Hello,

does anyone (Brian, Peldi, Robert, Joey, Justin) know if there is an
O'Reilly "Programming Flash Media Server" in the works and what is the
likely time frame for its availability?

Thanks,
_
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David,

I can't answer that question, but Bill Sanders has been writing
several chapters on Flash Media Server and has distributed them to a
small group off list. You may want to talk to him about getting these
chapters, even if you have to buy them. I personally have been able to
read these chapters and they are very helpful. I think his website is
www.sandlight.com

-Aaron

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> Hello,
>
> does anyone (Brian, Peldi, Robert, Joey, Justin) know if there is an
> O'Reilly "Programming Flash Media Server" in the works and what is the
> likely time frame for its availability?
>
> Thanks,
> _
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Hi David,
Here's the straight goods on a second edition: We proposed doing a
second edition to O'Reilly and initially they were enthusiastic.
However, when they checked the sales numbers from the first edition they
decided they could not afford to do another one. The numbers weren't
there to support it. So right now we are not working on a second edition
and one is not planned. Initially I was disappointed but I still planned
to publish some updates about the new FMS 2 features on the
http://flash-communications.net Web site and to make available an
improved set of v2 based communication components. When FMS 2's initial
licensing was announced I stopped all FMS 2 based work that I could and
started looking at alternatives. And that's where I am now - waiting to
see where Adobe is going and thinking about technology options.
If, for whatever reasons, there is a big uptick in interest in FMS 2, or
perhaps in Red5 and FMS 2, we may go back to O'Reilly and ask them to
reconsider. The person at O'Reilly I've been dealing with has made it
clear we can always revisit things.

Yours truly,
-Brian

da5id wrote:

>Hello,
>
>does anyone (Brian, Peldi, Robert, Joey, Justin) know if there is an
>O'Reilly "Programming Flash Media Server" in the works and what is the
>likely time frame for its availability?
>
>Thanks,
>_
>David
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Brian,
Thanks for the honest update.  What alternatives have you found that
you like?
Marilyn

> Hi David,
> Here's the straight goods on a second edition: We proposed doing a
> second edition to O'Reilly and initially they were enthusiastic.
> However, when they checked the sales numbers from the first edition
they
> decided they could not afford to do another one. The numbers weren't
> there to support it. So right now we are not working on a second
edition
> and one is not planned. Initially I was disappointed but I still
planned
> to publish some updates about the new FMS 2 features on the
> http://flash-communications.net Web site and to make available an
> improved set of v2 based communication components. When FMS 2's
initial
> licensing was announced I stopped all FMS 2 based work that I could
and
> started looking at alternatives. And that's where I am now - waiting
to
> see where Adobe is going and thinking about technology options.
> If, for whatever reasons, there is a big uptick in interest in FMS 2,
or
> perhaps in Red5 and FMS 2, we may go back to O'Reilly and ask them to
> reconsider. The person at O'Reilly I've been dealing with has made it
> clear we can always revisit things.
>
> Yours truly,
> -Brian
>
> da5id wrote:
> 
the[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
>
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Hi Marilyn,
That's a really difficult question. I think the short answer is that no
one, including Adobe, has all the bits and pieces in place that I'm
looking for. There are a lot of interesting technologies out there but
the cost of integration and getting full featured custom applications to
the desktop is often too high. For what it might be worth here are some
things I'm really interested in:

1. Microsoft. Their streaming technology is world class and the release
of their new plugin/player along with Interactive Designer and their
"live" offerings may really extend what you can do with their
technologies.  They should start delivering things we can look at
closely very soon. In the mean time we continue to use their streaming
technology with great success for events and in some cases in the classroom.
2. Adobe. They have some technical limitations to overcome and have
problems providing cost-effective solutions in a timely manner.
Real-time VP6 and 7 encoding, screen sharing, etc. Also they are
introducing big changes to their products (Flex 2 and Flash 9) and
promsing PDF + Flash integration via Apollo. So there are a lot of
unknowns as we can't see Apollo yet and have no idea of how it and Flex
2/Flash 9/PDF will play in various markets. Aside from Breeze we have
not been able to leverage FCS/FMS technology as much as we would have liked.
3. Third party networks are emerging like Skype, Gizmo, the IMs from
Yahoo, Google talk etc.. and they are all trying to find a more
permanent place on everyone's desktop... Lots of interesting things
happening regarding choices to compete and/or collaborate between these
companies. And lots of security issues in the corporate space to unfold...
4. Open Source tools and third party offerings are interesting to watch
to see how they fit into the MS and Adobe worlds or can integrate with
custom solutions. For example Jabber, XMPP, and Google talk.
5. patent based litigation and IP costs are lurking issues

Yours truly,
-Brian




Marilyn McLeod wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Brian,
>Thanks for the honest update.  What alternatives have you found that
>you like?
>Marilyn
>
>
> 
>they
>
> 
>edition
>
> 
>planned
>
> 
>initial
>
> 
>and
>
> 
>to
>
> 
>or
>
> 


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Hi Brian..

I'm quite surprised to hear that the sales numbers for your PFCS book
were not satisfactory to O'Reilly.  Your book was EXCELLENT and has
been totally indispensable to me as I continue yo develop and improve
my FCS applications. In fact, as I read questions here on Chattyfig,
I continually recognize that the answer to the question raised can be
found in PFCS and so refer people directly to your content.

Thanks for creating something so extremely valuable!

BTW: When I bought PFCS, I registered online with O'Reilly however I
have never received any correspondence or marketing promotion
although I frequent enter the member site and explore the content.
I'd certainly love to see a few chapters concerning FMS 2 and if
O'Reilly doesn't feel a printed update to PFCS is possible, perhaps
you could suggest offering an electronic version to registered
O'Reilly members. I know I'd pay for such an update and so there may
be a community already established that O'Reilly could EASILY reach
and generate a further revenue stream if you and other authors such
as Bill Sanders would write the content.

cheers... dave

At 6:09 PM -0500 1/11/06, Brian Lesser wrote:
>Hi David,
>Here's the straight goods on a second edition: We proposed doing a
>second edition to O'Reilly and initially they were enthusiastic.
>However, when they checked the sales numbers from the first edition
>they decided they could not afford to do another one. The numbers
>weren't there to support it. So right now we are not working on a
>second edition and one is not planned. Initially I was disappointed
>but I still planned to publish some updates about the new FMS 2
>features on the http://flash-communications.net Web site and to make
>available an improved set of v2 based communication components. When
>FMS 2's initial licensing was announced I stopped all FMS 2 based
>work that I could and started looking at alternatives. And that's
>where I am now - waiting to see where Adobe is going and thinking
>about technology options.
>If, for whatever reasons, there is a big uptick in interest in FMS
>2, or perhaps in Red5 and FMS 2, we may go back to O'Reilly and ask
>them to reconsider. The person at O'Reilly I've been dealing with
>has made it clear we can always revisit things.
>
>Yours truly,
>-Brian

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Hi Brian,
Thank you.  This is really helpful, as it answers so many of my
questions about the playing field.  I have a feeling Google will become
a bigger player.  I wonder if they'll offer video hosting.
Marilyn

> Hi Marilyn,
> That's a really difficult question. I think the short answer is that
no
> one, including Adobe, has all the bits and pieces in place that I'm
> looking for. There are a lot of interesting technologies out there
but
> the cost of integration and getting full featured custom applications
to
> the desktop is often too high. For what it might be worth here are
some
> things I'm really interested in:
>
> 1. Microsoft. Their streaming technology is world class and the
release
> of their new plugin/player along with Interactive Designer and their
> "live" offerings may really extend what you can do with their
> technologies.  They should start delivering things we can look at
> closely very soon. In the mean time we continue to use their
streaming
> technology with great success for events and in some cases in the
classroom.
> 2. Adobe. They have some technical limitations to overcome and have
> problems providing cost-effective solutions in a timely manner.
> Real-time VP6 and 7 encoding, screen sharing, etc. Also they are
> introducing big changes to their products (Flex 2 and Flash 9) and
> promsing PDF + Flash integration via Apollo. So there are a lot of
> unknowns as we can't see Apollo yet and have no idea of how it and
Flex
> 2/Flash 9/PDF will play in various markets. Aside from Breeze we have
> not been able to leverage FCS/FMS technology as much as we would have
liked.
> 3. Third party networks are emerging like Skype, Gizmo, the IMs from
> Yahoo, Google talk etc.. and they are all trying to find a more
> permanent place on everyone's desktop... Lots of interesting things
> happening regarding choices to compete and/or collaborate between
these
> companies. And lots of security issues in the corporate space to
unfold...
> 4. Open Source tools and third party offerings are interesting to
watch
> to see how they fit into the MS and Adobe worlds or can integrate
with
> custom solutions. For example Jabber, XMPP, and Google talk.
> 5. patent based litigation and IP costs are lurking issues
>
> Yours truly,
> -Brian
>
>
>
>
> Marilyn McLeod wrote:
> 
weren't[vbcol=seagreen] 
waiting[vbcol=seagreen] 
2,[vbcol=seagreen] 
to[vbcol=seagreen] 
it[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
>
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______________________________
> Brian Lesser
> Assistant Director, Teaching and Technology Support
> Computing and Communications Services
> Ryerson University
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Hi Brian,

I agree with Dave. I'd buy individual chapters outright or through my Safari
bookshelf.

Woody

Woody

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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:21 AM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] programming Flash Communication Server

Hi Brian..

I'm quite surprised to hear that the sales numbers for your PFCS book
were not satisfactory to O'Reilly.  Your book was EXCELLENT and has
been totally indispensable to me as I continue yo develop and improve
my FCS applications. In fact, as I read questions here on Chattyfig,
I continually recognize that the answer to the question raised can be
found in PFCS and so refer people directly to your content.

Thanks for creating something so extremely valuable!

BTW: When I bought PFCS, I registered online with O'Reilly however I
have never received any correspondence or marketing promotion
although I frequent enter the member site and explore the content.
I'd certainly love to see a few chapters concerning FMS 2 and if
O'Reilly doesn't feel a printed update to PFCS is possible, perhaps
you could suggest offering an electronic version to registered
O'Reilly members. I know I'd pay for such an update and so there may
be a community already established that O'Reilly could EASILY reach
and generate a further revenue stream if you and other authors such
as Bill Sanders would write the content.

cheers... dave

At 6:09 PM -0500 1/11/06, Brian Lesser wrote:
>Hi David,
>Here's the straight goods on a second edition: We proposed doing a
>second edition to O'Reilly and initially they were enthusiastic.
>However, when they checked the sales numbers from the first edition
>they decided they could not afford to do another one. The numbers
>weren't there to support it. So right now we are not working on a
>second edition and one is not planned. Initially I was disappointed
>but I still planned to publish some updates about the new FMS 2
>features on the http://flash-communications.net Web site and to make
>available an improved set of v2 based communication components. When
>FMS 2's initial licensing was announced I stopped all FMS 2 based
>work that I could and started looking at alternatives. And that's
>where I am now - waiting to see where Adobe is going and thinking
>about technology options.
>If, for whatever reasons, there is a big uptick in interest in FMS
>2, or perhaps in Red5 and FMS 2, we may go back to O'Reilly and ask
>them to reconsider. The person at O'Reilly I've been dealing with
>has made it clear we can always revisit things.
>
>Yours truly,
>-Brian

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Thanks Dave and Woody,

That's very kind of you. I never went into writing the book to make
money and did not expect a high volume of sales. So if I do decide to
write about FMS's new features I'll probably just post anything new as a
TechNote on http://flash-communications.net. O'Reilly is open to things
like what you have suggested but I don't know that I would bother.

Regarding sales being satisfactory to O'Reilly, I think they would have
done a second edition if we had reached break-even on the book. The
executive editor I was dealing with went out of his way to point out
they were pleased with the quality of the book. To break-even plus make
significant profit would have taken sales roughly five or six times
higher than the numbers we've seen so far. So despite the fact that
O'Reilly marketed the book, and the efforts of everyone who gave it five
stars on Amazon, and Stefan's, Brajeshwar's, and other people's very
generous Blog reviews, the book just did not get close to break even. I
think that is mostly because of the size of the FCS/FMS developer space
right now.

Finally, I'm curious about one thing. If you could have one or two
chapters on FMS 2 what subject(s) would they cover?

Yours truly,
-Brian

Woody Chastain wrote:

>Hi Brian,
>
>I agree with Dave. I'd buy individual chapters outright or through my Safar
i
>bookshelf.
>
>Woody
>
>Woody
>
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>[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane
.org] On Behalf Of Dave Williams
>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:21 AM
>To: FlashComm Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] programming Flash Communication Server
>
>Hi Brian..
>
>I'm quite surprised to hear that the sales numbers for your PFCS book
>were not satisfactory to O'Reilly.  Your book was EXCELLENT and has
>been totally indispensable to me as I continue yo develop and improve
>my FCS applications. In fact, as I read questions here on Chattyfig,
>I continually recognize that the answer to the question raised can be
>found in PFCS and so refer people directly to your content.
>
>Thanks for creating something so extremely valuable!
>
>BTW: When I bought PFCS, I registered online with O'Reilly however I
>have never received any correspondence or marketing promotion
>although I frequent enter the member site and explore the content.
>I'd certainly love to see a few chapters concerning FMS 2 and if
>O'Reilly doesn't feel a printed update to PFCS is possible, perhaps
>you could suggest offering an electronic version to registered
>O'Reilly members. I know I'd pay for such an update and so there may
>be a community already established that O'Reilly could EASILY reach
>and generate a further revenue stream if you and other authors such
>as Bill Sanders would write the content.
>
>cheers... dave
>
>At 6:09 PM -0500 1/11/06, Brian Lesser wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>


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Brian,

The main thing I'm interested in right now is storing styled text (maybe as
HTML strings) and bitmaps (for multiple choice test items) on the FMS server
(using the server's hierarchical file structure as a data base) and
downloading one item at a time as needed. I'm just beginning to look into
FileObject and I'm working with Robert Sandie's article in which he suggests
that JPEGs can be downloaded in this manner.

Best Regards,
Woody

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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.
org] On Behalf Of Brian Lesser
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:05 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] programming Flash Communication Server

Thanks Dave and Woody,

That's very kind of you. I never went into writing the book to make
money and did not expect a high volume of sales. So if I do decide to
write about FMS's new features I'll probably just post anything new as a
TechNote on http://flash-communications.net. O'Reilly is open to things
like what you have suggested but I don't know that I would bother.

Regarding sales being satisfactory to O'Reilly, I think they would have
done a second edition if we had reached break-even on the book. The
executive editor I was dealing with went out of his way to point out
they were pleased with the quality of the book. To break-even plus make
significant profit would have taken sales roughly five or six times
higher than the numbers we've seen so far. So despite the fact that
O'Reilly marketed the book, and the efforts of everyone who gave it five
stars on Amazon, and Stefan's, Brajeshwar's, and other people's very
generous Blog reviews, the book just did not get close to break even. I
think that is mostly because of the size of the FCS/FMS developer space
right now.

Finally, I'm curious about one thing. If you could have one or two
chapters on FMS 2 what subject(s) would they cover?

Yours truly,
-Brian

Woody Chastain wrote:

>Hi Brian,
>
>I agree with Dave. I'd buy individual chapters outright or through my
Safari
>bookshelf.
>
>Woody
>
>Woody
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
>[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane
.org] On Behalf Of Dave Williams
>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:21 AM
>To: FlashComm Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] programming Flash Communication Server
>
>Hi Brian..
>
>I'm quite surprised to hear that the sales numbers for your PFCS book
>were not satisfactory to O'Reilly.  Your book was EXCELLENT and has
>been totally indispensable to me as I continue yo develop and improve
>my FCS applications. In fact, as I read questions here on Chattyfig,
>I continually recognize that the answer to the question raised can be
>found in PFCS and so refer people directly to your content.
>
>Thanks for creating something so extremely valuable!
>
>BTW: When I bought PFCS, I registered online with O'Reilly however I
>have never received any correspondence or marketing promotion
>although I frequent enter the member site and explore the content.
>I'd certainly love to see a few chapters concerning FMS 2 and if
>O'Reilly doesn't feel a printed update to PFCS is possible, perhaps
>you could suggest offering an electronic version to registered
>O'Reilly members. I know I'd pay for such an update and so there may
>be a community already established that O'Reilly could EASILY reach
>and generate a further revenue stream if you and other authors such
>as Bill Sanders would write the content.
>
>cheers... dave
>
>At 6:09 PM -0500 1/11/06, Brian Lesser wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>


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