123.234.345.345      www.mydomain.org
2.  Mercury's pop3 client wants a pop3 address, username
and password.  I have a domain, not a pop3 account.  Dead
end?  I could set up a pop3 account for free that allows
about 2 emails per day (well, not many), but I thought the idea
was to bypass the restrictions on pop3 accounts like that.
3.  One annoying problem - I sent myself an email that
screwed up and everytime I open Mercury it tries again and
again to send the mail.  How do I kill this job?
4.  (probably related to #1):  When I *do* send an email to a nym,
my personal IP address shows - and this lets me know that I'm
only using my local SMTP server, NOT my domain.  The DNS
thingy's allowed this to happen, but that's not the idea.

4 days with a domain, and I'm not really any closer to using
it.  I can't send email from that domain, I can't receive
any email sent to that domain, and I have no idea what "host"
means or how to get my computer to use the domain as a host,
or whatever.

Persona

-----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:12:59 +0200 (CEST), "[Anon] Persona"
<nobody@firenze.linux.it> wrote:

>This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Winston Smith
>Project mixminion server at firenze.linux.it. If you do not want to
>receive anonymous messages, please contact antani-
>admin@firenze.linux.it. For more information about anonymity, see
>https://remailer.firenze.linux.it or
>https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>
>-----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----
>Message-type: plaintext
>
>I've had a domain name for 4 days now, mercury installed,
>reliable installed, and I can't seem to get anywhere -
>or at least not where I want to go.
>
>Thanks roadburner for your help, but it's still miles above
>where I am.
>
>It's difficult even to know where to start, so I'll start
>at the beginning:
>
>1.  I edited my host file and added the IP address for my
>domain (that I got via a lookup program) and the domain
>name as "www.[mydomain].org" using the format recommended
>by windows:
>123.234.345.345      www.mydomain.org
>2.  Mercury's pop3 client wants a pop3 address, username
>and password.  I have a domain, not a pop3 account.  Dead
>end?  I could set up a pop3 account for free that allows
>about 2 emails per day (well, not many), but I thought the idea
>was to bypass the restrictions on pop3 accounts like that.
>3.  One annoying problem - I sent myself an email that
>screwed up and everytime I open Mercury it tries again and
>again to send the mail.  How do I kill this job?
>4.  (probably related to #1):  When I *do* send an email to a nym,
>my personal IP address shows - and this lets me know that I'm
>only using my local SMTP server, NOT my domain.  The DNS
>thingy's allowed this to happen, but that's not the idea.
>
>4 days with a domain, and I'm not really any closer to using
>it.  I can't send email from that domain, I can't receive
>any email sent to that domain, and I have no idea what "host"
>means or how to get my computer to use the domain as a host,
>or whatever.
>
>Persona
>
>-----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----

The domain name is of little consequence except it allows other to find you 
on
the net. It could be a real domain name like I have or just a name registere
d
with DynDns. I don't have any smtp or pop accounts with my domain name eithe
r.

That is what Mercury does for you.

In the hosts file, all you need is 127.0.0.1     localhost  That directs the
name localhost to the address of the local PC which is always 127.0.0.1.

With Mercury installed, local host or 127.0.0.1 is the smtp and pop.

In the Mercury core config, make sure you have something like:

Will pretend you are magnum.com at 194.56.56.01

Localhost or server          Internet Name
magnum                          magnum
magnum                          magnum.com
magnum                          194.56.56.01


Then under configuration, you have to assign users. Go to configuration and
manage local users. Invent a test name like I did. "tossaway".

username        tossaway
password       123456

Then in any e-mail client you have on the PC setup an account with the same
name and password. example:

user name:      tossaway
password:         123456

username is tossaway - don't add anything like tossaway@magnum.com,   just
plain tossaway

smtp and pop servers are localhost or 127.0.0.1, either should work.

You should now be able to send and receive mail from an e-mail client with
Mercury operating as the SMTP and POP server.

I just use Outlook Express for the first tests. BTW, I posted to alt.test an
d
a few other groups using that name. Got my first spam today <g> It said I ca
me
highly recommended by a mutual friend whose name cannot be revealed.


Give it a go.

I'll be around today.

Regards,
roadburner

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Mixminion
server at frell.theremailer.net.  If you do not want to receive
anonymous messages, please contact abuse@frell.theremailer.net.

-----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----
Message-type: plaintext

In <rsdbj1dkl9mptucgiaj1i2fk1liic1p8c9@4ax.com> roadburner <roadburner^at^comcast^dot^net> w
rote:
>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:12:59 +0200 (CEST), "[Anon] Persona"
><nobody@firenze.linux.it> wrote:
<snip>

>The domain name is of little consequence except it allows other to find you
 on
>the net. It could be a real domain name like I have or just a name register
ed
>with DynDns. I don't have any smtp or pop accounts with my domain name eith
er.
>
>That is what Mercury does for you.
>
>In the hosts file, all you need is 127.0.0.1     localhost  That directs th
e
>name localhost to the address of the local PC which is always 127.0.0.1.
>
>With Mercury installed, local host or 127.0.0.1 is the smtp and pop.
>
>In the Mercury core config, make sure you have something like:
>
>Will pretend you are magnum.com at 194.56.56.01
>
>Localhost or server          Internet Name
>magnum                          magnum
>magnum                          magnum.com
>magnum                          194.56.56.01

This may sound like a silly question, but how to I get the
IP Address of my domain?  I looked up "www.mydomain.org"
and got an IP address, but it's different from when I
get an email bounced after sending it to "Me@mydomain.org"

I've been assuming it's the same as for "www.mydomain.org."

>
>
>Then under configuration, you have to assign users. Go to configuration and
>manage local users. Invent a test name like I did. "tossaway".
>
>username        tossaway
>password       123456
>
>Then in any e-mail client you have on the PC setup an account with the same
>name and password. example:
>
>user name:      tossaway
>password:         123456
>
>username is tossaway - don't add anything like tossaway@magnum.com,   just
>plain tossaway

Done
>
>smtp and pop servers are localhost or 127.0.0.1, either should work.

Where is that in the config?  Or are you referring to Reliable now?
>
>You should now be able to send and receive mail from an e-mail client with
>Mercury operating as the SMTP and POP server.
>
>I just use Outlook Express for the first tests. BTW, I posted to alt.test a
nd
>a few other groups using that name. Got my first spam today <g> It said I c
ame
>highly recommended by a mutual friend whose name cannot be revealed.
>
>
>Give it a go.
>
>I'll be around today.
>
>Regards,
>roadburner
>
>
>
I may be closer than I thought - I hope - but it isn't exactly
what I had expected.  Still, it should do if it works.

Persona

-----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:39:06 +0200, [Anon] Persona wrote in
Message-Id: <E1EJaSw-0007I1-00@mail.frell.eu.org>:

> IP Address of my domain?  I looked up "www.mydomain.org"
> and got an IP address, but it's different from when I
> get an email bounced after sending it to "Me@mydomain.org"
>
> I've been assuming it's the same as for "www.mydomain.org."

I think you have a misunderstanding of how domains and hostnames work.
Domains don't resolve to IP addresses, hosts in domains do.  This is
really important to understand.

Take bananasplit.info as an example; try and ping it and you'll get
nothing:

$ ping bananasplit.info
ping: unknown host bananasplit.info

However, there are a number of hosts within the domain such as
bingo, snorky, drooper and fleegle that you can ping:

$ ping drooper.bananasplit.info
PING drooper.bananasplit.info (72.21.33.202) 56(84) bytes of data.

In addition to the actual hosts, there are aliases that can be used to
map a service name to a hostname.  For example, my webserver runs on
fleegle, but I want people to access it via and alias of www.

$ ping fleegle.bananasplit.info
PING fleegle.bananasplit.info (82.133.6.118) 56(84) bytes of data.

$ ping www.bananasplit.info
PING fleegle.bananasplit.info (82.133.6.118) 56(84) bytes of data.

Up to this point, this has nothing to do with email, it's just basic
name to address resolution.

EMail also uses DNS and it has it's own special DNS record types called
MX records.  In order to interrogate these, you need a DNS tool such as
nslookup or dig.  Of the two, dig is newer and easier to use.

For reasons I can't imagine Windows doesn't include this tool.  You can
download it from http://pigtail.net/LRP/dig/  I'd also get their whois
tool, which is also amazingly useful.

$ dig bananasplit.info mx

;; ANSWER SECTION:
bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      MX      20 bingo.bananasplit.info.
bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      MX      30 drooper.bananasplit.info.
bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      MX      10 fleegle.bananasplit.info.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      ns2.bananasplit.info.
bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      ns3.bananasplit.info.
bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      asteria.debian.or.at.
bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      ns1.bananasplit.info.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
fleegle.bananasplit.info. 86400 IN      A       82.133.6.118
bingo.bananasplit.info. 86400   IN      A       82.133.6.115
drooper.bananasplit.info. 86400 IN      A       72.21.33.202
ns1.bananasplit.info.   86400   IN      A       82.133.6.118
ns2.bananasplit.info.   86400   IN      A       82.133.6.115
ns3.bananasplit.info.   86400   IN      A       72.21.33.202

This looks frightening, but it's easy when you know what it all means.
The first three lines are the answer to the question I asked, which was
"List me the MX records for bananasplit.info"

The dig command tells me that bingo, drooper and fleegle are mail
servers (MX = Mail Exchanger) for the bananasplit.info domain.  The
number before the hostname is the priority of that mail server, with the
lowest being the preferred.  In most cases, the lowest number MX is the
actual destination whilst the higher numbers are relay servers that can
be used of the real destination is unreachable.

For your mail server to work, dig *must* return the correct answers.
Those being:  The MX record must point to the correct hostname, and the
hostname must resolve to the correct IP address.  Once this is working
then you're in business and mail will arrive at your Mercury server.
Then you just need to make sure your server accepts it.  :-)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux)

iQEVAwUBQzb6VWoLu9HNUqmMAQpzDgf9ELimeZ/lMW3AKuKOU0QvCXeTaXWnhW5b
uuJlSAf8NPcf3IzL/R/ y5gPXLQgOp73sy7lBqXqstvcHCLt0YDbgB0tXwIc
2ESpp
 dFLLUK90Pggoh6xYpvAhN2McSVZAd2wcsOoa15EQ
Vi0Nyi1dGk3S1LPDcNEUmpMA
 QazDEOBmV6Zrn9M+rJQKAkXKQBcgxLuyLvWoSWuN
/h0Y8k06ngBriFpDZQ6ucAim
pQwQoCKI/6Q5XT// qf4zSI4+wwFoSFusoHMqXejAOBQOYfWScz4iJbhu
JP3jyDu5
1eVrp0FpCELitmuU//u2CJYQz6q65/Z/jN0o5/hjF3Xrwp+/RF3kiA==
=kStW
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--
pub  1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE  EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid                            Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Mixminion
server at winnie.winstonsmith.info.  If you do not want to receive
anonymous messages, please contact winnie-admin@winstonsmith.info

-----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----
Message-type: plaintext

In <dh6tol$jsk$1@bananasplit.info> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA512
>
>On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:39:06 +0200, [Anon] Persona wrote in
>Message-Id: <E1EJaSw-0007I1-00@mail.frell.eu.org>:
> 
>
>I think you have a misunderstanding of how domains and hostnames work.
>Domains don't resolve to IP addresses, hosts in domains do.  This is
>really important to understand.
>
>Take bananasplit.info as an example; try and ping it and you'll get
>nothing:
>
>$ ping bananasplit.info
>ping: unknown host bananasplit.info
>
>However, there are a number of hosts within the domain such as
>bingo, snorky, drooper and fleegle that you can ping:
>
>$ ping drooper.bananasplit.info
>PING drooper.bananasplit.info (72.21.33.202) 56(84) bytes of data.
>
>In addition to the actual hosts, there are aliases that can be used to
>map a service name to a hostname.  For example, my webserver runs on
>fleegle, but I want people to access it via and alias of www.
>
>$ ping fleegle.bananasplit.info
>PING fleegle.bananasplit.info (82.133.6.118) 56(84) bytes of data.
>
>$ ping www.bananasplit.info
>PING fleegle.bananasplit.info (82.133.6.118) 56(84) bytes of data.
>
>Up to this point, this has nothing to do with email, it's just basic
>name to address resolution.
>
>EMail also uses DNS and it has it's own special DNS record types called
>MX records.  In order to interrogate these, you need a DNS tool such as
>nslookup or dig.  Of the two, dig is newer and easier to use.
>
>For reasons I can't imagine Windows doesn't include this tool.  You can
>download it from http://pigtail.net/LRP/dig/  I'd also get their whois
>tool, which is also amazingly useful.
>
>$ dig bananasplit.info mx
>
>;; ANSWER SECTION:
>bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      MX      20 bingo.bananasplit.info.
>bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      MX      30 drooper.bananasplit.info
.
>bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      MX      10 fleegle.bananasplit.info
.
>
>;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      ns2.bananasplit.info.
>bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      ns3.bananasplit.info.
>bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      asteria.debian.or.at.
>bananasplit.info.       86400   IN      NS      ns1.bananasplit.info.
>
>;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
>fleegle.bananasplit.info. 86400 IN      A       82.133.6.118
>bingo.bananasplit.info. 86400   IN      A       82.133.6.115
>drooper.bananasplit.info. 86400 IN      A       72.21.33.202
>ns1.bananasplit.info.   86400   IN      A       82.133.6.118
>ns2.bananasplit.info.   86400   IN      A       82.133.6.115
>ns3.bananasplit.info.   86400   IN      A       72.21.33.202
>
>This looks frightening, but it's easy when you know what it all means.
>The first three lines are the answer to the question I asked, which was
>"List me the MX records for bananasplit.info"
>
>The dig command tells me that bingo, drooper and fleegle are mail
>servers (MX = Mail Exchanger) for the bananasplit.info domain.  The
>number before the hostname is the priority of that mail server, with the
>lowest being the preferred.  In most cases, the lowest number MX is the
>actual destination whilst the higher numbers are relay servers that can
>be used of the real destination is unreachable.
>
>For your mail server to work, dig *must* return the correct answers.
>Those being:  The MX record must point to the correct hostname, and the
>hostname must resolve to the correct IP address.  Once this is working
>then you're in business and mail will arrive at your Mercury server.
>Then you just need to make sure your server accepts it.  :-)
>
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux)
>
>iQEVAwUBQzb6VWoLu9HNUqmMAQpzDgf9ELimeZ/lMW3AKuKOU0QvCXeTaXWnhW5b
>uuJlSAf8NPcf3IzL/R/ y5gPXLQgOp73sy7lBqXqstvcHCLt0YDbgB0tXwIc
2ESpp
> dFLLUK90Pggoh6xYpvAhN2McSVZAd2wcsOoa15EQ
Vi0Nyi1dGk3S1LPDcNEUmpMA
> QazDEOBmV6Zrn9M+rJQKAkXKQBcgxLuyLvWoSWuN
/h0Y8k06ngBriFpDZQ6ucAim
>pQwQoCKI/6Q5XT// qf4zSI4+wwFoSFusoHMqXejAOBQOYfWScz4iJbhu
JP3jyDu5
>1eVrp0FpCELitmuU//u2CJYQz6q65/Z/jN0o5/hjF3Xrwp+/RF3kiA==
>=kStW
>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>--
>pub  1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
>     Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE  EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
>uid                            Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>
>
>
>
Wow.  Ok, some dim lights flickering here.  Sounds like I need to
do a little work.

Persona

-----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]