Hi,

a new package cdd (binary packages cdd-dev and cdd-common) is in the
incoming queue and will (hopefully) enter unstable soon.  The documentation
according to this at

http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...ml#s-med_common

was updated.  For the impatient, the sources of the cdd packages are
available via CVS in

http://cvs.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bi...on/?cvsroot=cdd

Moreover I want to say that I'm optimistic that a CDD mailing liste will
be created soon and this kind of information will be moved there.  I plan
to foreward some of the last mails to debian-devel then to get it archived.

Once this is done I'll prepare an offical announcement.

Kind regards

Andreas.


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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:

> I must say that I am very pleased with the work you are doing, and
> that I plan to look more deeply into it and give feedback when I get
> my head above water.  At the moment I am unable to keep up with the
> inflow of email, and all the tasks left for both Debian Edu, NUUG and
> Work, so I just trust you to do the right thing without my input. 
Thanks. ;-)

> I look forward to testing your updated control file generation script
> with debian-edu. 
If I did not introduce many bugs you should be fine by just renaming some
script calls ...

> I also look forward to test the results from the discsussion about how
> to make a live CD. 
I have to admit here that I definitely unable to clone myself and I'm
really hoping for other people to step in here.  I have to focus on things
which I'm abel to manage but I will continue to propagate the *idea* while
hoping to bring the metadistros people into the boat.

Kind regards

Andreas.


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Andreas,

I must say that I am very pleased with the work you are doing, and
that I plan to look more deeply into it and give feedback when I get
my head above water.  At the moment I am unable to keep up with the
inflow of email, and all the tasks left for both Debian Edu, NUUG and
Work, so I just trust you to do the right thing without my input. 

I look forward to testing your updated control file generation script
with debian-edu. 

I also look forward to test the results from the discsussion about how
to make a live CD. 


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>>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:54:54 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen <pere@hungry.c
om> said:

Petter> Andreas, I must say that I am very pleased with the work
Petter> you are doing

Mee too, I'm happy to see that things are moving 

Petter> , and that I plan to look more deeply into it
Petter> and give feedback when I get my head above water.  At the
Petter> moment I am unable to keep up with the inflow of email,
Petter> and all the tasks left for both Debian Edu, NUUG and Work,
Petter> so I just trust you to do the right thing without my
Petter> input. 

I've similar problems  :/.  I've checked out  the CVS tree of  the cdd
project, but I didn't find the time to look inside. I think I'll do it
the next week.

Petter> I look forward to testing your updated control file
Petter> generation script with debian-edu. 


Petter> I also look forward to test the results from the
Petter> discsussion about how to make a live CD. 

Which discussion? I'm really interested on the subject..

Cheers,

Free Ekanayaka


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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:

> I've similar problems  :/.  I've checked out  the CVS tree of  the cdd
> project, but I didn't find the time to look inside. I think I'll do it
> the next week.
Just talk about this to people.  I'm sure we can attract more people
currently beeing outside of Debian if they catch the idea ...

> Which discussion? I'm really interested on the subject..
http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...n.html#s-liveCD

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El Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 09:41:36PM +0200, Andreas Tille escribió:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:
>  
> Just talk about this to people.  I'm sure we can attract more people
> currently beeing outside of Debian if they catch the idea ...
>  
>     http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...n.html#s-liveCD

I'm still very interested in the CDDs and all the work Andreas is
doing, but I've been quite busy lately.
 
I'll try to cach up with the documents and code that is beeing written
and see what I can do to help.
 
By the way, I sent an e-mail to the meta-distros mailing list some time
ago and asked them to enter in the LiveCD disscusion we started, but
the answer from the main project leader was that the objectives of
Metadistros are not similar to the ones of the Debian-Knoppix project
and that they can't be joined for several reasons.
 
In his explanations he said that the main problem is that Debian wants
a Debian tool to make its own LiveCDs but Metadistros wants to give
tools to let anyone create a distribution that can be used as LiveCD
and/or installed and be based in whatever linux distribution the user
wants.

As he sees it, instead of *marrying* them more with Debian their idea
is to separate their code to be independent of any distribution,
letting their system work with any distribution.

Anyway, he said that if they can cooperate in any way they will be
happy to do it.

If anyone wants to read his original e-mail, it is archived here (in
spanish):

https://listas.hispalinux.es/piperm...rch/003728.html

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>>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:41:36 +0200 (CEST), Andreas Tille <tillea@rki.d
e> said:

Andreas> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote: 
Andreas> Just talk about this to people.  I'm sure we can attract
Andreas> more people currently beeing outside of Debian if they
Andreas> catch the idea ...
 
Andreas>
Andreas> http://people.debian.org/~tille/deb...n.html#s-liveCD

Thanks for the link, I  did not read  the the updated version of  your
docs :/, you are working so fast! ;-)

The bottom-up  approach you suggest is  definitively the way to go. Of
course that  the best suited people  to provide the knoppix-* packages
are the  Knoppix team itself.  Are they  already working to  something
like this?

Moreover this confirm my impression that there  are many people around
working independently on similar issues more or less related with what
the CDDs are all  about, but without  knowing each other.  For example
right these    days I  am discussing about    the  Live  CD   with the
AGNULA/DeMuDi team [0], basically ending up to the same conclusions.

Cheers,

Free Ekanayaka

[0] http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/d...rch/005646.html


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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Sergio Talens-Oliag wrote:

>   I'll try to cach up with the documents and code that is beeing written
>   and see what I can do to help.
I have to admit that there isn't any code written yet ... :-(

>   In his explanations he said that the main problem is that Debian wants
>   a Debian tool to make its own LiveCDs but Metadistros wants to give
>   tools to let anyone create a distribution that can be used as LiveCD
>   and/or installed and be based in whatever linux distribution the user
>   wants.
While I completely accept their intention to be independant from a distribut
ion
I see no reason to keep the Debian related part of meta distros inside Debia
n.

>   Anyway, he said that if they can cooperate in any way they will be
>   happy to do it.
Fine.

>   If anyone wants to read his original e-mail, it is archived here (in
>   spanish):
>
>     https://listas.hispalinux.es/piperm...rch/003728.html[/co
lor]
Uhmm, that's not very helpful.  Could anybody give them a hint to support an
international mailing list if they want to work together with the rest of
the world?

Kind regards

Andreas.


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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote:

> The bottom-up  approach you suggest is  definitively the way to go. Of
> course that  the best suited people  to provide the knoppix-* packages
> are the  Knoppix team itself.  Are they  already working to  something
> like this?
When I did a workshop on LinuxTag Karlsruhe last year Klaus Knopper
was present and regarded it as a really cool idea.  He would definitely
support efforts in this direction but he admitted that he does not
feel competent enough regarding Debian packaging and his time scale
does not permit to work in this direction.  Moreover Fabian Franz
(who is busy writing the harddisk installer for Knoppix and some other
Knoppix related stuff) was successful in implementing the bottom-up
approach for PowerPC.  BUt this was more or less a design study and
Fabian told me that he has time constraints to continue working on
this topic.

There were some other people interested and did some stuff which might be
a good start, but all in all it is currently not much more than an idea ...

> Moreover this confirm my impression that there  are many people around
> working independently on similar issues more or less related with what
> the CDDs are all  about, but without  knowing each other.
Definitely!
My main concern is to fix this in the first place.

Kind regards

Andreas.


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>>>>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:46:38 +0200 (CEST), Andreas Tille <tillea@rki.de
> said:

Andreas> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Free Ekanayaka wrote: 
Andreas> When I did a workshop on LinuxTag Karlsruhe last year
Andreas> Klaus Knopper was present and regarded it as a really
Andreas> cool idea.  He would definitely support efforts in this
Andreas> direction but he admitted that he does not feel competent
Andreas> enough regarding Debian packaging and his time scale does
Andreas> not permit to work in this direction.  Moreover Fabian
Andreas> Franz (who is busy writing the harddisk installer for
Andreas> Knoppix and some other Knoppix related stuff) was
Andreas> successful in implementing the bottom-up approach for
Andreas> PowerPC.  BUt this was more or less a design study and
Andreas> Fabian told me that he has time constraints to continue
Andreas> working on this topic.

Andreas> There were some other people interested and did some
Andreas> stuff which might be a good start, but all in all it is
Andreas> currently not much more than an idea ...

We shall start discuss about this both  with the knoppix team and here
on debian-devel.

You already  know Klaus Knopper,  so  it would be   great if you could
write directly to him, reminding the talk you  had and pointing to the
Live CD section of the CDD paper.

Then we see what happens..
 
Andreas> Definitely!  My main concern is to fix this in the first
Andreas> place.

Yes, I agree. Let's keep it on!

Cheers,

Free



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