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Chuck Duncan


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

I teach high school physics out here in the virtual world also known as
distance education.

I've created a FlashCom tool that allows my students to get homework
help from me. They can either talk to me live or leave a recorded
message for me to reply to later. They can use text and audio and I
respond with text, audio, and a whiteboard. Rather than a Shared Object
system, my whiteboard is a screen capture using Camtasia's Live Output tool.

The whole thing works great when:
1) Students use it from home.
2) Teachers use it at school with their faculty passwords.

But at nearly all schools, when students try to use it with their
student passwords, their browser just times out somehow and never lets
them participate. Since my whole course is Flash and Quicktime-based (on
DVDs and CD-ROMS), they routinely use Flash on these same computers when
working with local files. And they've been doing that for years (since
Future Splash!) with no problem.

I've had three server administrators look into it with no success. But
these people are usually given a huge number of schools to keep up and
running so they've not really put in a lot of effort I'm afraid.

Any ideas about where to start here?

Any help would be appreciated,

Chuck Duncan

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    Re: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Naicu Octavian


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

I think you might want to chech if schools allow traffic on port 1935.

Chuck Duncan <cduncan-1Cg5InLUYc8@public.gmane.org> wrote:  I teach high sch
ool physics out he=
re in the virtual world also known as=20
distance education.

I've created a FlashCom tool that allows my students to get homework=20
help from me. They can either talk to me live or leave a recorded=20
message for me to reply to later. They can use text and audio and I=20
respond with text, audio, and a whiteboard. Rather than a Shared Object=20
system, my whiteboard is a screen capture using Camtasia's Live Output to=
ol.

The whole thing works great when:
1) Students use it from home.
2) Teachers use it at school with their faculty passwords.

But at nearly all schools, when students try to use it with their=20
student passwords, their browser just times out somehow and never lets=20
them participate. Since my whole course is Flash and Quicktime-based (on=20
DVDs and CD-ROMS), they routinely use Flash on these same computers when=20
working with local files. And they've been doing that for years (since=20
Future Splash!) with no problem.

I've had three server administrators look into it with no success. But=20
these people are usually given a huge number of schools to keep up and=20
running so they've not really put in a lot of effort I'm afraid.

Any ideas about where to start here?

Any help would be appreciated,

Chuck Duncan

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    Re: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
David Rorex


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

These may or may not help:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl.../exploring.html
(Look under "HTTP Tunneling: Circumnavigating Firewalls and Proxy
Servers Honorably")
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/k...m?id=3Dtn_16631

-David R

On 11/29/05, Naicu Octavian <naicuoctavian-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:[v
bcol=seagreen]
> I think you might want to chech if schools allow traffic on port 1935.
>
> Chuck Duncan <cduncan-1Cg5InLUYc8@public.gmane.org> wrote:  I teach high school ph
ysics out he=[/vbcol]
re in the virtual world also known as
> distance education.
>
> I've created a FlashCom tool that allows my students to get homework
> help from me. They can either talk to me live or leave a recorded
> message for me to reply to later. They can use text and audio and I
> respond with text, audio, and a whiteboard. Rather than a Shared Object
> system, my whiteboard is a screen capture using Camtasia's Live Output to=
ol.
>
> The whole thing works great when:
> 1) Students use it from home.
> 2) Teachers use it at school with their faculty passwords.
>
> But at nearly all schools, when students try to use it with their
> student passwords, their browser just times out somehow and never lets
> them participate. Since my whole course is Flash and Quicktime-based (on
> DVDs and CD-ROMS), they routinely use Flash on these same computers when
> working with local files. And they've been doing that for years (since
> Future Splash!) with no problem.
>
> I've had three server administrators look into it with no success. But
> these people are usually given a huge number of schools to keep up and
> running so they've not really put in a lot of effort I'm afraid.

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    Re: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Chuck Duncan


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

David,
Thanks for the pointers. I'll check out both those docs.
When I was considering ports and all that I thought that it might not be
an issue since teachers had no problem. I don't know much about the
server systems that schools use, but I'd guessed that the ports would
not play a part in the system, only some sort of policies.
Thanks again,
Chuck

David Rorex wrote:
> These may or may not help:
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl.../exploring.html
> (Look under "HTTP Tunneling: Circumnavigating Firewalls and Proxy
> Servers Honorably")
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/k...cfm?id=tn_16631
>
> -David R
>
> On 11/29/05, Naicu Octavian <naicuoctavian-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.g
mane.org> wrote:
> 
>
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    Re: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Naicu Octavian


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

Also take note that HTTP Tunneling over port 80 is not enabled by default=
in the FCS. Also if you want to uneable it you will have to move the FCS=
on it's own box.

Chuck Duncan <cduncan-1Cg5InLUYc8@public.gmane.org> wrote:  David,
Thanks for the pointers. I'll check out both those docs.
When I was considering ports and all that I thought that it might not be=20
an issue since teachers had no problem. I don't know much about the=20
server systems that schools use, but I'd guessed that the ports would=20
not play a part in the system, only some sort of policies.
Thanks again,
Chuck

David Rorex wrote:
> These may or may not help:
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl.../exploring.html
> (Look under "HTTP Tunneling: Circumnavigating Firewalls and Proxy
> Servers Honorably")
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/k...m?id=3Dtn_16631
>=20
> -David R
>=20
> On 11/29/05, Naicu Octavian wrote:
>=20 
world also known as[vbcol=seagreen] 
tool.[vbcol=seagreen] 
n[vbcol=seagreen] 
n[vbcol=seagreen] 
>=20
>=20
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    Re: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Chuck Duncan


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

Naicu,
I do have FCS (1.5) on its own box, so that should be ok.
But I was not aware that HTTP tunneling over port 80 was not enabled by
default.
In Phil Kerman's piece at:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl.../exploring.html
he states:
"Actually, the latest versions of Macromedia Flash Player (6,0,65,0 or
later) will automatically attempt to connect over several different
ports and then attempt to channel communication over HTTP whenever
there's a problem connecting. Think of HTTP tunneling as "RTMP traveling
over HTTP". The bottom line is even the pickiest firewall won't pose a
problem because you can connect through port 80 over HTTP (a port and
protocol that is surely open to anyone browsing the web)."
All my schools have at least 6,0,65 installed so I'd assumed that I was
good to go on that point.
Is there something I'm missing here?
Thanks,
Chuck

Naicu Octavian wrote:
> Also take note that HTTP Tunneling over port 80 is not enabled by
> default in the FCS. Also if you want to uneable it you will have to
> move the FCS on it's own box.
>
> Chuck Duncan <cduncan-1Cg5InLUYc8@public.gmane.org> wrote:  David, Thanks 
for the
> pointers. I'll check out both those docs. When I was considering
> ports and all that I thought that it might not be an issue since
> teachers had no problem. I don't know much about the server systems
> that schools use, but I'd guessed that the ports would not play a
> part in the system, only some sort of policies. Thanks again, Chuck
>
> David Rorex wrote:
> 
>
>
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    RE: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Jim Phelan


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

If you haven't changed the config files at all, you need to make sure FCS is
listening on port 80

In \Flash Communication Server MX\conf\_defaultRoot_\Adaptor.xml

Modify <HostPort> tag to read: <HostPort>:1935,443,80</HostPort>


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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] FlashCom being blocked by Schools

Naicu,
I do have FCS (1.5) on its own box, so that should be ok.
But I was not aware that HTTP tunneling over port 80 was not enabled by
default.
In Phil Kerman's piece at:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl.../exploring.html
he states:
"Actually, the latest versions of Macromedia Flash Player (6,0,65,0 or
later) will automatically attempt to connect over several different
ports and then attempt to channel communication over HTTP whenever
there's a problem connecting. Think of HTTP tunneling as "RTMP traveling
over HTTP". The bottom line is even the pickiest firewall won't pose a
problem because you can connect through port 80 over HTTP (a port and
protocol that is surely open to anyone browsing the web)."
All my schools have at least 6,0,65 installed so I'd assumed that I was
good to go on that point.
Is there something I'm missing here?
Thanks,
Chuck

Naicu Octavian wrote:
> Also take note that HTTP Tunneling over port 80 is not enabled by
> default in the FCS. Also if you want to uneable it you will have to
> move the FCS on it's own box.
>
> Chuck Duncan <cduncan-1Cg5InLUYc8@public.gmane.org> wrote:  David, Thanks 
for the
> pointers. I'll check out both those docs. When I was considering
> ports and all that I thought that it might not be an issue since
> teachers had no problem. I don't know much about the server systems
> that schools use, but I'd guessed that the ports would not play a
> part in the system, only some sort of policies. Thanks again, Chuck
>
> David Rorex wrote:
> 
>
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    RE: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Stefan Richter


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11-29-05 10:45 PM


> Also take note that HTTP Tunneling over port 80 is not enabled by default
> in the FCS. Also if you want to uneable it you will have to move the FCS
> on it's own box.


Not quite correct, you can run FCS in parallel with a webserver on the same
box, both on port 80 but both must have their own IP.

Stefan


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    RE: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Stefan Richter


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

Get your students to hit this page and report their results:
http://www.flashcomguru.com/apps/port_test/index.cfm

Stefan



> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org 
[mailto:flashcomm-
> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ch
uck Duncan
> Sent: 29 November 2005 19:36
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] FlashCom being blocked by Schools
>
> Naicu,
> I do have FCS (1.5) on its own box, so that should be ok.
> But I was not aware that HTTP tunneling over port 80 was not enabled by
> default.
> In Phil Kerman's piece at:
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl.../exploring.html
> he states:
> "Actually, the latest versions of Macromedia Flash Player (6,0,65,0 or
> later) will automatically attempt to connect over several different
> ports and then attempt to channel communication over HTTP whenever
> there's a problem connecting. Think of HTTP tunneling as "RTMP traveling
> over HTTP". The bottom line is even the pickiest firewall won't pose a
> problem because you can connect through port 80 over HTTP (a port and
> protocol that is surely open to anyone browsing the web)."
> All my schools have at least 6,0,65 installed so I'd assumed that I was
> good to go on that point.
> Is there something I'm missing here?
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
> Naicu Octavian wrote: 
>
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    Re: FlashCom being blocked by Schools  
Chuck Duncan


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11-29-05 10:45 PM

Jim,
Aha!
I'm seeing: <HostPort>:1935</HostPort>

Perhaps this is the
wait for it...
.
.
light at the end of the tunnel;)
.
.
Thanks a lot. Now I have something to aim at.

-Chuck

Jim Phelan wrote:
> If you haven't changed the config files at all, you need to make sure FCS 
is
> listening on port 80
>
> In \Flash Communication Server MX\conf\_defaultRoot_\Adaptor.xml
>
> Modify <HostPort> tag to read: <HostPort>:1935,443,80</HostPort>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Duncan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] FlashCom being blocked by Schools
>
> Naicu,
> I do have FCS (1.5) on its own box, so that should be ok.
> But I was not aware that HTTP tunneling over port 80 was not enabled by
> default.
> In Phil Kerman's piece at:
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl.../exploring.html
> he states:
> "Actually, the latest versions of Macromedia Flash Player (6,0,65,0 or
> later) will automatically attempt to connect over several different
> ports and then attempt to channel communication over HTTP whenever
> there's a problem connecting. Think of HTTP tunneling as "RTMP traveling
> over HTTP". The bottom line is even the pickiest firewall won't pose a
> problem because you can connect through port 80 over HTTP (a port and
> protocol that is surely open to anyone browsing the web)."
> All my schools have at least 6,0,65 installed so I'd assumed that I was
> good to go on that point.
> Is there something I'm missing here?
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
> Naicu Octavian wrote:
> 
>
>
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