1. I am new to Biztalk and currently trying to work on Biztalk 2004. I
understand that Biztlak allows us to integrate different applications so
that they can communicate.

2. For eg, a Purchase from a .NET application can be inserted as a SAles
order in a Java application. Is this right?

3. The first step is that I have to creat XML schemas for both ends and map
them. What is the next step? IF you can just give me steps, i will be able
to explore.

4. I understand that we then have to working on messaging and
orchestrations. But application integration can be achieved using web
services also.

5. For eg, a web service can take records from one application db and insert
into another application db. WHy then we need biztalk?

6. Do we have to modify applications at both ends so that they send the
output in xml format whihc can be read? by biztalk. How does biztalk
communicate with applications to so that integration can happen?

Please guide

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Amit,
I suggest you take a look at the following resources
(1) Understanding Biztalk 2004 by David Chappell: an excellent whitepaper
found at the following link :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...43e725bfc27.asp

(2) Integration Patterns on MSDN: This will explain when you need to use
data integration, when you need APIs and webservices and when you would use
something like Biztalk - found at the following link :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/e....asp?frame=true

In terms of your point 5, I dont know what your exact requirements are, but
generally i would say that if all you are doing is loading data from A to B,
why bother using webservices? You could use a data integration and use a too
l
like DTS or SSIS or equivalent.

HTH,
Benjy

"Amit Bansal" wrote:

>
> 1. I am new to Biztalk and currently trying to work on Biztalk 2004. I
> understand that Biztlak allows us to integrate different applications so
> that they can communicate.
>
> 2. For eg, a Purchase from a .NET application can be inserted as a SAles
> order in a Java application. Is this right?
>
> 3. The first step is that I have to creat XML schemas for both ends and ma
p
> them. What is the next step? IF you can just give me steps, i will be able
> to explore.
>
> 4. I understand that we then have to working on messaging and
> orchestrations. But application integration can be achieved using web
> services also.
>
> 5. For eg, a web service can take records from one application db and inse
rt
> into another application db. WHy then we need biztalk?
>
> 6. Do we have to modify applications at both ends so that they send the
> output in xml format whihc can be read? by biztalk. How does biztalk
> communicate with applications to so that integration can happen?
>
> Please guide
>
>
>

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Hi ,

1. I worked till orchestrations. But did not come accross adapters anywhere
? When I created

receive locations and send ports, i used transport type as "file". I that an
adapter type??

there were other options like soap, sql, etc.

2. The difference between distinguish fileds and property fields are not
very clear. Is it

that property fields are only available for message routing but distinguish
fields are

available for orchestartions also? So why do we use distinguish fields at
all ?? not very

clear??

3. what is mime/smime. how do we detect the whether the incoming message is
of whihc type,

mime/ or smime? this seems to be a very basic question of mine 

4. Are pipeline and orchestrations mandatory? there can be a simple solution
without them also

but unlikely in real life enviornment. am i right??

Looking forward to hear from you?

Regards
Amit
"BizTalk Benjamin" <BizTalkBenjamin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:22195CC9-BE96-4642-A104-FAB4E6676197@microsoft.com...
> Amit,
> I suggest you take a look at the following resources
> (1) Understanding Biztalk 2004 by David Chappell: an excellent whitepaper
> found at the following link :
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...43e725bfc27.asp
>
> (2) Integration Patterns on MSDN: This will explain when you need to use
> data integration, when you need APIs and webservices and when you would
use
> something like Biztalk - found at the following link :
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/e....asp?frame=true
>
> In terms of your point 5, I dont know what your exact requirements are,
but
> generally i would say that if all you are doing is loading data from A to
B,
> why bother using webservices? You could use a data integration and use a
tool[vbcol=seagreen]
> like DTS or SSIS or equivalent.
>
> HTH,
> Benjy
>
> "Amit Bansal" wrote:
> 
map[vbcol=seagreen] 
able[vbcol=seagreen] 
insert[vbcol=seagreen] 

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Amit,
Did you take a look at the david chappell document  ? thats very clear on
this. Anyway here are my answers
(1) Yes, FILE is an adapter as are SOAP, HTTP, MSMQT etc. Adapters are
wrappers over specific protocols such as those above or MSMQ, etc. You can
use the ones out of the box, or purchase commercial ones to connect to
systems such as SAP, JDEdwards (some of these are available out of the box i
n
v2006). If you want you can also use the Adapter Framework to write your own
custom adapters, but it is not a trivial task.

(2) One of the best explanations of properties vs distinguished fields can
be found in : http://www.netologi.se/default.aspx?Contents=BizTalkFAQ

(3) Ive never had to deal with MIME and S/MIME so im not sure about that
question.

(4) Yes, there are real life situations where people only use Publish
Subscribe systems and Content Based Routing (take a look at the Integration
Patterns on MSDN).

Orchestrations are needed only for business processes and calling out to
external components such as webservices (although that is also possible in
pipelines etc).  In terms of pipelines, it depends on your need. If you need
to do stuff like PGP Encryption / Decryption, schema validation, or if you
need to work with flat files you need to get into pipelines. If you are
dealing with simple XML formats throughout you can just use the default
pipelines.

HTH,
Benjy



"Amit Bansal" wrote:

> Hi ,
>
> 1. I worked till orchestrations. But did not come accross adapters anywher
e
> ? When I created
>
> receive locations and send ports, i used transport type as "file". I that 
an
> adapter type??
>
> there were other options like soap, sql, etc.
>
> 2. The difference between distinguish fileds and property fields are not
> very clear. Is it
>
> that property fields are only available for message routing but distinguis
h
> fields are
>
> available for orchestartions also? So why do we use distinguish fields at
> all ?? not very
>
> clear??
>
> 3. what is mime/smime. how do we detect the whether the incoming message i
s
> of whihc type,
>
> mime/ or smime? this seems to be a very basic question of mine 
>
> 4. Are pipeline and orchestrations mandatory? there can be a simple soluti
on
> without them also
>
> but unlikely in real life enviornment. am i right??
>
> Looking forward to hear from you?
>
> Regards
> Amit
> "BizTalk Benjamin" <BizTalkBenjamin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:22195CC9-BE96-4642-A104-FAB4E6676197@microsoft.com... 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...43e725bfc27.asp 
> use 
> but 
> B, 
> tool 
> map 
> able 
> insert 
>
>
>

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

Hi Benjy,

Yes, I took a print of David Chappel doc and have read it till
orchestration. i am also learning from ms course 2157. the reason i got
confused on adapters was because, in receive location and send ports, we
have to choose "transport type" whihc essentially means that we are using
built in adapters. Well, the UI could have used a label like "Adapter"
instead of "transport type" , if I am not wrong. David's document is
really very good and I am repeatedly reading sections of it. Is there any
other good article, resources, ppts, videos whihc I can use. I am actually a
trainer and need to train a batch on Biztalk and hence now spending full
time on it. Thanks for you help again.

Regards,

"BizTalk Benjamin" <BizTalkBenjamin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:72233BAC-7034-4ACB-A460-75E866E5E6D3@microsoft.com...
> Amit,
> Did you take a look at the david chappell document  ? thats very clear on
> this. Anyway here are my answers
> (1) Yes, FILE is an adapter as are SOAP, HTTP, MSMQT etc. Adapters are
> wrappers over specific protocols such as those above or MSMQ, etc. You can
> use the ones out of the box, or purchase commercial ones to connect to
> systems such as SAP, JDEdwards (some of these are available out of the box
in
> v2006). If you want you can also use the Adapter Framework to write your
own
> custom adapters, but it is not a trivial task.
>
> (2) One of the best explanations of properties vs distinguished fields can
> be found in : http://www.netologi.se/default.aspx?Contents=BizTalkFAQ
>
> (3) Ive never had to deal with MIME and S/MIME so im not sure about that
> question.
>
> (4) Yes, there are real life situations where people only use Publish
> Subscribe systems and Content Based Routing (take a look at the
Integration
> Patterns on MSDN).
>
> Orchestrations are needed only for business processes and calling out to
> external components such as webservices (although that is also possible in
> pipelines etc).  In terms of pipelines, it depends on your need. If you
need[vbcol=seagreen]
> to do stuff like PGP Encryption / Decryption, schema validation, or if you
> need to work with flat files you need to get into pipelines. If you are
> dealing with simple XML formats throughout you can just use the default
> pipelines.
>
> HTH,
> Benjy
>
>
>
> "Amit Bansal" wrote:
> 
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that an[vbcol=seagreen] 
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Hi Benjy,

I am trying to install Biztlak 2004 on WIndows 2003 server whihc is not a
domain controllor

1. According to the installation guide, I need not create any user accounts
or groups if Biztalk is going to be installed with all pre requsities on a
single computer. I understand this but another document says that I have to
create the following a/cs before installation: ESSO, BAMQueryWSuser,
BSAAppPool., etc... Will these a/cs be automatically added or I need to
create them manually?

2. Installing Biztlak on multiple computer means that I need to create user
a/cs manually on each computer??

3. If Biztlak is in computer A and SQL Server is in Computer B, is it
necessary that Biztlk has to be imstalled on the SQL computer also? DO i
need to create user a/cs in SQL computer also?

Regards
"ClearConcepts" <technical@peoplewareindia.com> wrote in message
news:eXNf3z7lGHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi Benjy,
>
> Yes, I took a print of David Chappel doc and have read it till
> orchestration. i am also learning from ms course 2157. the reason i got
> confused on adapters was because, in receive location and send ports, we
> have to choose "transport type" whihc essentially means that we are using
> built in adapters. Well, the UI could have used a label like "Adapter"
> instead of "transport type" , if I am not wrong. David's document is
> really very good and I am repeatedly reading sections of it. Is there any
> other good article, resources, ppts, videos whihc I can use. I am actually
a
> trainer and need to train a batch on Biztalk and hence now spending full
> time on it. Thanks for you help again.
>
> Regards,
>
> "BizTalk Benjamin" <BizTalkBenjamin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:72233BAC-7034-4ACB-A460-75E866E5E6D3@microsoft.com... 
on[vbcol=seagreen] 
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>
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>
>

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

Hi,
In terms of the UI, yes, i think you're right. It could be easier if they
simply said Adapter. However Transport Type is still correct since thats wha
t
an adapter is - a wrapper over the transport protocol.

The webcasts on MSDN are a great resource. tons of videos. Theres also some
hands on labs in a hosted virtual labs environment at MSDN which are also
useful to use.

Benjy

"ClearConcepts" wrote:

> Hi Benjy,
>
> Yes, I took a print of David Chappel doc and have read it till
> orchestration. i am also learning from ms course 2157. the reason i got
> confused on adapters was because, in receive location and send ports, we
> have to choose "transport type" whihc essentially means that we are using
> built in adapters. Well, the UI could have used a label like "Adapter"
> instead of "transport type" , if I am not wrong. David's document is
> really very good and I am repeatedly reading sections of it. Is there any
> other good article, resources, ppts, videos whihc I can use. I am actually
 a
> trainer and need to train a batch on Biztalk and hence now spending full
> time on it. Thanks for you help again.
>
> Regards,
>
> "BizTalk Benjamin" <BizTalkBenjamin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:72233BAC-7034-4ACB-A460-75E866E5E6D3@microsoft.com... 
> in 
> own 
> Integration 
> need 
> anywhere 
> that an 
> distinguish 
> at 
> is 
> solution 
> whitepaper 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...43e725bfc27.asp 
> use 
> would 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/e....asp?frame=true 
> are, 
> to 
> a 
> I 
> applications so 
> SAles 
> and 
> be 
> web 
> and 
> the 
>
>
>

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

Hi,
(1) As far as i have observed, The installation/config creates the groups
but not the users. During the config stage you have to assign users for
different services such as HWS, SSO, EDI etc so you need to have the users
created earlier. Also, I have not  found a single authoritative source that
says exactly what permissions are needed for each account so of late i have
taken to creating a single user account with admin privileges on the compute
r
and using it for all the services (This is only for development). In a
previous project, during production deployment, it was all trial and error.
We setup ordinary users and as we got exceptions one by one we raised
different priveleges. It really is a painful process. One thing I do know is
that if you are setting up with BAM then the biztalk user (and i think the
SSO user also) needs to be a member of the OLAP administrators group.

(2) We have created a set of biztalk users on the domain and use them when
setting up Biztalk on individual computers.

(3) No certainly not. You dont need Biztalk on the SQL box, however the
Biztalk users do need access to the SQL box. Again, i dont know exactly what
permissions are needed so i go with DBO on all the databases. Note that if
you are using Biztalk webservices then the isolated host user needs write/db
o
access to the MgmtDB and if you are using impersonation, then the domain use
r
needs the appropriate permissions also.

Hope this helps. Maybe someone else on this group will have more info on the
exact permission settings on the app server and SQL.

Cheers,
benjy




"ClearConcepts" wrote:

> Hi Benjy,
>
> I am trying to install Biztlak 2004 on WIndows 2003 server whihc is not a
> domain controllor
>
> 1. According to the installation guide, I need not create any user account
s
> or groups if Biztalk is going to be installed with all pre requsities on a
> single computer. I understand this but another document says that I have t
o
> create the following a/cs before installation: ESSO, BAMQueryWSuser,
> BSAAppPool., etc... Will these a/cs be automatically added or I need to
> create them manually?
>
> 2. Installing Biztlak on multiple computer means that I need to create use
r
> a/cs manually on each computer??
>
> 3. If Biztlak is in computer A and SQL Server is in Computer B, is it
> necessary that Biztlk has to be imstalled on the SQL computer also? DO i
> need to create user a/cs in SQL computer also?
>
> Regards
> "ClearConcepts" <technical@peoplewareindia.com> wrote in message
> news:eXNf3z7lGHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... 
> a 
> on 
> can 
> box 
> can 
> in 
> you 
> not 
> message 
> in 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...43e725bfc27.asp 
> A 
> use 
> 2004. 
> ends 
> send 
> biztalk 
>
>
>

[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

Hi Benjy,

Thanks for your help yet again. Can we download the webcasts video for
offline viewiing. I tried but cud not.

Regards
AB
"BizTalk Benjamin" <BizTalkBenjamin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:43CE68D7-F8D4-40B3-8758-B80FBE75583D@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> In terms of the UI, yes, i think you're right. It could be easier if they
> simply said Adapter. However Transport Type is still correct since thats
what
> an adapter is - a wrapper over the transport protocol.
>
> The webcasts on MSDN are a great resource. tons of videos. Theres also
some[vbcol=seagreen]
> hands on labs in a hosted virtual labs environment at MSDN which are also
> useful to use.
>
> Benjy
>
> "ClearConcepts" wrote:
> 
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[ Post a follow-up to this message ]

Most of the webcasts can be downloaded and they will email the PPT the next
day (AT least they used to, i dont get the PPTs nowadays) . When you click
the link to watch it will take you to a live meeting page and you can
register for it and then there will be a link to download for offline
viewing.

benjy

"ClearConcepts" wrote:

> Hi Benjy,
>
> Thanks for your help yet again. Can we download the webcasts video for
> offline viewiing. I tried but cud not.
>
> Regards
> AB
> "BizTalk Benjamin" <BizTalkBenjamin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:43CE68D7-F8D4-40B3-8758-B80FBE75583D@microsoft.com... 
> what 
> some 
> using 
> any 
> actually a 
> on 
> can 
> box 
> your 
> can 
> that 
> to 
> possible in 
> you 
> you 
> are 
> default 
> not 
> fields 
> message 
> in 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...43e725bfc27.asp 
> to 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/e....asp?frame=true 
> from A 
> use 
> 2004. 
> a 
> ends 
> will 
> using 
> db 
> send 
> biztalk 
>
>
>

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