Any one found a way of permanently deleting obvious junk mail from deleted
items folder yet or is there any Knowledge Base article on it yet beyond the
one which say that this facility in Office or Outlook doesn't work properly?

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Generally, emptying the Deleted Items folder permanently deletes the
contents.  I'm curious, which KB article are you referring to that "say that
this facility in Office or Outlook doesn't work properly"?

Hal
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"Licensed to Quill" <fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in message
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> Any one found a way of permanently deleting obvious junk mail from deleted
> items folder yet or is there any Knowledge Base article on it yet beyond
the
> one which say that this facility in Office or Outlook doesn't work
properly?
>
>

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:50:54 -0700, "Hal Hostetler [MVP DTS]"
<hhh@kvoa.com> wrote in microsoft.public.outlook,
microsoft.public.office.setup, microsoft.public.outlook.general,
microsoft.public.outlook.installation,
microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:

>Generally, emptying the Deleted Items folder permanently deletes the
>contents.

I thought they can still be retrieved from the dumpster (if the server
is configured that way)?

>Licensed to Quill" <fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in message
>news:uVxvoRWAEHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... 

Which KB article? Have you tried Tools/Recover Deleted Items.../Purge
Selected Items ?

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> I thought they can still be retrieved from the dumpster (if the server
> is configured that way)?

If using an Exchange server configured for recover deleted, users can't
disable or bypass it, only empty it regularly.

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"Michael Bednarek" <mb@dev.nul.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:50:54 -0700, "Hal Hostetler [MVP DTS]"
> <hhh@kvoa.com> wrote in microsoft.public.outlook,
> microsoft.public.office.setup, microsoft.public.outlook.general,
> microsoft.public.outlook.installation,
> microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:
> 
>
> I thought they can still be retrieved from the dumpster (if the server
> is configured that way)?
> 
>
> Which KB article? Have you tried Tools/Recover Deleted Items.../Purge
> Selected Items ?
>
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> Michael Bednarek  http://mbednarek.com/  "POST NO BILLS"

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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:37:37 -0500, "Diane Poremsky [MVP]"
<monkey@slipstick.com.invalid> wrote in
microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:
 
>
>If using an Exchange server configured for recover deleted, users can't
>disable or bypass it, only empty it regularly.

I didn't say users could disable or bypass the dumpster. I was
commenting on Hal Hostetler's remark:
>Generally, emptying the Deleted Items folder permanently deletes the
>contents.
which I didn't think was quite correct and prompted me to note that
users can indeed recover items even if they had been emptied from the
Deleted Items folder.

To answer the OP's question how to permanently delete items from the
Deleted Items folder: if the Exchange server is configured with a
non-zero "Deleted items retention time": only by purging hidden items
through Outlook's "Recover Deleted Items..."/Purge command; AFAIK this
action cannot be scripted in VBA.

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Alternatively, hold the SHIFT key down as you delete the message from your
In box will bypass the Deleted folder and permanently remove the message.

Hope this helps.

Martin


"Michael Bednarek" <mb at mbednarek dot com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:37:37 -0500, "Diane Poremsky [MVP]"
> <monkey@slipstick.com.invalid> wrote in
> microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:
> 
>
> I didn't say users could disable or bypass the dumpster. I was
> commenting on Hal Hostetler's remark: 
> which I didn't think was quite correct and prompted me to note that
> users can indeed recover items even if they had been emptied from the
> Deleted Items folder.
>
> To answer the OP's question how to permanently delete items from the
> Deleted Items folder: if the Exchange server is configured with a
> non-zero "Deleted items retention time": only by purging hidden items
> through Outlook's "Recover Deleted Items..."/Purge command; AFAIK this
> action cannot be scripted in VBA.
>
> --
> Michael Bednarek   http://mbednarek.com/   "POST NO BILLS"

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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:36:06 -0000, "Martin C" <MartinC@invalid.com>
wrote in microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:

>Alternatively, hold the SHIFT key down as you delete the message from your
>In box will bypass the Deleted folder and permanently remove the message.

For the 3rd time: Not if the Exchange server is configured with a
non-zero "Deleted items retention time"; then items must be purged
through the command Tools/Recover Deleted Items...

>"Michael Bednarek" <mb at mbednarek dot com> wrote in message
> news:ng6e40tgpr009vn5iogiued0ubsm9nrv6g@
4ax.com... 

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Sorry for any confusion I  may have caused: I was being a bit simpler than
people think

All I want to do is set up a rule within outlook to read junk mail that
comes into the inbox when it is received, delete it,  and then have outlook
automatically delete it (if it sees  AS SEEN ON OPRAH for example, or VIAGRA
etc or MORTGAGE ) from the deleted items folder rather than keep it for you
to view and then delete manually or by exiting the program.


"Michael Bednarek" <mb@dev.nul.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:36:06 -0000, "Martin C" <MartinC@invalid.com>
> wrote in microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:
> 
your 
>
> For the 3rd time: Not if the Exchange server is configured with a
> non-zero "Deleted items retention time"; then items must be purged
> through the command Tools/Recover Deleted Items...
> 
server 
can't 
>
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> Michael Bednarek  http://mbednarek.com/  "POST NO BILLS"

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One of the options in the Outlook 2000+ Rules Wizard is to "Permanently
Delete" an item that matches the rule.  This would, however, not be a
permanent delete per the previous discussion on Exchange Server's Deleted
Item Retention setting.  Items so deleted could still be recovered within
the retention period if the "DumpsterAlwaysOn" registry modification is
made.

Hal
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Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-DTS -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ.   NBC   Channel 4
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"Licensed to Quill" <fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in message
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> Sorry for any confusion I  may have caused: I was being a bit simpler than
> people think
>
> All I want to do is set up a rule within outlook to read junk mail that
> comes into the inbox when it is received, delete it,  and then have
outlook
> automatically delete it (if it sees  AS SEEN ON OPRAH for example, or
VIAGRA
> etc or MORTGAGE ) from the deleted items folder rather than keep it for
you
> to view and then delete manually or by exiting the program.
>
>
> "Michael Bednarek" <mb@dev.nul.com> wrote in message
>  news:n7of40dkc04irr01cbl7a5050sncu9lcof@
4ax.com... 
> your 
message. 
> server 
> can't 
this 
>
>

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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 23:11:52 -0500, "Licensed to Quill"
<fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:

>Sorry for any confusion I  may have caused: I was being a bit simpler than
>people think
>
>All I want to do is set up a rule within outlook to read junk mail that
>comes into the inbox when it is received, delete it,  and then have outlook
>automatically delete it (if it sees  AS SEEN ON OPRAH for example, or VIAGR
A
>etc or MORTGAGE ) from the deleted items folder rather than keep it for you
>to view and then delete manually or by exiting the program.

I don't think this can be done directly in VBA, only in CDO. For an
example, see <http://www.cdolive.com/deletespammessage.htm>.

OTOH, it should be possible to do it in two steps in VBA: first delete
the item from your Inbox, then from the Deleted Items folder.

Good luck.

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