Hi list,

I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is building a system
that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast audio&video and 3000 viewers.

Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software requirements?

Thank you.


Best regards,

Peter Wu
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Yes, FMS is well suited as a foundation for this kind of application.

With 3000 users you should consider an origin/edge (=3D proxied)
architecture.=20

Not only because the pro license model may be more expensive with this
amount of users and the bandwidth your friend is going to use, also the
origin/edge architecture is the better choice for live streaming
applications of this size. In addition to this, it is future-proof as it
can easily be extended.

The necessary architecture depends on the quality of the stream you're
planning to broadcast. How much bandwidth does your friend have
available for this?

The system requirements are available on the Adobe web site:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flash...nfo/systemreqs/



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Hi list,

I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is building a system
that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast audio&video and 3000 viewers.

Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software
requirements?

Thank you.


Best regards,

Peter Wu
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Yi-Lei,

All of what you want to do is possible with FMS2. Be sure to set the
client bandwidth limits so that you optimize the BW you use and that
FMS will generate 3000 streams--one for each user. I am sure you know
this, but some people believe that 1 to many apps works like a
broadcast--it doesn't. In fact (even with the contextual meaning of
the term) I wish we'd use another term than "broadcast", like
"streamcast," to better describe the process.

Using the right camera and setMode() goes a long way to cutting down
on your out-stream BW. Test it out on this list at different time to
see what you get.

Bill
On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Yi-Lei Wu wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is building a
> system
> that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast audio&video and 3000 viewers.
>
> Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software
> requirements?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter Wu
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whoops.. Patrick, you forgot the part right after "well suited as a
foundation for this kind of application".

It should say :

"well suited as a foundation for this kind of application if you are loaded
with cash and don't mind paying thousands more than what it would cost to
use other technologies"

FMS would work, but there is no way you would get away with this with less
than 3 servers. First you get an origin server 30,000 dollars, then you get
2 edge servers 15,000 a pop. Now that you have 60,000 USD of software, you
need the servers and then you have to pay for bandwidth.. oh wait a sec...
3000 users did you say? Now that is all going to depend on how much
bandwidth you are going to use because you have to either pay for more
licenses with usage of bandwidth (on top of whatever your provider charges
you) or user count if you want to go the free bw route with FMS licenses. In
that case you get 150 users with unlimited BW.. hmm.. that makes 20 licenses
at 15,000 per server license umm... *opens calc.exe* .... 300,000?

Maybe Adobe would be willing to give you a deal on that though.

The question of the day is "Is Flash video worth that kind of money to you?"

Graeme


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:35 PM
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Subject: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?

Yes, FMS is well suited as a foundation for this kind of application.

With 3000 users you should consider an origin/edge (= proxied) architecture.


Not only because the pro license model may be more expensive with this
amount of users and the bandwidth your friend is going to use, also the
origin/edge architecture is the better choice for live streaming
applications of this size. In addition to this, it is future-proof as it can
easily be extended.

The necessary architecture depends on the quality of the stream you're
planning to broadcast. How much bandwidth does your friend have available
for this?

The system requirements are available on the Adobe web site:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flash...nfo/systemreqs/



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Subject: [FlashComm] video conference for 3000 people?

Hi list,

I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is building a system
that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast audio&video and 3000 viewers.

Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software requirements?

Thank you.


Best regards,

Peter Wu
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Hi Graeme ,

I think you are absolutely correct. You could even build something
simple in short order to load-balance the conference stream yourself for
much cheaper. If it was a push only video-conference, and say that you
had three FMS servers that could theoretically broadcast to 1000
attendees each, you could use an Osprey card with simulstream, or some
other one camera to multiple devices multiplexor and accomplish this
videoconference
on a much cheaper budget. Its a shame that load-balancing costs that
much out of the box.

The key I think is multiplexing the stream at the source level to
multiple FMS servers.
Does it involve a more work? Sure it does, but how much will that extra
work cost compared to an origin-edge license?

Thanks
Ernie

Graeme Bull wrote:
> whoops.. Patrick, you forgot the part right after "well suited as a
> foundation for this kind of application".
>
> It should say :
>
> "well suited as a foundation for this kind of application if you are loade
d
> with cash and don't mind paying thousands more than what it would cost to
> use other technologies"
>
> FMS would work, but there is no way you would get away with this with less
> than 3 servers. First you get an origin server 30,000 dollars, then you ge
t
> 2 edge servers 15,000 a pop. Now that you have 60,000 USD of software, you
> need the servers and then you have to pay for bandwidth.. oh wait a sec...
> 3000 users did you say? Now that is all going to depend on how much
> bandwidth you are going to use because you have to either pay for more
> licenses with usage of bandwidth (on top of whatever your provider charges
> you) or user count if you want to go the free bw route with FMS licenses. 
In
> that case you get 150 users with unlimited BW.. hmm.. that makes 20 licens
es
> at 15,000 per server license umm... *opens calc.exe* .... 300,000?
>
> Maybe Adobe would be willing to give you a deal on that though.
>
> The question of the day is "Is Flash video worth that kind of money to you
?"
>
> Graeme
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Simon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:35 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?
>
> Yes, FMS is well suited as a foundation for this kind of application.
>
> With 3000 users you should consider an origin/edge (= proxied) architectur
e.
>
>
> Not only because the pro license model may be more expensive with this
> amount of users and the bandwidth your friend is going to use, also the
> origin/edge architecture is the better choice for live streaming
> applications of this size. In addition to this, it is future-proof as it c
an
> easily be extended.
>
> The necessary architecture depends on the quality of the stream you're
> planning to broadcast. How much bandwidth does your friend have available
> for this?
>
> The system requirements are available on the Adobe web site:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/flash...nfo/systemreqs/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of Yi-Lei Wu
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:00 AM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: [FlashComm] video conference for 3000 people?
>
> Hi list,
>
> I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is building a system
> that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast audio&video and 3000 viewers.
>
> Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software requirements?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter Wu
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For that kind of money just rent a cable station for an hour and have
everyone turn on thier tv...  

j/k of course.

Jake

On 7/11/06, Ernie Makris <ernie.makris-Wuw85uim5zDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:[vbcol
=seagreen]
>
> Hi Graeme ,
>
> I think you are absolutely correct. You could even build something
> simple in short order to load-balance the conference stream yourself for
> much cheaper. If it was a push only video-conference, and say that you
> had three FMS servers that could theoretically broadcast to 1000
> attendees each, you could use an Osprey card with simulstream, or some
> other one camera to multiple devices multiplexor and accomplish this
> videoconference
> on a much cheaper budget. Its a shame that load-balancing costs that
> much out of the box.
>
> The key I think is multiplexing the stream at the source level to
> multiple FMS servers.
> Does it involve a more work? Sure it does, but how much will that extra
> work cost compared to an origin-edge license?
>
> Thanks
> Ernie
>
> Graeme Bull wrote: 
> loaded 
> to 
> less 
> get 
> you 
> sec... 
> charges 
> licenses. In 
> licenses 
> you?" 
> Simon 
> architecture. 
> can 
> available 
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Graeme's numbers are spot on and show that building the infrastructure
yourself can be hellishly expensive.

This makes a great case for using a CDN, which is what we did when faced
with a very similar scenario.

Consider one broadcast a month to 3000 people at 300kbps for one hour. That
is (3000*300*3600/(8*1000000)) = 405GBytes of transfer. Most CDN's would
give you that at $2.5/GB = $1012 per month. You have no other server,
development(!!) or bandwidth costs.

If you have different numbers then plug them in, but for very high peak
demand, it is often a good idea to avoid Adobe licensing and make use of a
CDN.

Cheers

Will


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org] On Behalf Of Graeme Bull
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:58 AM
To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?

whoops.. Patrick, you forgot the part right after "well suited as a
foundation for this kind of application".

It should say :

"well suited as a foundation for this kind of application if you are loaded
with cash and don't mind paying thousands more than what it would cost to
use other technologies"

FMS would work, but there is no way you would get away with this with less
than 3 servers. First you get an origin server 30,000 dollars, then you get
2 edge servers 15,000 a pop. Now that you have 60,000 USD of software, you
need the servers and then you have to pay for bandwidth.. oh wait a sec...
3000 users did you say? Now that is all going to depend on how much
bandwidth you are going to use because you have to either pay for more
licenses with usage of bandwidth (on top of whatever your provider charges
you) or user count if you want to go the free bw route with FMS licenses. In
that case you get 150 users with unlimited BW.. hmm.. that makes 20 licenses
at 15,000 per server license umm... *opens calc.exe* .... 300,000?

Maybe Adobe would be willing to give you a deal on that though.

The question of the day is "Is Flash video worth that kind of money to you?"

Graeme


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org] On Behalf Of Patrick Simon
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:35 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?

Yes, FMS is well suited as a foundation for this kind of application.

With 3000 users you should consider an origin/edge (= proxied) architecture.


Not only because the pro license model may be more expensive with this
amount of users and the bandwidth your friend is going to use, also the
origin/edge architecture is the better choice for live streaming
applications of this size. In addition to this, it is future-proof as it can
easily be extended.

The necessary architecture depends on the quality of the stream you're
planning to broadcast. How much bandwidth does your friend have available
for this?

The system requirements are available on the Adobe web site:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flash...nfo/systemreqs/



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Subject: [FlashComm] video conference for 3000 people?

Hi list,

I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is building a system
that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast audio&video and 3000 viewers.

Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software requirements?

Thank you.


Best regards,

Peter Wu
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> I think you are absolutely correct. You could even build=20
> something simple in short order to load-balance the=20
> conference stream yourself for much cheaper.<

One of the things that is rarely addressed in these conversations is the
cost of and burden of unicasting 3000 separate streams, many of which
may be using the same gateway to the Internet, which is the case with
many of the large corporate networks with which I'm familiar.

So if the client is J&J, for example, would they be willing to accept
3,000 individual 200k streams into their worldwide network?  That's
600mbps, which would cause congestion problems at multiple points in the
network, even for an entity as bandwidth rich as J&J.  There are many
perils here, hence the value of a multicasting solution like Origin,
where streams are locally replicated. =20


RT




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Hi Will,

A CDN is nice with short periods and high volumes, very correct. However...
CDN's do not allow to use your own built application (uploading your .asc
files, etc.). So this does only work of you are happy with the 'tool' they
deliver to broadcast live streams. Unless CDN's have opened a way of using
your own scripts (which I think is not possible)...

Kind regards,

Mark de Jong
NetMasters BV
www.netmasters.nl / www.flashhosting.nl

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org] On Behalf Of Will Law
Sent: dinsdag 11 juli 2006 18:47
To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?

Graeme's numbers are spot on and show that building the infrastructure
yourself can be hellishly expensive.

This makes a great case for using a CDN, which is what we did when faced
with a very similar scenario.

Consider one broadcast a month to 3000 people at 300kbps for one hour. That
is (3000*300*3600/(8*1000000)) = 405GBytes of transfer. Most CDN's would
give you that at $2.5/GB = $1012 per month. You have no other server,
development(!!) or bandwidth costs.

If you have different numbers then plug them in, but for very high peak
demand, it is often a good idea to avoid Adobe licensing and make use of a
CDN.

Cheers

Will


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org] On Behalf Of Graeme Bull
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:58 AM
To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?

whoops.. Patrick, you forgot the part right after "well suited as a
foundation for this kind of application".

It should say :

"well suited as a foundation for this kind of application if you are loaded
with cash and don't mind paying thousands more than what it would cost to
use other technologies"

FMS would work, but there is no way you would get away with this with less
than 3 servers. First you get an origin server 30,000 dollars, then you get
2 edge servers 15,000 a pop. Now that you have 60,000 USD of software, you
need the servers and then you have to pay for bandwidth.. oh wait a sec...
3000 users did you say? Now that is all going to depend on how much
bandwidth you are going to use because you have to either pay for more
licenses with usage of bandwidth (on top of whatever your provider charges
you) or user count if you want to go the free bw route with FMS licenses. In
that case you get 150 users with unlimited BW.. hmm.. that makes 20 licenses
at 15,000 per server license umm... *opens calc.exe* .... 300,000?

Maybe Adobe would be willing to give you a deal on that though.

The question of the day is "Is Flash video worth that kind of money to you?"

Graeme


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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:35 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?

Yes, FMS is well suited as a foundation for this kind of application.

With 3000 users you should consider an origin/edge (= proxied) architecture.


Not only because the pro license model may be more expensive with this
amount of users and the bandwidth your friend is going to use, also the
origin/edge architecture is the better choice for live streaming
applications of this size. In addition to this, it is future-proof as it can
easily be extended.

The necessary architecture depends on the quality of the stream you're
planning to broadcast. How much bandwidth does your friend have available
for this?

The system requirements are available on the Adobe web site:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flash...nfo/systemreqs/



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Hi list,

I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is building a system
that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast audio&video and 3000 viewers.

Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software requirements?

Thank you.


Best regards,

Peter Wu
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I think he wants just 1 speaker to 3000 users so a CDN should work ok here.

On the flipside, we've deployed a multiway videochat built in Flash and
utilizing FMS and managed to serve close to 1500 users with one Pro license.
To scale we added a second box and a second Pro license.

I guess what I want to say with that is: you can serve a Flash video to 3000
users for less than the figures quoted earlier if you are willing/capable to
build some kind of stream proxying solution yourself. That's how it had to
be done before the edge/origin days.

If I were in your shoes I'd go down the CDN route (and to be honest I think
that's who edge/origin is priced for in the first place), shop around...

Stefan



> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of
> Mark de Jong [NetMasters BV]
> Sent: 11 July 2006 19:12
> To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?
>
> Hi Will,
>
> A CDN is nice with short periods and high volumes, very
> correct. However...
> CDN's do not allow to use your own built application
> (uploading your .asc files, etc.). So this does only work of
> you are happy with the 'tool' they deliver to broadcast live
> streams. Unless CDN's have opened a way of using your own
> scripts (which I think is not possible)...
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mark de Jong
> NetMasters BV
> www.netmasters.nl / www.flashhosting.nl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of Will Law
> Sent: dinsdag 11 juli 2006 18:47
> To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?
>
> Graeme's numbers are spot on and show that building the
> infrastructure yourself can be hellishly expensive.
>
> This makes a great case for using a CDN, which is what we did
> when faced with a very similar scenario.
>
> Consider one broadcast a month to 3000 people at 300kbps for
> one hour. That is (3000*300*3600/(8*1000000)) = 405GBytes of
> transfer. Most CDN's would give you that at $2.5/GB = $1012
> per month. You have no other server,
> development(!!) or bandwidth costs.
>
> If you have different numbers then plug them in, but for very
> high peak demand, it is often a good idea to avoid Adobe
> licensing and make use of a CDN.
>
> Cheers
>
> Will
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of
> Graeme Bull
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:58 AM
> To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?
>
> whoops.. Patrick, you forgot the part right after "well
> suited as a foundation for this kind of application".
>
> It should say :
>
> "well suited as a foundation for this kind of application if
> you are loaded with cash and don't mind paying thousands more
> than what it would cost to use other technologies"
>
> FMS would work, but there is no way you would get away with
> this with less than 3 servers. First you get an origin server
> 30,000 dollars, then you get
> 2 edge servers 15,000 a pop. Now that you have 60,000 USD of
> software, you need the servers and then you have to pay for
> bandwidth.. oh wait a sec...
> 3000 users did you say? Now that is all going to depend on
> how much bandwidth you are going to use because you have to
> either pay for more licenses with usage of bandwidth (on top
> of whatever your provider charges
> you) or user count if you want to go the free bw route with
> FMS licenses. In that case you get 150 users with unlimited
> BW.. hmm.. that makes 20 licenses at 15,000 per server
> license umm... *opens calc.exe* .... 300,000?
>
> Maybe Adobe would be willing to give you a deal on that though.
>
> The question of the day is "Is Flash video worth that kind of
> money to you?"
>
> Graeme
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of
> Patrick Simon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:35 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: [FlashComm] RE: video conference for 3000 people?
>
> Yes, FMS is well suited as a foundation for this kind of application.
>
> With 3000 users you should consider an origin/edge (=
> proxied) architecture.
>
>
> Not only because the pro license model may be more expensive
> with this amount of users and the bandwidth your friend is
> going to use, also the origin/edge architecture is the better
> choice for live streaming applications of this size. In
> addition to this, it is future-proof as it can easily be extended.
>
> The necessary architecture depends on the quality of the
> stream you're planning to broadcast. How much bandwidth does
> your friend have available for this?
>
> The system requirements are available on the Adobe web site:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/flash...nfo/systemreqs/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gman
e.org] On Behalf Of
> Yi-Lei Wu
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:00 AM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: [FlashComm] video conference for 3000 people?
>
> Hi list,
>
> I am asking this question for a friend of mine, who is
> building a system that allows only 1 speaker to broadcast
> audio&video and 3000 viewers.
>
> Is it possible in FMS? If so, what are the hardware/software
> requirements?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter Wu
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