New overview of Flex Enterprise Services was published on MM labs
(based on Christophe Coenraets MAX speech):
http://labs.macromedia.com/wiki/ind...rprise_Service=
s:overview

Here's an interesting bit, relating to future of data-oriented FCS/FMS
apps that was discussed briefly last week:

"...Flex Message Service (FMS) supports real time (RTMP) and non real
time protocols. The channels are enabled by server-side endpoints, and
native client-side support in the Flash Player. A destination can make
multiple channels available to its producers and consumers. If a
specific channel is not available at runtime, FMS would automatically
fall back to the next channel in the list."

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Hi Erki,
Yeah, I laughed out loud when I read that. Not because there is anything
wrong with what Macromedia says about Enterprise Services but because
they couldn't come up with a different acronym for their (RTMP enabled)
messaging service than FMS! Maybe they'll rebrand the Media server to
avoid confusion!!
Cheers,
-Brian

Erki Esken wrote:

>New overview of Flex Enterprise Services was published on MM labs
>(based on Christophe Coenraets MAX speech):
>  http://labs.macromedia.com/wiki/ind...vervi
ew
>
>Here's an interesting bit, relating to future of data-oriented FCS/FMS
>apps that was discussed briefly last week:
>
>"...Flex Message Service (FMS) supports real time (RTMP) and non real
>time protocols. The channels are enabled by server-side endpoints, and
>native client-side support in the Flash Player. A destination can make
>multiple channels available to its producers and consumers. If a
>specific channel is not available at runtime, FMS would automatically
>fall back to the next channel in the list."
>
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Maybe they just want to make it clear the Flex ES have a mini FMS built in
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> Hi Erki,
> Yeah, I laughed out loud when I read that. Not because there is anything
> wrong with what Macromedia says about Enterprise Services but because
> they couldn't come up with a different acronym for their (RTMP enabled)
> messaging service than FMS! Maybe they'll rebrand the Media server to
> avoid confusion!!
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> -Brian
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> verview 
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Maybe, but my super secret San Francisco sources say the Media server
will have to be rebranded now. We could have a contest to come up with
names. Hmm, maybe Multi-User Server (MUS), or how about Flash RTMP/AMF
Gateway (FRAG), or Flex Communication Server (FCS). Hmmm... FCS seems
kind of nice.

Cheers,
-Brian

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>:-)
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I think in this case, FU_Server sounds more appropriate...

Groan,
Bill
On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:49 AM, Brian Lesser wrote:

> Maybe, but my super secret San Francisco sources say the Media
> server will have to be rebranded now. We could have a contest to
> come up with names. Hmm, maybe Multi-User Server (MUS), or how
> about Flash RTMP/AMF Gateway (FRAG), or Flex Communication Server
> (FCS). Hmmm... FCS seems kind of nice.
>
> Cheers,
> -Brian
>
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are you refering to the flash media server or the media server yet to be =
released for flex (FSS? flex streaming services)?
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names. Hmm, maybe Multi-User Server (MUS), or how about Flash RTMP/AMF=20
Gateway (FRAG), or Flex Communication Server (FCS). Hmmm... FCS seems=20
kind of nice.

Cheers,
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LOL...

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hink in this case, FU_Ser=
ver sounds more appropriate...

Groan,
Bill
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> come up with names. Hmm, maybe Multi-User Server (MUS), or how=20
> about Flash RTMP/AMF Gateway (FRAG), or Flex Communication Server=20
> (FCS). Hmmm... FCS seems kind of nice.
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> Cheers,
> -Brian
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> are you refering to the flash media server or the media server yet to
be
> released for flex (FSS? flex streaming services)?<

Here's my opinion.  Flat, linear video as shown in the Sys-Con piece has
limited value.  Video streaming is a commodity that can be delivered by
just about anyone who has an account with Akamai and has 10 minutes of
javascript.
Video is just another data type.

Applications that are dynamic, compel interaction, and take routes
determined by user data -  preference, subscription level, job title,
competence level, or spur-of-the-moment information search - are where
developers can add substantial value.

>From what glimpses I've seen on the MM Lab site, the FCS/FMS/Flex2
convergence gives us a platform that will justify our existence for the
next 4-5 years.  What more could we want?

;-)

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Hi Randy,
I'm not so sure. I'm not convinced Macromedia/Adobe understand what it
takes and/or have the resources to build out a true platform. They have
launched and abandoned too many initiatives. They continually obliterate
APIs instead of deprecating and slowly retiring them. Over the last
three years their server-side pricing for gateways and servers has been
a barrier to acceptance of their technologies and therefore to Flash as
a platform. Their focus on vertical integration and unwillingness to
spend money to cross pollinate older products with advances in newer
ones also constrains the reach of their own platform. I'm not sure they
have the resources to compete in the platform space. I always knew
Macromedia had some real challenges ahead of it, but watching the poor
execution, limited success, or outright demise of many of their RIA
initiatives over the last few years capped by their recent bungling of
FMS has made me extremely cautious. Right now I'm too risk averse to
recommend anyone base their existence on Adobe's Flash platform. Don't
forget Chizen is saying that PDF and Flash will eventually merge. I
wonder how stable the Flash platform will be as they execute on that?
Yours truly,
-Brian

Randy Tinfow wrote:
 
>be
>
> 
>
>Here's my opinion.  Flat, linear video as shown in the Sys-Con piece has
>limited value.  Video streaming is a commodity that can be delivered by
>just about anyone who has an account with Akamai and has 10 minutes of
>javascript.
>Video is just another data type.
>
>Applications that are dynamic, compel interaction, and take routes
>determined by user data -  preference, subscription level, job title,
>competence level, or spur-of-the-moment information search - are where
>developers can add substantial value.
> 
>convergence gives us a platform that will justify our existence for the
>next 4-5 years.  What more could we want?
>
>;-)
>
>Randy Tinfow
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Yeah, I think Macromedia Central is a good example of what you're
talking about.

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