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01-12-06 10:08 AM

To start with I should say that I am sorry for being rude in my first post o
n this forum.  I hope my account will not be suspended, but these are questi
ons I need to know.

I come from a Java (J2SE, J2EE, J2ME) background, but not any expert to say 
the truth.  I also have experiance on C# and VB6.0 and ASP.Net, so I have my
 fair share of Microsoft Products as well.

However last week my company told me to try and learn BizTalk (2004).

After half a week ... I have many questions about BizTalk.  To start with:

What the hell does this tool acomplish!??
What advanteges does it give?
Is this a tool to develop complete solutions?

Also Licincing:
Do you people know you need to have a Licencing for Office and SQL Server ap
art from BizTalk to actually use a BizTalk Solution??

From what I understood in this course I am taking.  Clients would have simil
ar toold to developers, which for me "SOUNDS" risky!!

I would also like to add, WHY???
WHY? such a tool.  Looks like trying to code logic using flowcharts
!! Also it is very hard to debug.  To start it you need to make actual use o
f VS.Net unless using MSI language!  Developers would need to be mantaining 
the shitty solution all the time, because believe me, no one whit JUST bussi
ness logic can understand that bullshit of diagrams.  From my experiance, wh
at will happen is simple! They would ask some developers to mantain the appl
ication all the time.  Also, what does this whole think of having to jump fr
om VS.Net to BT Admin, to back to VS.Net to start/stop the sockets etc.

I also gave a tought on how biztalk can be used, and from what I could come 
up to I could just use a simple folder sniffer to do all the job plus socket
s.  Yes you are all right, that would take me up to two week of good develop
ment time!

For me BizTalk sounds like a Very Good Idea ... that was XXXXed up!!

I have actually done some examples.  I can go back to my company and do what
 they ask me ... untill they pay me I do what they want in the end of the da
y.

However this is not (according to me) a solution for a problem.  It does not
 keep standards! It maybe reduces development time, but makes mantaince a he
ll! (even tought there is the admin control which in the sylabus book is des
cribed as "What god Created on the 7th day instead of having a break!"

You are all asking... why such a post on a BizTalk forum ... is he crazy!?

The answer is no.  I do not know if I already wrote this, but I do not belie
ve that Microsoft are a bunch of idiots (with all respect).  And that they d
id not develop this tool just to use some of Bill's cash.

I hope someone will get angry at me and shows me the use of such a tool.  I 
totally believe I am wrong, and hope someone will show me the light (sort of
 speek!)

Thanks to all for reading so far

kind regards to all,
sim085




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01-13-06 09:27 AM

When I say that this tool sucks I really do mean it!!

What is this idea about that "Business Rules"!!!!
Allow "Non-Developers" define rules that can effect the whole application!? 
Yee Right!! This tool is a developers hell!! I am seeing a lot of mantainanc
e here!!

Can someone please tell me what is the whole XXXXen idea with such a tool.  
It should be prohibited to be used! You should go to prision for it!!!

kind regards,
sim085




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